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Kamen Rider Tycoon vs Raiden (Metal Gear) (U.A. Sports Festival Final Event, but it's an 8-A tournament: Round 10) (1-1-0)

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Welcome to Round 10 of the 8-A U.A. Sports Festival Tournament!

VS Thread

  • Fights will take place within the Fighting Tournament Ring with a full stadium.
  • Speed is equalized.
  • Competitors are informed of the rules and that they're in a nationally televised competition.
    • Competitors will act in character with this knowledge (I.E a Competitor that doesn't care about winning and fame, not fighting as hard as they normally would, or a Competitor that would kill the opponent despite knowing the rules).
  • The conditions for winning a match are: knocking out the opponent, rendering them unable to move, or getting them to step out of bounds/surrender.
    • Another wincon is if a competitor does something that would get them "disqualified' in-universe, that would also count as a win for the opponent (I.E, if Character A kills Character B, that would count as a win for Character B in a VS Thread)
  • Killing the opponent/overbrutalizing them, harming or attacking the audience intentionally or unintentionally, or bringing in outside help, will result in an in-universe disqualification.
  • All competitors are given the option to view the other previous matches in-universe.

Tournament Thread Rules:

  • If a character gets no arguments for around 3-4 days, the opposing competitor will automatically go to the next round.
  • If a thread gets no votes or the votes are tied for 3-4 days, I will decide who I think advances based on the arguments given.
    • If a character I submitted is involved, however, I will coin-flip instead to prevent any bias on my part.

Kamen Rider Tycoon {16.07 Tons of TNT, 160.7 Tons of TNT with boost}: 1Raiden (Metal Gear) [Metal Gear Rising (Updated Patriots Cyborg Body)] { Upscales from 156.78 Tons}: 1Incon: 0
 
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So uhmm, to start off, Tycoon should be able to bolster up his numbers game by summoning Boostriker along with creating 20 clones of himself. Teleportation isn't easy to fight against, especially against someone with expertise on it.
 
I mean, the main argument for Keiwa using his clones against Tenna, despite barely ever doing so in the show, was that he'd incentivized to do so thanks to Tenna also having an army of his own too. Raiden is just like 1 guy.
 
I mean, the main argument for Keiwa using his clones against Tenna, despite never doing it in the show, was that he'd incentivized to do so thanks to Tenna also having an army of his own too. Raiden is just like 1 guy.
Man do I love kamen rider shows being produced with a shoestring budget and having to see abilities not be used like that ever again.
The main arg (besides whether 20 ass clones would be produced based on user opinion) is that he has clones to help him out.
 
Second arg to get shit flowing.
Raiden's sword shenanigans will be known by Tycoon, and exposure to it will eventually allow him to RE a resistance or some shit to combat against it. There's also disarming it via wind manip or shadow clone into TP/Substitute combo.
 
So just to clarify but Raiden doesn't have HF blade nor can he really use it under these circumstances since it would be disqualification? I feel like that'd restrict him but he still has Blade Mode
 
So just to clarify but Raiden doesn't have HF blade nor can he really use it under these circumstances since it would be disqualification? I feel like that'd restrict him but he still has Blade Mode
He has it on him and can use it, but if he cuts someone in half, that would be grounds for disqualification. As long as he doesn't use it directly on someone to kill them, he's fine to use it as he pleases.
 
So just to clarify but Raiden doesn't have HF blade nor can he really use it under these circumstances since it would be disqualification? I feel like that'd restrict him but he still has Blade Mode
That's not how it works? Also he's accurate enough to slice the clothes of civilians with it without harming them.
 
I think the accuracy of Raiden trying not to kill Tycoon is the least of his problems when the Tanuki boi's kinda stacked abilities wise (even with showings in-series istg I can't escape this allegations can I?)
 
Second arg to get shit flowing.
Raiden's sword shenanigans will be known by Tycoon, and exposure to it will eventually allow him to RE a resistance or some shit to combat against it. There's also disarming it via wind manip or shadow clone into TP/Substitute combo.
How would he know about it? Raiden won the last match by putting his opponent in a choke hold and apparently setting it to a stun fucntion so it wouldn't insta-cut whoever it touches. Also again RE is limited by what it's been shown to do, has it ever acted against Matter Manip?

Plus, dunno if knocking his sword out of his hands is going to be that big of a deal, like this is the guy we're talking about
 
Also again RE is limited by what it's been shown to do, has it ever acted against Matter Manip?
I already posted this in that other Tycoon match (non-tourney one)
Ok so, I went back to check on it, and our RE is actually more busted than we thought.

