Kamen Rider Kuuga vs Trafalgar Law

Edit: due of complexity of Emilia have and her cons for being in here, she has been replaced by Trafalgar Law
Edit 2: Damn, so the two are kind of way too much for the tourney, so in the end both are disqualified, but this match still continuing as a regular fight

Let's begin now

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• Ultimate Form Kuuga and Punk Hazard Law are used
• To make it fairer, Kuuga wouldn't use the Dual Rising Titan Sword
• Speed are equalized
• Both are in-characters
• Starting Range: 100 Meters
• Win by anything (K.O and incapacitation)

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THE VOTES

• The Surgeon of Ibuprofen overdose (36.47 Gigatons): 0
• FEAR, PAIN, AAAAAAAAA- (61.49 Gigatons): 0
• Inconclusive: 0

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[shootingrock]

...just the Haki? Not the big glowing sign of Law cutting space as a starting move after setting up Room, which takes a literal gesture?

Elephants in the room: Address us

Me: I'll ignore that

 

[DaReaperMan]

Elephants in the room: Address us

Me: I'll ignore that

Lmfao

But yes, for the record: Precognition isn't necessarily bad, if countering hax was a bad thing Warhammer Fantasy wouldn't even be allowed here, the bad part comes in when you're a veritable haxlord on top of that.

 

[MysticBrawler]

Oh, and, for the record, neither of these ******* are mid hax. They're very clearly high hax, so...

You know I was gonna say that Trafalgar Law would end up stomping the tournament due to his Spatial Manipulation,(coupled with his Precognition and Resistance Negation) but it turns out that among the participants 11 of them might actually stand a chance against him. With that said, while I'm not sure if this 2/3rds of the participants getting stomped would be considered "fair enough" at the very least it doesn't seem like he will completely sweep the tournament

The ones that I think might be capable of handling Law are the following:

• Emilia(an ability that's similar to Law's exists in the Re; Zero verse called the Invisible Blade so she might be capable of dodging it with her Analytical Prediction/Instinctive Action)
• Rai Batenkaitos(same reason as Emilia's)
• Chakax(has resistance to Aethyr Manipulation)
• Spirit of Grungi(same reason as Chakax)
• Lay Grandsley(He has Analytical Prediction so he can probably dodge Law, and I don't think magic and devil fruits can be equalized so Haki's Resistance Negation probably wouldn't work on him, therefore he should have no problem blocking it with his Anti-Magic Barrier)
• Midnight(can probably counter it using his reflect magic)
• Sechs (he is stated to have the same general abilities as Alita, one of which is Precognition and Information Analysis so he might be capable of dodging it.)
• Natsu Dragneel(his Enhanced senses allows him to sense dangerous attacks so he may be capable of dodging Law and the former's Power Nullification can work on Spatial Abilities like Genesis Zero)
• Satoru Gojo( apparently the Summoners War version has Invulnerability, but honestly I have no clue how this would interact with Law's Spatial Manipulation)
• Amiya (Origanum Arts gives the user Extrasensory Perception, Precognition and Instinctive Action so she might be capable of dodging Law's Spatial Cutting)
• Johnny Test (His toon Force coupled with his Time Manipulation gadgets can pretty much counter Law)

With that said, if it turns out that more than half of these can't handle Law then yeah he's probably too much for this tournament.

 

[DaReaperMan]

The ones that I think might be capable of handling Law are the following:

• Emilia(an ability that's similar to Law's exists in the Re; Zero verse called the Invisible Blade so she might be capable of dodging it with her Analytical Prediction/Instinctive Action)

Got booted

• Rai Batenkaitos(same reason as Emilia's)

Doesn't resist things like being teleported, or put in mid air then cut... but this is also OP. Obs haki is common to get ******.

• Chakax(has resistance to Aethyr Manipulation)
• Spirit of Grungi(same reason as Chakax)

Yeah.

• Lay Grandsley(I don't think magic and devil fruits can be equalized so Haki's Resistance Negation probably wouldn't work on him)

He doesn't even ******* resist Spatial Manipulation. What's he gonna do?

• Midnight(can probably counter it using his reflect magic)

He'd need to predict this obvious swordsman is hitting from a distance. And counter every swing after that. it's a stomp.

