Father and Son from different continuities fight it out [Bardock (Dragon Ball Z Toei) vs Goku (Dragon Ball Z Manga)] (0-4-0)

[Supersonicmaker]

Bardock's Episode of Bardock key is used

Goku's Early Cell Saga key is used

Both start in Super Saiyan

Speed is equalized

Bardock:

• AP/Durability: Scales to at least 4.215 KiloQuettatons
• LS: Scales to at least 1.12510471 Trillion Metric Tons

Goku:

• AP/Durability: Scales to 5.92986678 KiloQuettatons
• LS: Scales to at least 3,002,361.41 Tons

Goku has a 1.406848584x AP/Dura advantage
Bardock has a 374,739.932x LS advantage
The Father:

The Son:
GAGGamerTheOverlord
Kellex
Muteki616
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Incon:

 

[Supersonicmaker]

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[Nonynho]

Ok, the LS diff is way too extreme for any fight to happen, today

 

[Supersonicmaker]

while the ls diff is extreme to the point where bardock could maybe(?) ls tear goku, i’m pretty sure bardock isn’t that much of a grappler
goku is also much more skilled of a fighter, and i’m sure with the 1.4x ap gap he should be able to put down bardock

 

[YuseiDragon1]

leaning Goku, Bardock is not the type to be tearing people apart and Goku isnt the type to allow himself to be grabbed if he knows his foe is tearing his arm apart and letting him him do that until its too late

 

[Nonynho]

The thing is that they can measure each other's strength, so by knowing that this guy would be vaporized after being pushed by a ki blast, gg is inevitable

 

[GAGGamerTheOverlord]

Ki toei also attacks the soul?

 

[Nonynho]

Ki toei also attacks the soul?

Not in a Soul Manipulation sense of things

why u ask?

 

[GAGGamerTheOverlord]

Not in a Soul Manipulation sense of things

why u ask?

I look at the Ki section of toei and I don't see any damage to the soul like the manga does...

 

[Nonynho]

I look at the Ki section of toei and I don't see any damage to the soul like the manga does...

Why does it matter when any attack from Bardock would maul Goku?

 

[GAGGamerTheOverlord]

Why does it matter when any attack from Bardock would maul Goku?

I mean, you'll both look at each other in those meters or kilometers away and feel each other's power, and say "Or yes, this guy very similar to me has a similar power" but Goku with his attacks has more AP and soul manipulation that the latter Bardock does not resist, Goku has better combat conditions and resistance, in addition to teleporting to shorten his distance surprising Bardock or (if Goku can feel that Bardock has greater LS) escape from an attack that destroys any part of Goku, if Bardock cannot resist Goku's soul haxs, it is difficult for him to stay here, and the AoE he has with his attacks would surprise Bardock by damaging him, the Ozaru would already not be a great wincon for Bardock

 

[Supersonicmaker]

there’s also the fact that bardock’s tail is a weakness and can be grabbed by goku to weaken him

 

[Nonynho]

I mean, you'll both look at each other in those meters or kilometers away and feel each other's power, and say "Or yes, this guy very similar to me has a similar power" but Goku with his attacks has more AP and soul manipulation that the latter Bardock does not resist, Goku has better combat conditions and resistance, in addition to teleporting to shorten his distance surprising Bardock or (if Goku can feel that Bardock has greater LS) escape from an attack that destroys any part of Goku, if Bardock cannot resist Goku's soul haxs, it is difficult for him to stay here, and the AoE he has with his attacks would surprise Bardock by damaging him, the Ozaru would already not be a great wincon for Bardock

First of all: i just noticed that this Soul manip you're talking about is in the Mastery section, not exclusive to any canon, meaning he does resist it, so that's not a wincon for Goku

2nd- Attack null is common for them both, Master level at ki manips. By saying that Goku's simple strategies would 100% end Bardock you're completely downplaying the guy who's also a pretty impressive fighter

3rd- who's talking about oozaru? he can just go Super Saiyan, no moon is appearing atm

 

[GAGGamerTheOverlord]

First of all: i just noticed that this Soul manip you're talking about is in the Mastery section, not exclusive to any canon, meaning he does resist it, so that's not a wincon for Goku

2nd- Attack null is common for them both, Master level at ki manips. By saying that Goku's simple strategies would 100% end Bardock you're completely downplaying the guy who's also a pretty impressive fighter

3rd- who's talking about oozaru? he can just go Super Saiyan, no moon is appearing atm