Depending on how the fight will go, Keiwa would possibly gain new abilities that could work around the soul. The reason being is that Spark itself allows the user to go as far as break the laws of their universe. Being binded by the chains of genesis is a price to pay for changing the world, and Ace was able to RE through it and break them.
To keep you up to speed, the chains of genesis is what removes the free will from the awakened users of spark and petrify everything about them. Tsumuri, another awakened spark user, is able to do the same thing against a much more accelerated (yet chainless) version of this done by the Game Masters of the DGP.

Michinaga, a weaker spark user than Ace (he's basic while Ace should be awakened by that point), was able to regain his Jyamahsin powers and form despite it had previously been erased from the universe by the Goddess of Genesis, thanks to that RE.

TLDR: Spark RE has the backings to make it not fall into NLF territory.
AKA if your spark somehow allows you to RE through law manip and reality warping bundled in a package, I don't see why matter manip would be a ***** to RE. (And even then, every Rider and their mother's going to resist quantum matter manip in the future anyway, but that's neither here nor there).

How would he know about it? Raiden won the last match by putting his opponent in a choke hold and apparently setting it to a stun fucntion so it wouldn't insta-cut whoever it touches.
Cool, except the act of using his HF Blade to cut the armor out of Alarak was a legit point to be had. The fact that one can cleanly slice through armor like butter is bound to raise eyebrows at best, and red flags at worst. You also have two people above you talk about the HF Blade in question, because it's part of his standard equipment, and is bound to do something with it, even with non-lethality in mind.

He has it on him and can use it, but if he cuts someone in half, that would be grounds for disqualification. As long as he doesn't use it directly on someone to kill them, he's fine to use it as he pleases.
That's not how it works? Also he's accurate enough to slice the clothes of civilians with it without harming them.
See what I mean?

Also dunno if knocking his sword out of his hands is going to be that big of a deal, like this is the guy we're talking about
First, his armor won't get sliced clean. The HF Blade is his bread and butter, which he can even use it without needing to kill.
Second, going cqc against a ninja with actual ninja abilities isn't as good as you think. Going by your in-series feat showing stuff, Keiwa loves to spam TPs and substitutions btw. I'm not sure how 3 clones are going to appear in his soliton radar, but they'll be there as extra support. Using fists against shit like this isn't going to go well.
 
Need an exact value. Because he has far better lightning than he did back in 4 which was enough to spawn lightning on top of people that can fry those who can shrug off 10,000,000 volts, lightning, and more, by like at least 3 stages of face tanking.

And if dude can somehow get past lightning bolts just spawning on him and the squad, knocking them out then and there...

I also need to know right now, none of that backpedaling shit, does this dude have regeneration, or does his equipment have regen because I'm not seeing it for either on profile anywhere, even implied.

Because he has quantum duraneg matter manip at a decent distance (like 8m if we go by standard moves or QTE/cutscenes, if we say he can do what Sam does tho for range, it'd be like 30m, I can post the sauce if need be, I got the models loaded in blender right now for a blog), and I'm not seeing quantum matter manip res anywhere, and before anyone says "killing", as with last time because this is twice in a row where Raiden's opp is a dude who's kit is mostly equipment and as such is tied to it, it most certainly isn't an issue when Raiden is skilled enough to render a normal human nude without so much as scratching their skin with that same weapon, which is to say a giant AoE unavoidable slash is kind of a huge issue for someone who's kit hinges on armor and buckles, and if that armor can't reform, regenerate, or anything of the sort, doesn't resist quantum duraneg, etc.
I'm seeing no reason why dude doesn't basically get locked into base at a mere unavoidable quick draw, especially because such a lil factoid isn't even implicated possible on profile, and then circle back to point 1 where he just gets zapped or knocked out with ludicrous EMPs (SOL btw, which is faster than both of them "but he doesn't have tech-", the tech shutdown isn't the issue, the issue is it's a AOE electromagnetic attack that's strong enough to fry normal humans), or hell, maybe some red phosphorus, no crush to guard from that is def gonna lead to asphyxiation into unconscious.

Ya'll should prob stop putting Raiden in matches where his instant cheese is still completely viable in a tourney where that's not the point. That's two opps in a row where the foe's whole kit basically revolves around armor, items, and equipment, as in, things he can still abuse his quantum duraneg on without issue given he's skilled enough to straight up render people naked with a flick of his wrist without scratching them for fun because he's a freak, as in, he can neuter his foes without killing them and then just freely incap them with stuff they no longer have an answer to.

Also of note, Raiden has 5 revives, he needs to effectively be killed 5 times, and he's entirely willing to outright gore himself if it means landing a winning blow.
 