• Sechs (he is stated to have the same general abilities as Alita, one of which is Precognition and Information Analysis so he might be capable of dodging it.)

Might, key word. He's a major melee brawler, he's ****** against a haxlord. stomp.

• Natsu Dragneel(his Enhanced senses allows him to sense dangerous attacks so he may be capable of dodging Law and the former's Power Nullification can work on Spatial Abilities like Genesis Zero)

Law resists Power Nullification, Natsu isn't nulling him. He also can't get hit once while Law can take the heat.

• Satoru Gojo( apparently the Summoners War version has Invulnerability, but honestly I have no clue how this would interact with Law's Spatial Manipulation)

for a few seconds, then he gets dumpstered.

• Amiya (Origanum Arts gives the user Extrasensory Perception, Precognition and Instinctive Action so she might be capable of dodging Law's Spatial Cutting)

No resistance though. And mind, this is OP, people **** up people with observation Haki regularly.

• Johnny Test (His toon Force coupled with his Time Manipulation gadgets can pretty much counter Law)

Johnny when he can suddenly only move his head. Even hyper-wank Johnny can't win shit here.

With that said, if it turns out that more than half of these can't handle Law then yeah he's probably too much for this tournament.

As someone with some idea on how Law works and how ****** up he is, outside of dedicated anti-hax characters like Chakax and Gotrek, this really isn't gonna work out.

 

[MysticBrawler]

Got booted

Oh right. She's still listed in the main tournament page so I forgot

Doesn't resist things like being teleported, or put in mid air then cut... but this is also OP. Obs haki is common to get ******.

He has his own teleportation ability so I don't think it will be a problem

He doesn't even ******* resist Spatial Manipulation. What's he gonna do?

Lay Grandsley(He has Analytical Prediction so he can probably dodge Law, and I don't think magic and devil fruits can be equalized so Haki's Resistance Negation probably wouldn't work on him, therefore he should have no problem blocking it with his Anti-Magic Barrier)

I edited this in just a few seconds before you responded.

He'd need to predict this obvious swordsman is hitting from a distance. And counter every swing after that. it's a stomp.

He normally starts a fight with his body covered with his Reflect Magic so he doesn't really need to predict anything.

Might, key word. He's a major melee brawler, he's ****** against a haxlord. stomp.

Fair enough, though he does have ranged options so he can probably hit back while dodging.

Law resists Power Nullification, Natsu isn't nulling him. He also can't get hit once while Law can take the heat.

No Law only resists Resistance Negation so I think that Natsu's Power Nullification would work.

for a few seconds, then he gets dumpstered.

For characters that are this fast a few seconds is usually enough to do a lot of damage.

No resistance though. And mind, this is OP, people **** up people with observation Haki regularly.

His Haki is only Intermediate level so his Precognition isn't really Future Sight so I'd say his attacks are very much dodgeable.

Johnny when he can suddenly only move his head. Even hyper-wank Johnny can't win shit here.

People can still move their bodies even if Law cuts their head of so Johnny can easily use his Time Rewind gadget after getting hit.

As someone with some idea on how Law works and how ****** up he is, outside of dedicated anti-hax characters like Chakax and Gotrek, this really isn't gonna work out.

I'd say it very much can as shown above.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Personally, I do not think that Law would ruin the tournament. I more or so think that Kuuga would be the one to ruin everything if he just incinerates peeps from the inside everytime.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Oh right. She's still listed in the main tournament page so I forgot

He has his own teleportation ability so I don't think it will be a problem

It is when Law can outright TP him with a gesture

I edited this in just a few seconds before you responded.

Anti-Magic... so good to know it doesn't work on a Devil Fruit then. Unless you're Warhammer and Magic is "Yes", that don't apply. Devil Fruits are not magic, and never have been.

He normally starts a fight with his body covered with his Reflect Magic so he doesn't really need to predict anything.

He NORMALLY can't do shit if it's on defense, and when a man can just teleport your body through that shit...

Fair enough, though he does have ranged options so he can probably hit back while dodging.

Pretending Law is a 20 IQ moron who doesn't know to teleport objects right back to sender. He does this to people with no Haki to resist it.

No Law only resists Resistance Negation so I think that Natsu's Power Nullification would work.

