We should just have separate verse pages for DC Reboots

[The_Impress]

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[Antvasima]

Thank you greatly for your help.

However, after the Death Metal event, the three main iterations of DC Comics continuity were merged together, as detailed in Mark Waid's "History of the DC Universe" series, with Superman in particular massively powered-up as a result. That likely requires yet another verse page, if we know what to call it.

 

[The_Impress]

Meh, Death Metal wasn't linewide and the characters are still recognised as "Prime Earth Versions" by most sources, even DC Wiki. So unless they start being recognised separately linewide, we should avoid making new verse pages.

What can be explained by keys should be explained by keys.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, the histories were definitely merged together, and Superman was definitely powered up in any case.

 

[The_Impress]

Ye so key it.

Anyways this can prolly be closed for now

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you to everybody who helped out here.

 

[Antvasima]

Or on second thought, please wait a bit.

I at least do not think that we should mix together the post-Flashpoint continuity with the combined post-Rebirth and post-Death Metal one, as the second version has considerably more in common with the post-Crisis continuity than the abomination that Dan Didiot forcibly imposed on the world.

I would greatly appreciate if you or somebody else here are willing to create another verse page to separate them. Thank you.

 

[The_Impress]

I have other projects to finish up, so

 

[Antvasima]

Or on second thought, please wait a bit.

I at least do not think that we should mix together the post-Flashpoint continuity with the combined post-Rebirth and post-Death Metal one, as the second version has considerably more in common with the post-Crisis continuity than the abomination that Dan Didiot forcibly imposed on the world.

I would greatly appreciate if you or somebody else here are willing to create another verse page to separate them. Thank you.

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[Antvasima]

I have other projects to finish up, so

Well, this is very important.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Thank you greatly for your help.

However, after the Death Metal event, the three main iterations of DC Comics continuity were merged together, as detailed in Mark Waid's "History of the DC Universe" series, with Superman in particular massively powered-up as a result. That likely requires yet another verse page, if we know what to call it.

Yes, I agree.
Not only Clark, other Heroes like Wally West were incredibly buffed too, and the events are really different now.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, but it seems like Impress is unwilling to help us publicly acknowledge that extreme distinction, and it is very important to do so.

Is somebody else willing to handle it, by copying the structure from our other DC Comics verse pages, please?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Or on second thought, please wait a bit.

I at least do not think that we should mix together the post-Flashpoint continuity with the combined post-Rebirth and post-Death Metal one, as the second version has considerably more in common with the post-Crisis continuity than the abomination that Dan Didiot forcibly imposed on the world.

I would greatly appreciate if you or somebody else here are willing to create another verse page to separate them. Thank you.

Seems reasonable yes.

 

[ObberGobb]

New 52 should be separate I think. As you mentioned, current continuity is a mixture of Pre-Crisis, Post-Crisis, and New 52. That is completely different than the original New 52 Prime Earth. Like this is a much bigger change than Zero Hour or Infinite Crisis affecting the continuity of New Earth.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes. Strongly agreed. Would you be willing and able to handle creating a verse page for the current DC Comics continuity please?

 

[ObberGobb]

Yes. Strongly agreed. Would you be willing and able to handle creating a verse page for the current DC Comics continuity please?

Sorry, I don't have the time rn. I'm going on a trip in just a few hours

 

[Lloydblitzed]

There's no that much Rebirth profiles. I don't see why splitting it from New 52 is a need if keys likely does it already

 

[Antvasima]

Sorry, I don't have the time rn. I'm going on a trip in just a few hours

Okay. That is very unfortunate.

Is anybody else here willing to handle it please?

There's no that much Rebirth profiles. I don't see why splitting it from New 52 is a need if keys likely does it already

We need to do so due to very different scaling and continuity.

 

[Dark-Carioca]

It seems like Imp-press has been working on this. I've provided some help by suggesting them some pics for the verse (I was not aware that this was something being dicussed here).

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, but we need somebody to create an extra verse page for the current continuity.