AKA if your spark somehow allows you to RE through law manip and reality warping bundled in a package, I don't see why matter manip would be a ***** to RE.
It's the rules.
It would be a No Limits Fallacy to assume someone with this power can obtain any ability whatsoever. Its extent and complexity only go as far its feats and scaling have gone for it, in relation up to countermeasures to powers that already exist in the setting or similar, in a case by case basis.
That's why RE is straight up useless 99% of the time.
Need an exact value. Because he has far better lightning than he did back in 4 which was enough to spawn lightning on top of people that can fry those who can shrug off 10,000,000 volts, lightning, and more, by like at least 3 stages of face tanking.
How is this not straight up killing him? Even if Keiwa's resistance to electricity is above average?
 
AKA if your spark somehow allows you to RE through law manip and reality warping bundled in a package, I don't see why matter manip would be a ***** to RE. (And even then, every Rider and their mother's going to resist quantum matter manip in the future anyway, but that's neither here nor there).
Literally nothing anywhere says it grants resistances.
Nobody cares about the future for this match, if we did we'd be arguing a hell of a lot more than just a HF blade, and even if anyone opts to grant you that, HF blades still have asinine heat manip, and atomic scale electrical severing, not even just matter manip or funny vibrations (all of which need to be resisted to actually tank it properly), if you want to argue future topics, dude just gets 4th wall'd ko'd via shooting the funny !.

No really tho
(Spark is dependent on one's desire and will; the stronger they are, the more powerful a person can be. Naturally, those with such magnitudes of desire can steel themselves through all odds, such as immense pain, etc. In combat, Spark is capable of massively boosting the power of almost every Geats Riders to the point of equalizing with opponents previously far more powerful than them instantly. Even with minimal training, newcomers who were initially inexperienced can catch up with the most skilled Kamen Riders in the Desire Grand Prix very quickly. With time, they can permenantly as strong or even stronger than the enemies that have given them trouble. They can also develop counters for specific types of enemies, such as when all Riders can eventually defeat Jyamato Riders, who can regenerate from ash)

Where in this does it say it magically grants resistances, especially to things the Rider would have no idea is a thing? It says it equalizes stats, but that is not becoming immune to someone's whole kit, that isn't even the case in the show itself.
Cool, except the act of using his HF Blade to cut the armor out of Alarak was a legit point to be had. The fact that one can cleanly slice through armor like butter is bound to raise eyebrows at best, and red flags at worst. You also have two people above you talk about the HF Blade in question, because it's part of his standard equipment, and is bound to do something with it, even with non-lethality in mind.
Of course. And if this lad can't regen or reform his armor, equipment, and so forth, which isn't noted anywhere, match just kind of ends there.
First, his armor won't get sliced clean.
Yes it will, there's absolutely nothing on profile giving it quantum matter res, sub-atomic electric res, and I'm even gonna say heat given the HF Blade can literally turn people on par with Raiden into glowing hot cross sections and vaporizing their flesh (the flesh in question being CNT), who can shrug off super heated plasma pointblank.
 
Need an exact value. Because he has far better lightning than he did back in 4 which was enough to spawn lightning on top of people that can fry those who can shrug off 10,000,000 volts, lightning, and more, by like at least 3 stages of face tanking.
Off topic: I still don't get why Big Boss doesn't have resistance to electricity manipulation, despite withstanding Volgin's lightning. It's pretty much self-evident.
 
How is this not straight up killing him? Even if Keiwa's resistance to electricity is above average?
Because he can throttle it (as in he can control output). Basically it tbh, lil zap, big zap, zap till it works. Raiden has the Solid Eye in this key so he'd get a basic rundown on his physicality at the very least as to not do what he did to the Frogs, I'd wager he'd get it first try but if he doesn't, second try is locked in if he just starts with something sufficient to incap an elite soldier, then get the rundown via Solid Eye on what effects it had on his body and compensate off that.
 
I love how people are forgetting the little added rule...

"All competitors are given the option to view the other previous matches in-universe."

Kaiwa would know Raiden's shtick.
 
I love how people are forgetting the little added rule...

"All competitors are given the option to view the other previous matches in-universe."

Kaiwa would know Raiden's shtick.
So would Raiden.
It might make Keiwa preemptively TP away from sword swings but he really has no reason to assume Raiden (If he even did) cutting Alarak before choking him means his sword can cut through anything.

It's honestly worse for Keiwa cause he basically emptied his whole bag in the Tenna fight.
 
So would Raiden.
It might make Keiwa preemptively TP away from sword swings but he really has no reason to assume Raiden maybe cutting Alarak before choking him means his sword can cut through anything.
Technically he just yeets Alarak out of the arena but yeh...

One thing you are wrong about, though, is that the argument was Raiden would destroy ALL of Alarak's armor. Bluntly put, that would tell Keiwa a **** ton of things about that sword and all of them would tell him to not get into melee or near it.
It's honestly worse for Keiwa cause he basically emptied his whole bag in the Tenna fight.
And Raiden would have shown blade mode so that's one of his more major tricks.
 