"I didn't actually READ Law's profile" is all I heard.

It didn't even take me 20 seconds to find it.

For characters that are this fast a few seconds is usually enough to do a lot of damage.

It isn't. Also, this is a few seconds from his perspective.

His Haki is only Intermediate level so his Precognition isn't really Future Sight so I'd say his attacks are very much dodgeable.

You only have to deal with the man who has the skill to say 'no' to precog. Mate. Buddy ol' pal. Precognition is useless when Law just has to swing his sword once and win, and that skill tends to beat precog every time. This is a post-TS One-Piece character. His skill is ******* nuts.

People can still move their bodies even if Law cuts their head of so Johnny can easily use his Time Rewind gadget after getting hit.

And then it's Law's Time Rewind Gadget. He can teleport objects too. He might even do that to begin with. and even then, he can just cut Johnny to slices if he's that worried about it.

I'd say it very much can as shown above.

Let's see...

1. Man with no resistances
2. Man with no resistances
3. Man who only can do anything on defense and gets wrecked the moment he goes offensive, and has no answers to the other tricks in the bag.
4. Man with no resistances
5. Straight up not reading the profile-- Also no resistances
6. No resistances
7. Man with dodgeable tricks and no resistances.

Law REQUIRES good resistances to do anything to him. The ONLY thing holding him back in-verse is that strong enough Haki can neg his bag of tricks and force him to STILL be a pain in the ass to fight because he can also use said bag of tricks on himself! The only reason Kuuga even beats Law is because you can't exactly negate being turned into FIRE with a thought.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Man where is the OP when we need him.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I'll also say, that even ignoring all this, Law is blatantly High Hax. He's still instant winning people from starting distance and doing so casually. That's basically word for word what High Hax is.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Both should be replaced really.

 

[MysticBrawler]

It is when Law can outright TP him with a gesture

Isn't his first move usually Amputate? Also this:

• Instinctive Action (Superior to Julius, who can dodge invisible attacks on instinct. Fights on Garfiel's level are immediate, with no delay between decision making and action,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Rai_Batenkaitos#cite_note-Volume_20,_Chapter_3-16"><span>[</span>16<span>]</span></a> with the slightest delay being exploited by their opponent<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Rai_Batenkaitos#cite_note-Volume_20,_Chapter_3-16"><span>[</span>16<span>]</span></a>)
• Analytical Prediction (Superior to Emilia, who without training was able to dodge a rain of arrows faster than her eyes could track by reading the shooters intent.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Rai_Batenkaitos#cite_note-17"><span>[</span>17<span>]</span></a> At least as skilled as Wilhelm, who can anticipate his opponents attacks<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Rai_Batenkaitos#cite_note-Volume_8,_Chapter_2-14"><span>[</span>14<span>]</span></a> by watching the movement of their eyes, feeling their hostility, and reading how they breathe as they aim)
• Perception Manipulation (At least as skilled as Wilhelm who can slow down his perception of time,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Rai_Batenkaitos#cite_note-18"><span>[</span>18<span>]</span></a> intensifying his focus, making sound, color, and everything other than his opponent fade from the world, giving himself time to avoid attacks)

Anti-Magic... so good to know it doesn't work on a Devil Fruit then. Unless you're Warhammer and Magic is "Yes", that don't apply. Devil Fruits are not magic, and never have been.

BFR, Spatial Manipulation & Time Manipulation & Durability Negation (Anti-magic barriers have been shown to defend against attacks which can tear through time and space<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Lay_Grandsley#cite_note-Light_Novel_Volume_1_Chapter_27-95"><span>[</span>95<span>]</span></a>. Can resist the abilities of Eugo La Raviaz who can accelerate, rewind and stop time with anti-magic. Capable of resisting the abilities of Aeges Code's spear, Dehiddatem as the spears strongest Hidden Arts ignore anti-magic entirely as opposed to overpowering or breaking through it<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Lay_Grandsley#cite_note-Light_Novel_Volume_8_Chapter_22-96"><span>[</span>96<span>]</span></a>)

He NORMALLY can't do shit if it's on defense, and when a man can just teleport your body through that shit...