Oh then forget what I said about soul manip

Yes, Bardock is a very skilled fighter, but not at Goku's level, I really think there is a somewhat notable difference in skills, in addition, Goku can mow him, attack him while he is mowed, or even a Kamehameha+Teleport etc

I mean, he is much more inexperienced in this than Goku, if the latter plays (and does) cards where they do not damage his physical integrity, Bardock can be untransformed faster

 

[Nonynho]

Yes, Bardock is a very skilled fighter, but not at Goku's level, I really think there is a somewhat notable difference in skills, in addition, Goku can mow him, attack him while he is mowed, or even a Kamehameha+Teleport etc

wym Goku can mow him? wtf?
Kamehameha+TP is not something Goku initiates with IC

Thing is that Bardock can (and will) inevitably attack before Goku can do anything to incap him, and when he attacks, his LS will make Goku's bones into dust due to the LS diff

 

[Supersonicmaker]

can the LS actually do the whole “turning goku’s body into a fine mist” thing? i thought it would just make it so that goku would just get knocked back/ragdolled by any hits bardock might land. i might have to give goku prior knowledge of the LS if so

 

[Nonynho]

can the LS actually do the whole “turning goku’s body into a fine mist” thing? i thought it would just make it so that goku would just get knocked back/ragdolled by any hits bardock might land. i might have to give goku prior knowledge of the LS if so

The thing is that Goku would have to win without ever being touched even by the wind generated by the attacks

 

[GAGGamerTheOverlord]

wym Goku can mow him? wtf?
Kamehameha+TP is not something Goku initiates with IC

Thing is that Bardock can (and will) inevitably attack before Goku can do anything to incap him, and when he attacks, his LS will make Goku's bones into dust due to the LS diff

don't cut it literally, it was an expression, but yes, you talk about Goku as if it weren't a big deal, when here he is the nerdiest in this fight, beyond that, if he puts his mind to it (I never said I would start with Kamehameha+TP from the beginning) like I said, you can use it

 

[Nonynho]

don't cut it literally, it was an expression, but yes, you talk about Goku as if it weren't a big deal, when here he is the nerdiest in this fight, beyond that, if he puts his mind to it (I never said I would start with Kamehameha+TP from the beginning) like I said, you can use it

The thing is that you still have to prove me that he'd to so before Bardock has the opportunity of an attack

 

[GAGGamerTheOverlord]

The thing is that you still have to prove me that he'd to so before Bardock has the opportunity of an attack

Yeah well, I mean...
Goku:

Master Martial Artist ,Instinctive Action, Acrobatics, Enhanced Analytical Prediction, Information Analysis , etc

Bardock:

Enhanced senses (at levels that Goku inherently already reaches or exceeds) and acrobatics (which I don't think reach Goku's level)

Goku is much better than Bardock in this fight, if he can feel the LS (which I think he does) nothing stops Goku from overwhelming in this fight, if an attack is complicated for some strange reason, he has TP (while (although I think I wouldn't) has increased statistics through Kaio Ken, goku himself can surprise Bardock off guard in TP, and let's not forget the increase in AP and damage he has with the Kamehameha

 

[Nonynho]

Goku is much better than Bardock in this fight

You say by poiting out things which some Bardock has too (like martial arts and acrobatics?) and others that literally do not guarantee the condition i've shown would be necessary for Goku to win here

if he can feel the LS (which I think he does) nothing stops Goku from overwhelming in this fight, if an attack is complicated for some strange reason, he has TP (while (although I think I wouldn't) has increased statistics through Kaio Ken, goku himself can surprise Bardock off guard in TP

Something he never does IC against any foe he faces before going CQC
Would be pretty smart, 100% the correct move... But it's not what Goku does.

and let's not forget the increase in AP and damage he has with the Kamehameha

Which is not what he does IC either, against any foe
Specially if this foe is clearly a saiyan. Worse: who looks like him.

 

[Kellex]

Goku never thought of kamehameha + instant transmission until perfect cell, he doesn't use it at the start anyway.

Which is not what he does IC either, against any foe
Specially if this foe is clearly a saiyan. Worse: who looks like him.

What did you mean by this?

You say by pointing out things which some Bardock has too (like martial arts and acrobatics?) and others that literally do not guarantee the condition i've shown would be necessary for Goku to win here

Just because they both have it doesn't mean they're on the same level. This isn't to say Bardock's martial arts is not impressive, but this Goku quite literally had to go through hell on Namek and actually fight other Master Martial Artists like, ya know, Frieza. Not to mention Goku has more techniques and is generally smarter when it comes to combat by having enhanced analytical prediction and strategic information analysis.

