6-C Tournament Revival: Science Fantasy Clashes Round 1 Match 4 (Paramount's Sonic the Hedgehog vs Vergo) (4-6-0)

[Shadowslash125]

4th match. You know the drill by now.

In the RPG stat archetypes, there's a guy that specs everything around speed, and another guy around strength. This is what happens if these bozos fought each other.
Can this blue hedgehog run hoops around some guy that flexes his muscles with Haki? We're here to settle this.

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• Movie 1 Sonic The Hedgehog is used
• Speed is equalized
• Both are in-characters
• Starting Range: 50 to 100 meters (Kisaragi, pls decide on an exact value)
• Battlefield take in Ilha da Queimada Grande
• Win via anything (K.O, Incapacitation, and death)

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THE VOTES

• This guy's design became better because the collective internet bullied the production (31.2 GTs): @Arkansalter2 @LukeChaosBlobz @Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh @McFriesGuy075
• Liver King (37.67 GTs): @Kachon123 @Lynieryz, @Eseseso, @Nonynho, @Greatsage13th, @DailyFairy
• Inconclusive: 0

 

[Arkansalter2]

100M C heat + Sonic is an absolute speed merchant who LOVES to use it in combat, even in the first movie.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Come (I know Arkan's already here but)

Sonic the Hedgehog (Paramount)

Sonic the Hedgehog is the main protagonist of the live action Sonic cinematic universe distributed by Paramount Pictures. He is an anthropomorphic blue hedgehog who lived in Green Hill Zone as a child under the guidance of Longclaw, but eventually had to leave due to the Echidnas hunting him...

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31.2 Gigatons.

If that doesn't work, I'll submit Vergo (37.67 Gigatons).

 

[Kachon123]

100M C heat + Sonic is an absolute speed merchant who LOVES to use it in combat, even in the first movie.

Vergo has better speed amps than Sonic with spammed Soru since speed is equalized. He is also a Haki master. Vergo's Kenbun would give him glimpses into the future of Sonic's lightning blasts to dodge with reaction amps so potent that it makes enemies to be perceived in slow motion. He's also experienced and calm-headed enough to come up with a counter in a split second, like using his Demon Bamboo technique to create a shockwave strong enough to overpower it by swinging his weapon or exploding through it with his bamboo projectiles.

 

[LukeChaosBlobz]

Can Sonic go for a BFR via Rings like he did to Eggman?

 

[Kachon123]

Can Sonic go for a BFR via Rings like he did to Eggman?

Not really with Vergo's Geppo flight and Kenbun precog

 

[Arkansalter2]

Vergo has better speed amps than Sonic with spammed Soru since speed is equalized.

His speed can increase as chaos energy increases so he shouldn't be super far behind.

He is also a Haki master.

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He's also experienced and calm-headed enough to come up with a counter in a split second, like using his Demon Bamboo technique to create a shockwave strong enough to overpower it by swinging his weapon or exploding through it with his bamboo projectiles.

Easily dodged without looking.

 

[Kachon123]

His speed can increase as chaos energy increases so he shouldn't be super far behind.

Maybe after a bit of running to charge, but even with that, it's Kenbun's precog and reaction speed amps that makes the difference.

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Haki (Kenbunshoku, Intermediate Busoshoku)

Easily dodged without looking.

Not in speed equalization. Also not when he's using precog to place attacks where Sonic will be in the future.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Yeah unfortunately, I don't really see an answer for Sonic's 100M C baked chickenizer known as chaos energy. The moment sonic gets close or does remotely anything overpowering, Vergo is fried... literally.

 

[Greatsage13th]

I'll vote Sonic due to heat.

 

[LukeChaosBlobz]

Sonic got my vote due to Chaos Energy’s speed amps and high temperature

 

[Kachon123]

Yeah unfortunately, I don't really see an answer for Sonic's 100M C baked chickenizer known as chaos energy. The moment sonic gets close or does remotely anything overpowering, Vergo is fried... literally.

Is there any proof that sonic would even be able to land chaos energy attacks on someone much faster than he is, much more skilled and experienced that he is, and someone who has the ability to see into the future?