I love how people are forgetting the little added rule...
Yes, people are ignoring the rule, kind of sus tbh, not that it matters but still.
"All competitors are given the option to view the other previous matches in-universe."

Kaiwa would know Raiden's shtick.
And that helps how exactly? Raiden either outright resists everything he has (no like really what ability of his does Raiden NOT eat? I was gonna say acid, but Raiden can bathe in molten electrocytes and that shit is highly corrosive), or can still strike at a distance so his foe has to stay completely out of range which shuts down most of the kit.

And at that point Raiden wouldn't even fight him if Raiden gets knowledge on the fact he can spam clones and whatnot, he'd just toss a smoke grenade down and dip and then stealth, and this dude absolutely doesn't have the senses to pick up on a cyborg Raiden who's actively stealthing, and Raiden would know if he knew anyway due to the radar and like 5 other abilities alerting him to his opp's means of detection so there's no scenario where Raiden gets detected and doesn't know well ahead of time.

And besides, seeing the last match doesn't actually tell him how any of Raiden's stuff works, 90% of his kit beyond the fact he has a sword that cut some dude's armor, and maybe electricity depending on if last match we go with choking out or that as the wincon.
 
I'm like 99% sure Keiwa would immediately dip out of the smoke cause of how damned cautious he'd be of that sword, and the fact Raiden has that speed amp and would have definitely shown it off.
 
And that helps how exactly? Raiden either outright resists everything he has (no like really what ability of his does Raiden NOT eat? I was gonna say acid, but Raiden can bathe in molten electrocytes and that shit is highly corrosive), or can still strike at a distance so his foe has to stay completely out of range which shuts down most of the kit.
There's no acid here, Keiwa only has the Ninja and Boost buckles and doesn't have the slot machine thing to pull another one.

Smoke seems pretty useless though, can't Keiwa just like, TP out of it? Unless it's covering the entire stadium?
 
Technically he just yeets Alarak out of the arena but yeh...

One thing you are wrong about, though, is that the argument was Raiden would destroy ALL of Alarak's armor. Bluntly put, that would tell Keiwa a **** ton of things about that sword and all of them would tell him to not get into melee or near it.

And Raiden would have shown blade mode so that's one of his more major tricks.
Would he? Raiden has two types of time dilation (well actually he only has one, Blade Mode is a flat speed amp, the other is perception and only lasts a split second at a time).
But Blade Mode isn't actually a red flag for this match because this mf also has Blade Mode.

Though, what are we doing?
What Keiwa even knows depends on how we decide the last match went, if you're saying he just throws him out, then Keiwa knows nothing of value. If we got funny sword, he just knows the sword cut some dude's armor, that doesn't tell him the specifics or even if it's actually dangerous to him without knowing the armor specs. The argument he knows shit depends on how the last match went which is semi-relevant.
Also nah dude the argument was just bro's neck being covered isn't an issue, he can just cut the armor and uncover the neck, whether that's all of it or not... Well it could be, or not, really just depends on if Raiden wants to get chastised for more sexual misconduct.
 
There's no acid here, Keiwa only has the Ninja and Boost buckles and doesn't have the slot machine tging to pull another one.
I just figured he'd have them all, in that case dude legit doesn't have anything really outside of AP to put Raiden down, all the actual abilities get ate, even stealth and his own smoke manip gets shut down by soliton+solid eye.
Smoke seems pretty useless though, can't Keiwa just like, TP out of it? Unless it's covering the entire stadium?
Smoke isn't relevant for stopping Keiwa, it's relevant to give Raiden an easy means to disengage if need be.
Him TP'ing out is actually better for him if Raiden opts that route, more leeway to pull that shit.
 
Would he? Raiden has two types of time dilation (well actually he only has one, Blade Mode is a flat speed amp, the other is perception and only lasts a split second at a time).
But Blade Mode isn't actually a red flag for this match because this mf also has Blade Mode.
I'm not arguing Raiden would be DQ'd lmfao
Though, what are we doing?
What Keiwa even knows depends on how we decide the last match went, if you're saying he just throws him out, then Keiwa knows nothing of value. If we got funny sword, he just knows the sword cut some dude's armor, that doesn't tell him the specifics or even if it's actually dangerous to him without knowing the armor specs. The argument he knows shit depends on how the last match went which is semi-relevant.
Also nah dude the argument was just bro's neck being covered isn't an issue, he can just cut the armor and uncover the neck, whether that's all of it or not... Well it could be, or not, really just depends on if Raiden wants to get chastised for more sexual misconduct.
It's a speed amp plus a sword that deleted futuristic armor before he threw an alien out of the arena. Gonna say that Keiwa would know enough to know "I do not want to touch that man with a 20 foot barge pole"

He probably wouldn't know about electricity for a variety of reasons, but he'd know enough about everything else.

