JJK AP and Minor Speed Upgrade CRT

[Buraqibear]

Main AP Upgrades​

This calculation has been accepted and in this CGM Discussion thread, agreed upon to be used over the currently used one. This was performed by Uraume, and according to the statement of Ryu boasting the highest CE Output among all Culling Game Players, with Uraume being a reincarnated Sorcerer and by default, a player in the Culling Game, which would make Ryu scale above Uraume's Ice Block in AP, with Yuta and the other high tiers chain scaling off from Ryu. This is also an established scaling point in Ryu's page. So this warrants that the High Tiers would scale to 382.57 Kilotons of TNT or Large Town level in base AP with the God Tiers upscaling to 550 Kilotons of TNT or Large Town level+ from being marginally above the rest of the verse.

God Tiers AP Upgrades​

This calc of Sukuna's Divine Flame has also been accepted, it follows the manga's direct explanation of how the ability works so it'd naturally be more accurate than the currently used one, the AP varies depending on the location Sukuna's Domain is used, otherwise it gets 15F Sukuna's Divine Flame to 9.88 Megatons of TNT and at full power to 20.153 Megatons of TNT, both being 7-B.

Present Gojo's Hollow Purple would scale to 9.88 Megatons of TNT since he could destroy Mahoraga's wheel with Purple, which 15 finger Sukuna's 9.88 Megaton Divine Flame couldn't do.

No, Hollow Purple wouldn't scale to the 20 megaton end because we never saw what a max power Divine Flame would've done to Mahoraga's wheel. This wouldn't scale to their physicals either.

God Tiers Speed Upgrade​

Simple enough, this calc gets Present Key Gojo to Mach 57.3125 or High Hypersonic+, this would scale to all God Tiers, it'd upgrade the combat speeds of the characters who scale to Present Key Gojo to High Hypersonic+

Agrees: @Mommyleona , @ElJoaki5 , @Anonymous_Learner , @DragonZeroNova , @AyOgUyS , @Apotheosis69 , @Lort15 , @Rogue_Forge , @TheOrangeGuy09 ,
Mod Votes: @Duedate8898 , @Godernet (Agree with everything but the speed upgrade) @KingTempest (Agree with everything but the speed upgrade)

 

[Mommyleona]

I agree with everything

 

[ElJoaki5]

Main AP Upgrades​

This calculation has been accepted and in this CGM Discussion thread, agreed upon to be used over the currently used one. This was performed by Uraume, and according to the statement of Ryu boasting the highest CE Output among all Culling Game Players, with Uraume being a reincarnated Sorcerer and by default, a player in the Culling Game, which would make Ryu scale above Uraume's Ice Block in AP, with Yuta and the other high tiers chain scaling off from Ryu. This is also an established scaling point in Ryu's page. So this warrants that the High Tiers would scale to 382.57 Kilotons of TNT or Large Town level in base AP with the God Tiers upscaling to 550 Kilotons of TNT or Large Town level+ from being marginally above the rest of the verse.

Skibidi agree, dunno about upscaling tho (Luckily in the future well get a god tier upgrade via LifeOfKings multpliers)

which 15 finger Sukuna's 9.88 Megaton Divine Flame couldn't do.

Ik this is true but you should add a scan dawg

God Tiers Speed Upgrade​

Simple enough, this calc gets Present Key Gojo to Mach 11.416 or Hypersonic+, this would scale to all God Tiers, it'd upgrade the combat speeds of the characters who scale to Present Key Gojo to Hypersonic+

Looks sigma, agree.

Neutral on god tiers ap ig

 

[Buraqibear]

Skibidi agree


Ik this is true but you should add a scan dawg

I thought I did

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

easy agree

 

[DragoZeroNova]

The only real issue is the upscaling. That's roughly a 1.4377x difference, which might be too high for pure upscaling.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

That's roughly a 1.4377x difference, which might be too high for pure upscaling.

Upscaling is accepted as long as it's under 1.5x

Gojo and Sukuna are leagues above everyone else to the point that it's not even funny.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Upscaling is accepted as long as it's under 1.5x

Gojo and Sukuna are leagues above everyone else to the point that it's not even funny.

oh really?
Then we're good. Nice

 

[AyOgUyS]

Ez agree

 

[Kaydee1648]

oh really?
Then we're good. Nice

nah, it’s anything below 1.2x
there’s no hard rule on it tho

 

[Duedate8898]

This all looks good to me

 

[Apotheosis69]

EZ agree with everything. Hopefully the Domain/Black Flash amp CRT can be accepted as well.

Thing is, what would High Tiers be considered. All reg Special Grade Sorcerers, or Shinjuku Showdown Heavy Hitters and higher.

 

[Buraqibear]

Thing is, what would High Tiers be considered. All reg Special Grade Sorcerers, or Shinjuku Showdown Heavy Hitters and higher.

Ryu and anyone who scales to him (essentially everyone who is 7C right now)

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

With my CRT accepted, Yuta and the heavy hitters would have to downscale from Ryu's value by 1.2x since he was still stronger than Yuta even within his own domain

 

[Apotheosis69]

With my CRT accepted, Yuta and the heavy hitters would have to downscale from Ryu's value by 1.2x since he was still stronger than Yuta even within his own domain

All except for Yuji though (for physicals) right?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

With my CRT accepted, Yuta and the heavy hitters would have to downscale from Ryu's value by 1.2x since he was still stronger than Yuta even within his own domain

What about Kashimo in MBA? Given the way that buff is described I'd assume its a bigger amp than the 20% increase of a Domain Expansion.