Vergo is literally able to one shot people of his value with his regular strikes. He can amp his value with Armament (one shot amp) and even further (another one shot amp) with full body Armament, so he's not getting overpowered at all. Every single one of his attacks generate massive shockwaves so he has answers to Sonic's ranged attacks. He also uses a weapon coated in Haki so it will never be his own body coming into contact with Sonic.

Vergo also uses Rokushiki, which has instant win assassin techniques like Shigan, where is sonic is hit even once, he'll bleed out in under a minute.


Sonic's wincon is to somehow get enough continuous attacks (given heat transfer) to melt Vergo, meanwhile Vergo is a Haki master where even beginner Haki users have reputations of being complete untouchable to people relative to them, just because of their precog.

I'll vote Vergo low to mid diff.

 

[Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh]

Sonic FRA

 

[Arkansalter2]

Is there any proof that sonic would even be able to land chaos energy attacks on someone much faster than he is

HE EMITS IT.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Deadass, Shadow's chaos energy (which is the same temperature) literally vaped a guy.

 

[McFriesGuy075]

Movie Sonic FRA due to his Rizz Energy. Even if the speed of said thing was an issue, isn't Chaos Energy an UES? It should be tied to the speed of the user.

The 1.2x gap in AP should buy Sonic enough time to eventually catch up with the speed amp of the opponent.

 

[Kachon123]

HE EMITS IT.

Show Movie 1 Sonic emitting it as a field around him as he fights. Literally, Vergo's normal Haki shockwave attacks were strong enough to one shot Smoker through his own Haki defense. For reference, Smoker is also stronger than Sonic. If Vergo uses any of his Rokushiki techniques while amped with Full Koka, Sonic is instantly dead. These are techniques specialized for killing.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Show Movie 1 Sonic emitting it as a field around him as he fights.

Also didn't he do this?

 

[McFriesGuy075]

Also didn't he do this?

Profile says thats applicable with enough of a preceding charge up, that's trillions c fast.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Profile says thats applicable with enough of a preceding charge up, that's trillions c fast.

And he did just that

 

[Arkansalter2]

Also, if I didn't mention that Sonic's value comes from one quill, now I am. Sonic's value come from only one of his quills. He upscales ridiculously from his value.

 

[McFriesGuy075]

Also, if I didn't mention that Sonic's value comes from one quill, now I am. Sonic's value come from only one of his quills. He upscales ridiculously from his value.

Oh... YEAH. Wonder why the profile doesn't list the value as an "At least".

 

[Kachon123]

And he did just that

This is not at all what Shadow did. This is Sonic being coated with an aura. The way you worded it attached to Shadow's scan implied that Vergo wouldn't even be able to get near. Vergo is a master Rokushiki user who has access to ranged attacks like Rankyaku that he can spam to create danmaku. He's also skilled enough to use his precog to make those sure-hit attacks. Rankyaku is a technique that uses leg strength to generate large pressurize slashing attacks that are lethal enough to cut Sonic in half. Each of Vergo's swings with his bamboo generates enough force to break Haki coated weapon one shot characters of the same value, and with his massive LS advantage, this might BFR him. Shigan is a puncture move that would take Sonic out with a single hit to a vital area.

You still haven't answered how Sonic would even get a hit off on Vergo through his Haki. You're also forgetting that heat transfer is a thing. Even with chaos energy, it would take a relatively prolonged blow for Vergo to even begin suffering any adverse effects. Especially not through the layers of Haki it needs to burn through before even coming into contact with Vergo's actual skin.

Then you would have to prove that Sonic wouldn't just get handled at a range by Vergo's bamboo stick due to his vastly superior skill.

 

[Arkansalter2]

This is not at all what Shadow did

Chat where in the **** did shadow come from?

You still haven't answered how Sonic would even get a hit off on Vergo through his Haki.

Observation has several weaknesses, with one of those being, according to the one piece wiki "Despite the advantages that Observation Haki provides, sheer combat prowess can still allow one to keep up with, outmaneuver, and even overwhelm those who use it, even while one does not themselves possess Observation Haki or a great difference in speed."
So, Sonic boostin and bitchin around like that is going to overwhelm him and have him lose focus.
Also, Sonic literally get predict shotted all the time, yet he just weaves it last second like the dawg he is.


Also theres still this

Oh... YEAH. Wonder why the profile doesn't list the value as an "At least".