Raiden would know basically everything Keiwa could do though.

~~I can't wait for Strife vs Raiden to end up being "And they fought for 24 hours until the cyborg collapsed"~~
 
I'm not arguing Raiden would be DQ'd lmfao
I never said you did?
Wtf are you talking about?
It's a speed amp plus a sword that deleted futuristic armor before he threw an alien out of the arena. Gonna say that Keiwa would know enough to know "I do not want to touch that man with a 20 foot barge pole"
Why. No like really why? Dude's seen dozens of futuristic swords, what makes this particular sword such an absurd red flag that he wouldn't want to go near him at all? (Raiden's sword doesn't even look futuristic in this key anyway, it's a specific katana that's just been modified, i forget the type tho).
Also "futuristic armor"? How would he know that, at a glance it just looks like normal a black metal? For all Keiwa knows from watching a televised match it could have been a AP thing and Raiden was just way stronger, which wouldn't matter to him here because of RE.

You're giving knowledge and making them exceedingly cautious over facets that they can't reasonably deduce from just that alone.

He probably wouldn't know about electricity for a variety of reasons, but he'd know enough about everything else.
This isn't good enough. Why.
There could be a dozen different reasons Raiden did what he did, Keiwa has zero way to deduce it's a hax thing.
Raiden would know basically everything Keiwa could do though.
That he would.
~~I can't wait for Strife vs Raiden to end up being "And they fought for 24 hours until the cyborg collapsed"~~
Raiden can fight for over a week. Stated to have that much glucose packs to keep running for about that long actually you mentioning this is good, real good actually, I just realized we could upscale him off The Boss and a few others who have ludicrous fighting statements due to a random exceeding human limits-ass stamina statement somewhere. Obviously not on profile but I'm gonna go hunt that bad boy down.
 
I never said you did?
Wtf are you talking about?

Why. No like really why? Dude's seen dozens of futuristic swords, what makes this particular sword such an absurd red flag that he wouldn't want to go near him at all? (Raiden's sword doesn't even look futuristic in this key anyway, it's a specific katana that's just been modified, i forget the type tho).
Also "futuristic armor"? How would he know that, at a glance it just looks like normal a black metal? For all Keiwa knows from watching a televised match it could have been a AP thing and Raiden was just way stronger, which wouldn't matter to him here because of RE.

You're giving knowledge and making them exceedingly cautious over facets that they can't reasonably deduce from just that alone.


This isn't good enough. Why.
There could be a dozen different reasons Raiden did what he did, Keiwa has zero way to deduce it's a hax thing.
He doesn't need to deduce it's a hax thing, he just has to deduce that it's a very ******* scary sword. And the fact Alarak would 100% hit Raiden while restrained says everything on who was stronger in AP, just that Raiden's sword is spooky.

And look at Alarak's alien armor that produces lightsabers and tell me that's not futuristic lmfao(Actual lightsabers in SC canon but that Alarak is both tier 7 and has a profile that makes MG profiles look good)
Raiden can fight for over a week. Stated to have that much glucose packs to keep running for about that long actually you mentioning this is good, real good actually, I just realized we could upscale him off The Boss and a few others who have ludicrous fighting statements due to a random exceeding human limits-ass stamina statement somewhere. Obviously not on profile but I'm gonna go hunt that bad boy down.
It would be the most boring match in the universe lmfao

None of Strife's bullet types besides beam can actually hit, he is handmade to play the range game, and the only entertaining thing would be their chatter lmfao
 
He doesn't need to deduce it's a hax thing, he just has to deduce that it's a very ******* scary sword.
He's from a verse where 99% of dudes of some sci-fi meme cartoon sword, he himself has one even, yet that doesn't make him go "oh that's literal death I shouldn't get with 20m of him because the sword will do meme quantum electricity stuff to me". There's a few missing steps here dude, he might go "oh he's a sword fighter" and "oh that sword might be dangerous", but the jump from that to "never get in range" is a large one, he might not even know what the range actually is, and if he goes to attack Raiden at all, or trade with him, he just loses that exchange.
And the fact Alarak would 100% hit Raiden while restrained says everything on who was stronger in AP, just that Raiden's sword is spooky.
Based on what exactly? Why can't Raiden predict that? What's AP have to do with LS if he was restrained? If you're arguing he used Blade Mode then it's safe to say he wouldn't have been hit at all either.

Like going back to the Alarak fight isn't something I figured we'd have to do, but if the entire argument hinges on this OTHER MATCH and what exactly happened, we really need to decide what exactly is actually required for Raiden to win majority of the time because there's like 5 ways to go about it.