The one being used here is X791 Midnight who has both Reflecto Magic and Magic Darkness so I'd say he can much keep his Reflector Magic in his body and attack using Magic Darkness. Also I don't see how Law's teleportation could remove Midnight's Reflector Magic since it's not a physical cover. Though admittedly I'm not sure if he can use both at the same time.

Pretending Law is a 20 IQ moron who doesn't know to teleport objects right back to sender. He does this to people with no Haki to resist it.

Fair enough

"I didn't actually READ Law's profile" is all I heard.

It didn't even take me 20 seconds to find it.

Oh yeah the Sea prism stone thing. I was only looking at the Haki page so I forgot about that. Also that Limited Power Nullification so I'm not sure if that's comparable.

It isn't. Also, this is a few seconds from his perspective.

Fair enough

You only have to deal with the man who has the skill to say 'no' to precog. Mate. Buddy ol' pal. Precognition is useless when Law just has to swing his sword once and win, and that skill tends to beat precog every time. This is a post-TS One-Piece character. His skill is ******* nuts

Intermediate Observation Haki is all that's needed to deal with Law's Observation Haki and dodge his Amputate as evidenced by his fight with Smoker and Amiya's own Precognition seems to be comparable to Intermediate Observation Haki.

.And then it's Law's Time Rewind Gadget. He can teleport objects too. He might even do that to begin with. and even then, he can just cut Johnny to slices if he's that worried about it.

He does also have these: Bionic arm (Increased Johnny's power and reaction speed by 3000%), Supernatural Luck with good luck charm (He has a goodluck charm that gives him very good luck). Also how would he even know to do that without prior knowledge?

 

[MysticBrawler]

Isn't his first move usually Amputate? Also this:

• Instinctive Action (Superior to Julius, who can dodge invisible attacks on instinct. Fights on Garfiel's level are immediate, with no delay between decision making and action,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Rai_Batenkaitos#cite_note-Volume_20,_Chapter_3-16"><span>[</span>16<span>]</span></a> with the slightest delay being exploited by their opponent<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Rai_Batenkaitos#cite_note-Volume_20,_Chapter_3-16"><span>[</span>16<span>]</span></a>)
• Analytical Prediction (Superior to Emilia, who without training was able to dodge a rain of arrows faster than her eyes could track by reading the shooters intent.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Rai_Batenkaitos#cite_note-17"><span>[</span>17<span>]</span></a> At least as skilled as Wilhelm, who can anticipate his opponents attacks<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Rai_Batenkaitos#cite_note-Volume_8,_Chapter_2-14"><span>[</span>14<span>]</span></a> by watching the movement of their eyes, feeling their hostility, and reading how they breathe as they aim)
• Perception Manipulation (At least as skilled as Wilhelm who can slow down his perception of time,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Rai_Batenkaitos#cite_note-18"><span>[</span>18<span>]</span></a> intensifying his focus, making sound, color, and everything other than his opponent fade from the world, giving himself time to avoid attacks)

BFR, Spatial Manipulation & Time Manipulation & Durability Negation (Anti-magic barriers have been shown to defend against attacks which can tear through time and space<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Lay_Grandsley#cite_note-Light_Novel_Volume_1_Chapter_27-95"><span>[</span>95<span>]</span></a>. Can resist the abilities of Eugo La Raviaz who can accelerate, rewind and stop time with anti-magic. Capable of resisting the abilities of Aeges Code's spear, Dehiddatem as the spears strongest Hidden Arts ignore anti-magic entirely as opposed to overpowering or breaking through it<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Lay_Grandsley#cite_note-Light_Novel_Volume_8_Chapter_22-96"><span>[</span>96<span>]</span></a>)

The one being used here is X791 Midnight who has both Reflecto Magic and Magic Darkness so I'd say he can much keep his Reflector Magic in his body and attack using Magic Darkness. Also I don't see how Law's teleportation could remove Midnight's Reflector Magic since it's not a physical cover. Though admittedly I'm not sure if he can use both at the same time.

Fair enough

Oh yeah the Sea prism stone thing. I was only looking at the Haki page so I forgot about that. Also that Limited Power Nullification so I'm not sure if that's comparable.

Fair enough

Intermediate Observation Haki is all that's needed to deal with Law's Observation Haki and dodge his Amputate as evidenced by his fight with Smoker and Amiya's own Precognition seems to be comparable to Intermediate Observation Haki.