 

[Nonynho]

What did you mean by this?

what you said above+ that Manga Goku has never faced a saiyan (and the last mysterious one he met was Trunks, so seeing another one outta nowhere would be quite weird) that looked like himself, and this can produce many differences from a scenario where he's fighting other types of people

Just because they both have it doesn't mean they're on the same level. This isn't to say Bardock's martial arts is not impressive, but this Goku quite literally had to go through hell on Namek and actually fight other Master Martial Artists like, ya know, Frieza. Not to mention Goku has more techniques and is somewhat smarter when it comes to combat by having enhanced analytical prediction and strategic information analysis.

But the point is that this is not enough to, in this scenario, end Bardock before he can attempt anything and the exertion of his LS immediately kill Goku

 

[GAGGamerTheOverlord]

You say by poiting out things which som Bardock has too (like martial arts and acrobatics?) and others that literally do not guarantee the condition i've shown would be necessary for Goku to win here

If we compare what Bardock has and what Goku has, it's a boxer vs a UFC champion

Something he never does IC against any foe he faces before going CQC
Would be pretty smart, 100% the correct move... But it's not what Goku does.

Goku can go IC as a first move, the Ki reading says "oh look at that guy, you can damage him, but he has much better physical prowess, muuuuuch better" he opts for CQC against people who normally don't transcendally surpass him in power, and while Goku knows exactly where Bardock is dangerous, the other doesn't have his scouter, can't properly sense his power, and has more inexperience with the SSJ and as I said is very inferior in combat

Which is not what he does IC either, against any foe
Specially if this foe is clearly a saiyan. Worse: who looks like him.

Men yeah, but nothing stops him from sensing Bardock's power, using TP to get out of trouble or surprise Bardock, blinding him, using Kamehameha to blast Bardock (although at that time I don't think he'd do the same as he did with Cell) or literally "oh he's a Saiyan and he has a tail" and proceed to grab it to have Bardock at Goku's mercy

 

[Kellex]

what you said above+ that Manga Goku has never faced a saiyan (and the last mysterious one he met was Trunks, so seeing another one outta nowhere would be quite weird) that looked like himself, and this can produce many differences from a scenario where he's fighting other types of people

What? I don't see how the looks of his opponent has anything to do with the battle when Goku can predict Bardock's attacks/movement and sense his intent from the start of battle. One of his first interactions with Trunks when they turned Super Saiyan was quite literally sensing his intent lmao.

But the point is that this is not enough to, in this scenario, end Bardock before he can attempt anything and the exertion of his LS immediately kill Goku

If Bardock tries to grab him, Goku can sense something like this and avoid it.

EDIT: Goku can also just grab Bardock's tail too.

 

[Kellex]

If we compare what Bardock has and what Goku has, it's a boxer vs a UFC champion

Listen, I also think Goku takes this, but c'mon don't do Bardock dirty like that lol.

 

[GAGGamerTheOverlord]

Listen, I also think Goku takes this, but c'mon don't do Bardock dirty like that lol.

Well, I mean, within what Goku has, and within what Bardock has, what Goku did up to this part of Cell+the abilities that I said he has well...Goku surpasses a lot

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Goku has every advantage here except for LS, which Bardock does actually abuse as a Super Saiyan as literally all of his attacks on Chilled were LS based.

 

[Supersonicmaker]

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[Muteki616]

Ok, the LS diff is way too extreme for any fight to happen, today

Bardock doesn't grapple fight like this lmao. He's most likely just gonna be tossing Goku around like he did chilled, but with Goku's skill diff and Ap/Dura advantage, this won't mean much in an actual fight. Goku has every advantage and a better understanding of not only ki but also combat.

can the LS actually do the whole “turning goku’s body into a fine mist” thing? i thought it would just make it so that goku would just get knocked back/ragdolled by any hits bardock might land. i might have to give goku prior knowledge of the LS if so

No, lmao bro is exaggerating.

 

[Supersonicmaker]

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[GAGGamerTheOverlord]

The lower class sayan with blonde hair FRA (goku)

 

[Supersonicmaker]

The lower class sayan with blonde hair FRA (goku)

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[Kellex]

I vote for Goku btw

 

[Supersonicmaker]

I vote for Goku btw

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[Muteki616]

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