And look at Alarak's alien armor that produces lightsabers and tell me that's not futuristic lmfao(Actual lightsabers in SC canon but that Alarak is both tier 7 and has a profile that makes MG profiles look good)
Futuristic doesn't mean durable, or anything actually on its own. All he'd get from that is it has funny heat blades.

You're acting like anyone here, at all, is getting for more info than they actually would.

Like the only actual info Keiwa, or anyone can get is Raiden's sword cut through armor of unknown properties. Why that is, they don't know. It could be a boon for Raiden, it could be the armor's fault. It could literally be anything, they straight up don't know unless they have some sort of ability to tell them that or the capacity to figure out the actual mechanics at a glance, which they don't, that might make some people a tad cautious, but if the character in question boxes dude's with anime weapons all the time anyway, don't really think that's making him stay 100m away (which just forces Raiden to cheese the fight anyway so idk if that's even a good idea).
It would be the most boring match in the universe lmfao

None of Strife's bullet types besides beam can actually hit, he is handmade to play the range game, and the only entertaining thing would be their chatter lmfao
It is what it is. Honestly kind of wanting this tourney to end... I figured it would've by now so I've been holding off on the CRT, it's been like two weeks...
 
Alright, I'm finally here again. Let's see what shitshow has happened here (I did not look forward to this fight, but it's unavoidable, thank you bracket).

It's the rules.

That's why RE is straight up useless 99% of the time.
Repeating shit don't make you right, btw. I've already explained that it's within the bounds of what it has shown, and quantum matter manipulation hasn't topped being able to reality warp at a planetary/timeline ass scale. If you have nothing else but to invoke the rules instead of actually providing actual argument, then I don't see why your point holds weight.

Literally nothing anywhere says it grants resistances.
Nobody cares about the future for this match, if we did we'd be arguing a hell of a lot more than just a HF blade, and even if anyone opts to grant you that, HF blades still have asinine heat manip, and atomic scale electrical severing, not even just matter manip or funny vibrations (all of which need to be resisted to actually tank it properly), if you want to argue future topics, dude just gets 4th wall'd ko'd via shooting the funny !.

No really tho
(Spark is dependent on one's desire and will; the stronger they are, the more powerful a person can be. Naturally, those with such magnitudes of desire can steel themselves through all odds, such as immense pain, etc. In combat, Spark is capable of massively boosting the power of almost every Geats Riders to the point of equalizing with opponents previously far more powerful than them instantly. Even with minimal training, newcomers who were initially inexperienced can catch up with the most skilled Kamen Riders in the Desire Grand Prix very quickly. With time, they can permenantly as strong or even stronger than the enemies that have given them trouble. They can also develop counters for specific types of enemies, such as when all Riders can eventually defeat Jyamato Riders, who can regenerate from ash)

Where in this does it say it magically grants resistances, especially to things the Rider would have no idea is a thing? It says it equalizes stats, but that is not becoming immune to someone's whole kit, that isn't even the case in the show itself.
Now that's an actual argument about this! This is the argument that @Eden_Warlock99 wishes her one is supposed to be, rather than just invoking rules that the RE already follow in the first place.
At the moment, it only gives counters for the defensive hax of their opponent, a la Jyamato Riders and their mid-high regen. I have stated the hax applied onto spark users, but obviously that's going to be part of another crt. Disregard this, your point's actually valid.

Of course. And if this lad can't regen or reform his armor, equipment, and so forth, which isn't noted anywhere, match just kind of ends there.
Actually...
Transforming into another form (or even performing a revolve on) would just reform the armor. As for why it isn't in the profiles or whatever, it counts as transforming again (or body control for Revolve On). You'd just have to slice up his belt and he'll be dealt with non-lethally. Wouldn't be too hard to know about this, especially if Keiwa had done a revolve on in the prior match. But every Rider and their mothers protect their belts with their dear life, so good luck actually getting to that without fatally wounding Tycoon first.

Yes it will, there's absolutely nothing on profile giving it quantum matter res, sub-atomic electric res, and I'm even gonna say heat given the HF Blade can literally turn people on par with Raiden into glowing hot cross sections and vaporizing their flesh (the flesh in question being CNT), who can shrug off super heated plasma pointblank.
That was not my point when I said his sword won't cut him. Obviously, Keiwa can be affected by the sword when he's hit with it. The point of consensus is that he's going to either avoid the sword entirely and/or deal with the sword first.

Need an exact value. Because he has far better lightning than he did back in 4 which was enough to spawn lightning on top of people that can fry those who can shrug off 10,000,000 volts, lightning, and more, by like at least 3 stages of face tanking.
No given value, unfortunately. Text scan stuff. Basic mooks get electrocuted then explode, and Ace himself got hit by lightning and just got untransformed, but none of that would pass Raiden stuff afaik.