 

[Buraqibear]

With my CRT accepted, Yuta and the heavy hitters would have to downscale from Ryu's value by 1.2x since he was still stronger than Yuta even within his own domain

Are we...sure? Since Ryu himself is already upscaling from the Uraume calc and it wasn't a maximum output or smt

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Nvm guys, this shit is too complex. Lets apply it later

 

[Apotheosis69]

Nvm guys, this shit is too complex. Lets apply it later

We likely should talk it out in the General Discussion no?

 

[Buraqibear]

We likely should talk it out in the General Discussion no?

Yeah, I think as a change, it should be cleared up in another CRT. It'll just messy this one up if we yap about it midway through this

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

We likely should talk it out in the General Discussion no?

yeah, this definitely seems like something worthwhile dicussing

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Upscaling is accepted as long as it's under 1.5x

Those are old standards, now we don't allow upscaling to the next tier if they're not within 1.1-1.2x of the next tier.

 

[Lort15]

Seems fine

 

[Lilybitdun]

I swear I remember suggesting making this a staff thread but whatevz

I feel like should've waited for the domain amp thread to conclude so it could be factored into the scaling here but the proposals look good

 

[Qurbonboev]

So this warrants that the High Tiers would scale to 382.57 Kilotons of TNT or Large Town level in base AP with the God Tiers upscaling to 550 Kilotons of TNT or Large Town level+ from being marginally above the rest of the verse.

Domain amp and black flash multipliers(x2.5) are accepted. We could scale Sukuna that fought anti Sukuna squad to BF amped High tiers, aka 957 kt. And further upscale(only by 5%) full power Sukuna and Gojo from that level, to make them baseline small City

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Domain amp and black flash multipliers(x2.5) are accepted. We could scale Sukuna that fought anti Sukuna squad to BF amped High tiers, aka 957 kt. And further upscale(only by 5%) full power Sukuna and Gojo from that level, to make them baseline small City

It'd also be consistent with Sukuna surviving the Hollow Purple that destroyed Mahoraga's wheel.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Domain amp and black flash multipliers(x2.5) are accepted. We could scale Sukuna that fought anti Sukuna squad to BF amped High tiers, aka 957 kt. And further upscale(only by 5%) full power Sukuna and Gojo from that level, to make them baseline small City

I agree, op should add this since they wouldn't be able to upscale to Large town level+

 

[Buraqibear]

Later, you guys, we'll address the other stuff later

 

[Damage3245]

Simple enough, this calc gets Present Key Gojo to Mach 11.416 or Hypersonic+, this would scale to all God Tiers, it'd upgrade the combat speeds of the characters who scale to Present Key Gojo to Hypersonic+

This should be Gojo's speed with Limitless, no? He clapsed his hands together before he started his movement suggesting it's his Cursed Technique activating here and not just raw movement speed on his part.

 

[Apotheosis69]

This should be Gojo's speed with Limitless, no? He clapsed his hands together before he started his movement suggesting it's his Cursed Technique activating here and not just raw movement speed on his part.

No, he only clasped his hands to teleport out of the way of the Cursed Spirits' attack.

 

[ElJoaki5]

This should be Gojo's speed with Limitless, no? He clapsed his hands together before he started his movement suggesting it's his Cursed Technique activating here and not just raw movement speed on his part.

Isnt that just him using teleportation before that?

 

[Damage3245]

Perhaps I've misunderstood which part is being calculated. I'll take another look at the feat.

 

[Buraqibear]

This should be Gojo's speed with Limitless, no? He clapsed his hands together before he started his movement suggesting it's his Cursed Technique activating here and not just raw movement speed on his part.

I believe you misunderstood the calc (I did too before i calc'd it) the part calc'd is when he flies down the building after the curse has crashed down and is frozen midair

 

[Damage3245]

I believe you misunderstood the calc (I did too before i calc'd it) the part calc'd is when he flies down the building after the curse has crashed down and is frozen midair

Yep. I see the feat now.


I still think there's an issue present however.

Initially the curse is falling and it is grinding down the side of the building as we can tell by the dust and debris that is kicking up as it is falling down, so the curse isn't in a total freefall due to friction between it and the surface it is grinding against. But more importantly after the curse is falling down nearly vertically, it then rebounds from the building and it is moving downwards noticeably slower than it did before as some of its momentum is going to the side as seen here.

The calc is treating it as if the curse was free-falling down 17.0688 meters, and was still at its peak speed when Gojo moved towards it.

 

[ElJoaki5]

Yep. I see the feat now.


I still think there's an issue present however.

Initially the curse is falling and it is grinding down the side of the building as we can tell by the dust and debris that is kicking up as it is falling down, so the curse isn't in a total freefall due to friction between it and the surface it is grinding against. But more importantly after the curse is falling down nearly vertically, it then rebounds from the building and it is moving downwards noticeably slower than it did before as some of its momentum is going to the side as seen here.

The calc is treating it as if the curse was free-falling down 17.0688 meters, and was still at its peak speed when Gojo moved towards it.

you got a point

What do you think about the method for the fuga calc? It valid?

 

[Buraqibear]

Initially the curse is falling and it is grinding down the side of the building as we can tell by the dust and debris that is kicking up as it is falling down, so the curse isn't in a total freefall due to friction between it and the surface it is grinding against. But more importantly after the curse is falling down nearly vertically, it then rebounds from the building and it is moving downwards noticeably slower than it did before as some of its momentum is going to the side as seen here.

The calc is treating it as if the curse was free-falling down 17.0688 meters, and was still at its peak speed when Gojo moved towards it.

Any way to work around it? A solution?

 

[ElJoaki5]

Any way to work around it? A solution?

Find the speed on the rebound

 

[Godernet]

I'll wait on the revision of the Gojo calc to comment on that, but everything else is fine.

 

[Rogue_Forge]

Bump

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I agree with everything except the calc which is being revised