He does also have these: Bionic arm (Increased Johnny's power and reaction speed by 3000%), Supernatural Luck with good luck charm (He has a goodluck charm that gives him very good luck). Also how would he even know to do that without prior knowledge?

Anyway it seems that a lot of the one's that I thought could handle Law actually can't actually do so. So I guess he really is too much for this tournament.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Isn't his first move usually Amputate?

Yes, but it's also not the only thing he does, he dodges, counters, uses all of his other hax, etcetera. Law is not a dumbass who only uses half his kit, or just stands there and takes an attack.

BFR, Spatial Manipulation & Time Manipulation & Durability Negation (Anti-magic barriers have been shown to defend against attacks which can tear through time and space<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Lay_Grandsley#cite_note-Light_Novel_Volume_1_Chapter_27-95"><span>[</span>95<span>]</span></a>. Can resist the abilities of Eugo La Raviaz who can accelerate, rewind and stop time with anti-magic. Capable of resisting the abilities of Aeges Code's spear, Dehiddatem as the spears strongest Hidden Arts ignore anti-magic entirely as opposed to overpowering or breaking through it<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Lay_Grandsley#cite_note-Light_Novel_Volume_8_Chapter_22-96"><span>[</span>96<span>]</span></a>)

Which is magic. DFs are not magic. He does not resist anything.

The one being used here is X791 Midnight who has both Reflecto Magic and Magic Darkness so I'd say he can much keep his Reflector Magic in his body and attack using Magic Darkness. Also I don't see how Law's teleportation could remove Midnight's Reflector Magic since it's not a physical cover.

He's removing Midnight from the Reflector Magic not the other way around.

Oh yeah the Sea prism stone thing. I was only looking at the Haki page so I forgot about that. Also that Limited Power Nullification so I'm not sure if that's comparable.

Frankly it should be full resistance but still

Intermediate Observation Haki is all that's needed to deal with Law's Observation Haki and dodge his Amputate as evidenced by his fight with Smoker and Amiya's own Precognition seems to be comparable to Intermediate Observation Haki.

Smoker, you mean a fellow skill merchant? Because he's a post-TS character?

He does also have these: Bionic arm (Increased Johnny's power and reaction speed by 3000%), Supernatural Luck with good luck charm (He has a goodluck charm that gives him very good luck). Also how would he even know to do that without prior knowledge?

He doesn't, but stealing shit from his opponents is absolutely something Law does.

Regardless, I stand by what I said.

I'll also say, that even ignoring all this, Law is blatantly High Hax. He's still instant winning people from starting distance and doing so casually. That's basically word for word what High Hax is.

Law is above the hax level for the tournament.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

.... I just came back from fgo finale and reading a horror threads a few days ago, what's going on? 0.o

 

[DaReaperMan]

.... I just came back from fgo finale and reading a horror threads a few days ago, what's going on? 0.o

Basically, both of these ******* are high hax and gotta go as far as the tournament goes

 

[Tatsumi504]

Which is magic. DFs are not magic. He does not resist anything.

Doesn't work that way, anti-magic isn't restricted to only working on magic otherwise a resistance to every ability in the verse will be there. It gives resistance to specific things as seen on the page.
On the other hand, isn't this also the same as saying haki only works on devil fruits then?

 

[shootingrock]

.... I just came back from fgo finale and reading a horror threads a few days ago, what's going on? 0.o

Kuuga's plasma/matter manip + planetary range and Law's spatial manip too OP for tournament. Both are very potent haxes --- Reaper also made a bunch of posts that proved how Law basically outhax'd a majority of everyone in the tourney and Kuuga the guy who has an advantage against him with just as high potent hax.

Some of us advocate in removing these guys entirely from the tourney but it kinda up to you (headache incoming, wish you luck). Match up could probably be kept for records if it goes through, but other than that, rehashing what Reaper said.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Whoever wins here is also valid, but just not for the tournament.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Oh now I see why..... Hmmm

Yeah I can disqualified both Law and Godai after I saw the arguments in previous pages, but this thread? It will continue but not as a tourney match but a regular match

As for the replacement for Law and Godai, we can talk about it on the main thread later