I wouldn't know.

 

[Kachon123]

Chat where in the **** did shadow come from?

Deadass, Shadow's chaos energy (which is the same temperature) literally vaped a guy.

Observation has several weaknesses, with one of those being, according to the one piece wiki "Despite the advantages that Observation Haki provides, sheer combat prowess can still allow one to keep up with, outmaneuver, and even overwhelm those who use it, even while one does not themselves possess Observation Haki or a great difference in speed."
So, Sonic boostin and bitchin around like that is going to overwhelm him and have him lose focus.
Also, Sonic literally get predict shotted all the time, yet he just weaves it last second like the dawg he is.

2+2 = 5 ass comparison because what the actual **** are you talking about? Sonic is nowhere near fast enough to overwhlelm Kenbun's reaction amps that would make Sonic slow motion in his eyes. Kenbun also has feats dealing with shit way better than that. Vergo can dodge and counter that literally with his eyes closed.

Also theres still this

Vergo can see the future to prevent this, also it takes Sonic running for an extended period of time to achieve this. Prove that he can and would do this in a battle scenario as of Movie 1. Also prove why Vergo (a literal mafia assassin who is a master of a hyper-aggressive killing martial art) would stop fighting Sonic for long enough to let him do this.

 

[Arkansalter2]

This is not at all what Shadow did.

So he didn't do this?

At least be correct.

Vergo can dodge and counter that literally with his eyes closed.

And sonic can dodge without even looking. Plus. Sonic's small size would make most of Vergo's attacks miss anyway.

Also prove why Vergo (a literal mafia assassin who is a master of a hyper-aggressive killing martial art) would stop fighting Sonic for long enough to let him do this.

Would Vergo even be able to keep up with him for that amount of time? Sonic can literally go to up to over trillions of c fast with chaos energy, with him going faster by the second.
Vergo is NOT keeping up with sonic for that long.

In addition, while Observation Haki can predict attacks, it cannot tell one how to dodge an attack. As a result, abilities that have special activation requirements cannot be dodged if the user does not understand the mechanics of the ability. So prediction, yes, but how to dodge? Errr....
Observation may be troublesome, but that doesn't make him unhittable in anyway, especially to sonics shenanigans.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Anyways it's 4-1 sonic.

 

[Kachon123]

So he didn't do this?

At least be correct.

No, he didn't. Because it took Shadow several dozen rotations around a ~hundred meter circumference to even start generating a field. After that, it took continuous running for it to even stay present.

Use your brain.

And sonic can dodge without even looking. Plus. Sonic's small size would make most of Vergo's attacks miss anyway.

You're obtuse as all hell if you're comparing that to Kenbun. You've seen One Piece, or bare minimum seen enough One Piece matches to know how dumb of a point this is. Don’t lower your intellectual standards just to argue for a specific character.

Would Vergo even be able to keep up with him for that amount of time? Sonic can literally go to up to over trillions of c fast with chaos energy, with him going faster by the second.
Vergo is NOT keeping up with sonic for that long.

Sonic can only do that after charging chaos energy for a significant amount of time. Vergo can also see the future. He has blitz amps and techniques that can one shot Sonic.

In addition, while Observation Haki can predict attacks, it cannot tell one how to dodge an attack. As a result, abilities that have special activation requirements cannot be dodged if the user does not understand the mechanics of the ability. So prediction, yes, but how to dodge? Errr....
Observation may be troublesome, but that doesn't make him unhittable in anyway, especially to sonics shenanigans.

Except it does tell Vergo how to dodge, as he's literally gets a cinematic view of Sonic's future movements. He also sees Sonic moving in slow motion.

Kenbun has made several characters renowned as being effectively 'unhittable’ (Rebecca, the Untouchable Woman. Katakuri, the Perfect Man. and Sandersonia’s ability to ‘dodge’ anything). So for Sonic, who has absolutely zero experience fighting someone with precognition, he would be cooked.

Instead of repeating the same things over and over ad nauseam, maybe try coming up of a way for Sonic to actually land a blow without any contrived methods that require minutes of prep time.

 

[Arkansalter2]

No, he didn't. Because it took Shadow several dozen rotations around a ~hundred meter circumference to even start generating a field. After that, it took continuous running for it to even stay present.