Because he can throttle it (as in he can control output). Basically it tbh, lil zap, big zap, zap till it works. Raiden has the Solid Eye in this key so he'd get a basic rundown on his physicality at the very least as to not do what he did to the Frogs, I'd wager he'd get it first try but if he doesn't, second try is locked in if he just starts with something sufficient to incap an elite soldier, then get the rundown via Solid Eye on what effects it had on his body and compensate off that.
Without taking into account whether Tycoon can avoid the lightning yet, I just want to say that Keiwa's tenacious enough to overexert himself here, to the point that he could die if he's somehow still in the condition to fight after one zap. In his Ninja Form debut, he overexerted himself so much that he had to be eliminated from the death game because he'd die otherwise. Dunno if that kind of death can count as a Keiwa win, but it's definitely something.

Anyways, one. Raiden's lightning (as far as I could find and based on the profile stuff) kinda emanates from his body first before some lightning attack happens. Even if Keiwa doesn't see him use his lightning in the previous match (it would be fishy when a man who 'radiates' lightning could tank palpatine ass lightning blast from his opponent without flinching, but I digress), this point of Raiden is kinda a big hint as to what he can expect.

Second, shooting bolts at him won't really work due to being easy to aim dodge, and his lightning from the sky is just going to trigger his TP/Substitution.

Thirdly, his forcefield can actually block it. It's funny because it's not even portrayed as covering him fully, but his feet weren't injured and the roofless forcefield still prevented the energy beam thing to flow onto his head. Breaking the forcefield would result in other attacks being dispelled.

Because he has quantum duraneg matter manip at a decent distance (like 8m if we go by standard moves or QTE/cutscenes, if we say he can do what Sam does tho for range, it'd be like 30m, I can post the sauce if need be, I got the models loaded in blender right now for a blog)
I don't think that's really an issue when every Rider is capable of slashing a pretty wide ass range and distance tbh. This part is not something new for him.

a giant AoE unavoidable slash is kind of a huge issue for someone who's kit hinges on armor and buckles, and if that armor can't reform, regenerate, or anything of the sort, doesn't resist quantum duraneg, etc.
Bold to assume he can't TP away, or pretend to get hit only to reveal that it was a substitution all along. That forcefield should also dispel the attack once it breaks as well.
Raiden has to really get up on his grill to actually try and CQC with Tycoon.

ludicrous EMPs (SOL btw, which is faster than both of them "but he doesn't have tech-", the tech shutdown isn't the issue, the issue is it's a AOE electromagnetic attack that's strong enough to fry normal humans), or hell, maybe some red phosphorus, no crush to guard from that is def gonna lead to asphyxiation into unconscious.
SOL btw, which is faster than both of them
Oh no. That can possibly only mean...
Ayo Tycoon finna speedblitz by equalising to the lightning of all things.
I'd say that, but the lightning not being SOL in his profile means this point doesn't fly, unless we're counting it, then this is a speedblitz moment.

Also of note, Raiden has 5 revives, he needs to effectively be killed 5 times, and he's entirely willing to outright gore himself if it means landing a winning blow.
That wouldn't really matter when a ring out is a viable wincon for Tycoon, especially when he can use the air to displace his ass.

That's the one half of the args behind, so I'll deal with the funny knowledge thing on the second post.
 
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It's honestly worse for Keiwa cause he basically emptied his whole bag in the Tenna fight.
Honestly speaking, knowledge on the tools is cool to have yea, but what I'd worry about more is how Tycoon, no, how most if not every Geats Rider is able to make use of said tools. They've shown creative usage of their buckles from time to time, like how Keiwa enlarged his ninja blades and used it as a giant board to fly around and damage the giant monster. Hell, Ace is considered top of the skill chain (even without accounting for the cross-scaling of skill) despite using these fundamentally rudimentary tools, like how he's able to actually fight shit with a water hose. I'm very sure Raiden's kit have some sort of skill expression for it, but handwaving how someone can still utilize a tool just because the enemy knows what's up isn't really a good idea.

And that helps how exactly? Raiden either outright resists everything he has (no like really what ability of his does Raiden NOT eat?
Eating haxes that other Riders have already done isn't really that impressive, but he still gonna be eating that AP sandwich served up by said haxes.

And at that point Raiden wouldn't even fight him if Raiden gets knowledge on the fact he can spam clones and whatnot, he'd just toss a smoke grenade down and dip and then stealth, and this dude absolutely doesn't have the senses to pick up on a cyborg Raiden who's actively stealthing, and Raiden would know if he knew anyway due to the radar and like 5 other abilities alerting him to his opp's means of detection so there's no scenario where Raiden gets detected and doesn't know well ahead of time.
I'm going to stop you right there, mate.
Smoke grenade. Against a guy who can already find his way through his own smoke manipulation. Against a guy who can just dispel the smoke away with his own air manip. This is a wasted action for Raiden if he ever has to resort to this to try and disengage.