 

[Dark-Carioca]

For the Rebirth continuity? Or is there yet another new one? xD

I figured it'd be fine to leave it all as the Prime Earth, since the current DC comics still take place there, no? (even if some characters' histories have been altered significantly or had their new and old histories merged)

 

[Antvasima]

The Rebirth continuity was a merger of the Post-Crisis and Post-Flashpoint continuities. However, after the Death Metal event, it mostly turned into a mixture of Post-Crisis and Pre-Crisis continuity with minor elements of Post-Flashpoint remaining. As such it would be highly misleading for us to publicly claim that the Post-Flashpoint continuity has still completely wiped out the other ones.

 

[ObberGobb]

Where do you think the split between New 52 and current should be? The merging started with Rebirth but took all the way until Infinite Frontier to finish.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that we can call it either "Post-Death Metal", "Post Infinite Frontier", "Post-Dark Crisis", or "Dawn of DC", depending on where exactly that the finished new continuity was established.

Dark Crisis - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Dawn of DC - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[The_Impress]

ant lowkey this is insane amounts of work that requires its own thread lol

 

[Dark-Carioca]

Hmm, it's kinda tricky... I wanna say Dawn of DC but I'm not sure.

 

[Antvasima]

ant lowkey this is insane amounts of work that requires its own thread lol

The split was handled here and left incomplete, and I don't have the time to organise a new revision thread, so we should continue here.

 

[Antvasima]

I would still greatly appreciate help here.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

I would still greatly appreciate help here.

Would all the new verse pages still link to the same cosmology page and other explanation pages? Like for Pre-Crisis, would new explanation pages be needed because some abilities weren't introduced until later reboots?

 

[Antvasima]

Would all the new verse pages still link to the same cosmology page and other explanation pages? Like for Pre-Crisis, would new explanation pages be needed because some abilities weren't introduced until later reboots?

That is probably a good question.

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What do you think about this?

 

[Antvasima]

Bump.

This is very important.

 

[KirbyFan03]

New 52 should be separate I think. As you mentioned, current continuity is a mixture of Pre-Crisis, Post-Crisis, and New 52. That is completely different than the original New 52 Prime Earth. Like this is a much bigger change than Zero Hour or Infinite Crisis affecting the continuity of New Earth.

Iirc The New 52 was an alternate timeline absorbed into the current universe

 

[KirbyFan03]

Iirc The New 52 was an alternate timeline absorbed into the current universe

Seems like I can't use the link feature here. Just check out DC KO #1

 

[KirbyFan03]

Personally I think the new 52 and rebirth keys should be merged into one when we do the dawn of DC stuff imo as pre Crisis and post Crisis stuff do have their own distinctions that won't make sense for a full comp

 

[Antvasima]

New 52 fits even worse with the current continuity, which is currently mostly Post-Crisis and partially Pre-Crisis.

 

[Ozcantabak]

New 52 fits even worse with the current continuity, which is currently mostly Post-Crisis and partially Pre-Crisis.

Well, in DC K.O. issue 1 the new 52 was directly stated to be reabsorebed by the Post-Crisis timeline.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, which is verified in "History of the DC Universe", but the current characters seem to function mostly like their late post-Crisis versions, but with histories stretching to pre-Crisis.

 

[KirbyFan03]

New 52 fits even worse with the current continuity, which is currently mostly Post-Crisis and partially Pre-Crisis.

It's a mish-mash of Pre Crisis, Post Crisis, New 52 and rebirth that makes up current, continuity has never been DCs strength XD

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Well, in DC K.O. issue 1 the new 52 was directly stated to be reabsorebed by the Post-Crisis timeline.

I also think there isn't much Rebirth profiles on the wiki to be worth making a whole new page out of it, with loads of them being already split in keys on profiles for a character

 

[The_Impress]

The split was handled here and left incomplete, and I don't have the time to organise a new revision thread, so we should continue here.

No, this is a terrible way to do threads lmao. The OP has zilch to do with what you're proposing