But he did do that, correct? I thought so.

You're obtuse as all hell if you're comparing that to Kenbun. You've seen One Piece, or bare minimum seen enough One Piece matches to know how dumb of a point this is. Don’t lower your intellectual standards just to argue for a specific character.

Has he specifically fought agile as hell small sized characters who upscales ridiculously from their value? Because mind you...

Also, if I didn't mention that Sonic's value comes from one quill, now I am. Sonic's value come from only one of his quills. He upscales ridiculously from his value.

Sonic can only do that after charging chaos energy for a significant amount of time

A few seconds tops.

Still no answer to the thing known as 100M C chaos energy baked chickenizer which would vape the moment that Sonic gets close, even if Vergo did try to dodge it.

 

[Kachon123]

But he did do that, correct? I thought so.

Instead of repeating the same things over and over ad nauseam, maybe try coming up of a way for Sonic to actually land a blow without any contrived methods that require minutes of prep time.

The fact that you think you're proving something instead of digging yourself a deeper hole is hilarious.

Has he specifically fought agile as hell small sized characters who upscales ridiculously from their value? Because mind you...

Yes. What do you think Rokushiki users are.

Still no answer to the thing known as 100M C chaos energy baked chickenizer which would vape the moment that Sonic gets close, even if Vergo did try to dodge it.

I did. You're just far too ignorant to realize that every swing that Vergo does creates hundred meter wide shockwaves powerful enough to one shot Sonic and over a million times strong enough LS to blow away both Sonic and his chaos energy.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Vergo does creates hundred meter wide shockwaves powerful enough to one shot Sonic and over a million times strong enough LS to blow away both Sonic and his chaos energy.

Also, if I didn't mention that Sonic's value comes from one quill, now I am. Sonic's value come from only one of his quills. He upscales ridiculously from his value.

Sonic has many many quills. That's not happening. Not even sure if Vergo can even harm him at this point.

 

[Kachon123]

Sonic has many many quills. That's not happening. Not even sure if Vergo can even harm him at this point.

Vergo's value comes from someone he can one shot with a hakiless elbow. He has 3 one shot amps on top of this, so you're the one who has to prove that Sonic can harm Vergo. You're seriously grasping at straws.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Vergo's value comes from someone he can one shot with a hakiless elbow. He has 3 one shot amps on top of this

And hedgehogs can have 7000 quills. Now multiply that number by 31 GT.

 

[Kachon123]

And hedgehogs can have 7000 quills. Now multiply that number by 31 GT.

Not how that works.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Not how that works.

His value comes from his quill btw. One quill. Hedgehogs have thousands of them.

Sonic's quill creates an explosion (RECALC)

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[Kachon123]

His value comes from his quill btw. One quill. Hedgehogs have thousands of them.

Sonic's quill creates an explosion (RECALC)

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The quill was supercharged by Sonic's chaos energy. It's not Sonic's power divided by however many quills. Like I said, that's not how it works.

 

[Arkansalter2]

The quill was supercharged by Sonic's chaos energy.

What do you think sonic has 7000 of and has innately?

Anyways I'm still voting for sonic. Chaos Energy would end up being a crutch because he would just passively amp his speed by like c's within seconds, far too fast for Vergo to even go near keeping up, even with the slomo crap.
With my vote, its 5-1 sonic.

 

[Kachon123]

What do you think sonic has 7000 of and has innately?

He has 7000 quills. Each supercharged with however much energy Sonic was producing.

Anyways I'm still voting for sonic. Chaos Energy would end up being a crutch because he would just passively amp his speed by like c's within seconds, far too fast for Vergo to even go near keeping up, even with the slomo crap.

You still haven’t given an answer to why Vergo would let him do this, but I don't blame you for voting your character with blind support. It's just weird when your arguments have been debunked.

 

[Arkansalter2]

You still haven’t given an answer to why Vergo would let him do this

He wouldn't but he wouldn't be able to keep up with Sonic after a few seconds, even with Soru.

 

[Kachon123]

He wouldn't but he wouldn't be able to keep up with Sonic after a few seconds, even with Soru.

You're conveniently forgetting about the fact that Vergo can literally see the future and kill Sonic with Shigan before this ever happens.