Would he? Raiden has two types of time dilation (well actually he only has one, Blade Mode is a flat speed amp, the other is perception and only lasts a split second at a time).
But Blade Mode isn't actually a red flag for this match because this mf also has Blade Mode.
Both of these are going to be very problematic... For Raiden. Keiwa's just going to equalise to those speed amps especially if he himself haven't used his own one yet. Bro, this is a 6x amp we're talking about (2x from Raiden's blade mode and 3x from Tycoon Ninja speed boost). This is even worse when you account that Boostriker is always faster than their users, which will spell trouble as he's also in the fight too. Not just Tycoon and his clones.

Speaking of clones, he can have from 3 to 20 (idc whatever the hell you say Eden) summoned at a time, and surprisingly, the summoning process is thought based, so if one clone is down, another can easily pop back in.

He probably wouldn't know about electricity for a variety of reasons, but he'd know enough about everything else.
Ngl emitting electricity while eating up someone else's electricity without getting adverse effects is pretty suspect, and Keiwa's one of those guys that are deceptively perceptive of shit like this. In a certain minigame, he's able to deduce the method to defeat the poker card jyamatos by having him and his partner defeat the matching pair, which only Ace of all people had gotten at the time, all on his own, although being paired with a bull-headed construction worker meant he wasn't able to act on it.

I'm not quoting anyone specific for this one because this is more of me backing Reaps up on his statement.
Reaps is spot on about the fact that Tycoon will pick up on the properties of the sword by the recording of the fight against Alarak. It's not everyday one could see an alien get stripped of his armor cuz some cyborg ninja guy is accurate enough to slice it up to ribbons. Kamen Rider armors also don't usually break apart when they fight and defeat each other. It's kinda a staple in Kamen Rider as a whole, where armor breaking/helmet shattering moments mean real business, either showing the tenacity in which the Rider is fuelled with to defeat their opponents, or how stupidly strong the opponent is. Slicing through armor as clean as I cut my steak up, let alone doing the same with the aoe range slash of doom is by no doubt something big is at play. There's no way Tycoon is going to think anything else other than the fact the sword is real dangerous and he should avoid/deal with it as fast as possible.

And even if he somehow doesn't pick up on it, the fact that his weapons are going to duranegged, and he's actually fast enough to TP out of a sticky situation means that he's going to know about it rather quickly without actually giving up his win or life for it.

Also rq. How does the HF Sword and its aoe slashes and shit deal with energy? Because Geats Riders kits really incorporate a whole lot of energy pizzazz into their attacks. Kamen Rider Physiology allows for the interaction of energy at a quantum scale, so I'm basically asking if Tycoon's energy slash would slash up Raiden's own energy slash and cancel it out, cancel each other out, or the complete opposite.
 
Third post.
Bro, I legitimately forgot that Tycoon has one easy way of beating Raiden here.
His hacking. The Spider Phone Tycoon has is able to hack 4-D Tech made by the future humans, and Raiden's tech is just 3-D. Though yea, his hacking does require contact, but if Keiwa's able to catch Raiden unawares long enough to plant this somewhere, Raiden's toast.
 
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Bro, I legitimately forgot that Tycoon has one easy way of beating Raiden here.
His hacking. The Spider Phone Tycoon has is able to hack 4-D Tech made by the future humans, and Raiden's tech is just 3-D. Though yea, his hacking does require contact, but if Keiwa's able to catch Raiden unawares long enough to plant this somewhere, Raiden's toast.
Raiden can deal with getting stealthfucked by folks who'd outsneak Tycoon any day of the week.

He does this then gets his belt buckle destroyed and he's yiffed by class G Cyborg hands.
 
Raiden can deal with getting stealthfucked by folks who'd outsneak Tycoon any day of the week.
I don't really mean stealth in that way.
Tycoon pops in with TP, slaps that shit on his back, then TPs out of Raiden's next attack
???
Profit.
Hell, he himself doesn't need to do this, since his clones retain the equipment that the original will have on their person, so even using the clones as a sacrifice for a hacking ploy works wonders! Same with Boostriker!

He does this then gets his belt buckle destroyed and he's yiffed by class G Cyborg hands.
Funny, since even civilian form Keiwa still has the desire amp for equalisation, otherwise he wouldn't be able to fight through monsters far higher than his base stats ninja style. Here's another scan of Keiwa with the others getting ambushed by still equalising with their enemies right there and then.
 
All the other junk is sorta irrelevant if Keiwa just amps to Raiden's Blade Mode speed, Raiden can't really do much to someone x10 his speed
 
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