The idea that Morris can only dismantle magic is based solely on assumption, and he demonstrated that his magic works on the real thing when he changed the structure of the Qlitphord and when he dismantled all the mages of the Crimson Lion Kings' squad. What you suggest about him only "affecting concepts when used in magic" falls into the category of Plot-Induced Stupidity because there is no direct statement or implication that his dismantling only works on magical things; in fact, it's the exact opposite. When he interferes with Vanessa's destiny magic, he declares himself capable of affecting "concepts" (General term) not "the magical concept of destiny"(Specific term).
I've already explained most of these things, and some are already present in OP itself. The Black Clover universe works with "emanations," where you could say that within the same universe there are realms/worlds of different qualities. The Level 1-A being doesn't exist separately from the world in an "external reality," but rather is part of the world as an essential attribute that defines it.
There's disagreement within the team, but no arguments regarding it. Most disagreed because there's no R>F, even though I explained that it's a qualitative superiority through the "simple" aspect. Also, my counter-arguments addressed the disagreeing arguments, and almost none have been answered in a way that the Wiki considers valid. We need members with experience in "emanation" and the "simple," which are the two bases of my argument.disagree with everything FRA
edit: also over 3 staff disagreed with this iirc, what's next
From what I read (the first line) it has the same anti-feats for BDE Type 3, like becoming dense enough to stand on,
It can be made up into a larger whole, and is not without parts, both can be taken from the density statement (there are lots of instances of this like with mana zones allowing you to control the mana of a certain area).
That's not true, tier 1-A and above metaphysical aspects can not only exist in lesser realms but also compose them.
How?
It's part of every dimension iirc and makes several dimensions, some characters just use it whenever, it bends the story/plot to whatever the user wants even if it's impossible, stated it's part of the air and is science too. You can read the magic page since I'm not very knowledgeable or remember everything though.
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That’s a direct anti-feat bro, I can probably find an admin saying so in like a few minutes (take that down to 20 seconds)
Magic exists within lesser realms and also composes them. Idc if you disagree or agree with this thread but I was simply responding to what was said here. Magic's 1-A, it's in every dimension and composes them.
That quote turned into a mess.
Causally, yeah, when it comes to composition, no.
"Where" mana is located doesn't really matter; what matters is "how." Scans(1 , 2 ) like the ones you say are anti-made explain how mana exists in the world. It's not physically present, but rather as a fundamental, invisible, and supernatural aspect (which literally means of a superior nature).
This is from the FAQ page tier system, regarding Level 1-A in lower reality levels.
Mereoleona underwent a metaphysical alteration that overwrites from her physical attributes, which in this case is her body being transformed into mana.
This writing is fire
Ah yes the classic "the author didn't want to add more verbiage in his Shonen dialogue fight therefore he was speaking generally and not about the power system of the verse!"
...this directly contradicts a point you made earlier
you said "mana didn't get affected by time magic just her physical body" WHAT PHYSICAL BODY you JUST said her physical attributes were OVERWRITTEN she was given a METAPHYSICAL ALTERATION, and was transformed INTO MANA there is no physical body to reverse if it's all mana )
Julius's temporal magic is a forbidden/underworld magic described as capable of affecting the shapes of souls and the world. This is an inherent characteristic of demonic magic. Julius's temporal magic, belonging to Astaroth, one of the three main demons of the underworld, affecting someone's shape (mana) is entirely consistent with the narrative and is not a anti-feat. The only difference between underworld fire magic and normal fire magic is the ability to affect shape (mana). Furthermore, it's shown in the same arc that even Neverland, which affects even Julius/Lucius's temporal magic, cannot escape Morris's dismantling....this directly contradicts a point you made earlier
(Also as someone who enjoyed the BC anime...I find the idea of Outerversal Black Clover hilariously laughable! It makes even less sense because you're not even scaling this to the characters you're just doing this for verse rating and hax
Okay, why isn't it tier 1? Why would it qualify as tier 2?
Brother forbidden underworld magic or not it literally DOESNT MATTER
other people have already explained you can't hand wave anti feats with "Mana affecting Mana", this just once again means that despite apparently being beyond literally EVERYTHING it's effected by something lesser not to mention would this not temporarily make Mereoleona a 1-A being? She shouldn't be able to exist in the reality without it all collapsing (Hell mana shouldn't be able to exist at all in the physical world if it's ALL 1-A). Another problem, this would mean that literally every character who manipulates and uses Mana has the potential for 1A. we like BC but this is RIDICULOUS
There is no Tier 2.
Where it is located does matter lol, I’m gonna leave this alone now and wait for staff, I don’t have the time to repeat answering the same arguments.
This seemed strange to me at first too, but after researching on the Wiki, reading BC dozens of times, and asking about it in the Q&A section, this is the most consistent way to scale BC, and incredibly, Tábata already has a history of working with this type of power system.(Also as someone who enjoyed the BC anime...I find the idea of Outerversal Black Clover hilariously laughable! It makes even less sense because you're not even scaling this to the characters you're just doing this for verse rating and hax
Ok ,Brother forbidden underworld magic or not it literally DOESNT MATTER
Stop the wank
Just stop dude this wouldn't fly. Ever
No more man. This is too much. Take a diff approach, reanalyze this, get more examples or something. At least start off with Mereleona's acaus 4 looks somewhat more realistic.
I agree with your point, but in my opinion you should have waited until the end of the series before dropping this bomb. It was obvious that everyone would rejectOk ,
The series currently hasn't surpassed tier 5. I know this probably won't be accepted in some way, since Fire Force and TGOHS, which have much more explicit feats and statements, aren't accepted as 1-A. But at least it changes the opinion of some BC supporters like you. Level 1-A isn't an impossible reality, and currently, the way the Wiki is going, nothing that doesn't have R>F will be accepted as 1-A. But I'll continue with the topic since I believe in my arguments and there really haven't been any counter-arguments that are valid according to Wiki standards vsb.
I feel like that's kind of the point, when the tiering system got revised I've always seen it as "1-A is restricted to versed with explicit R>F" which makes sense, it's the reason why we have a Low 1-A that's based on "Transcending dimensions" because those are verses that might have a Qualitative superiority to dimensions or dimensionality but they don't have R>F.
Low 1-A isn't qualitative btw, it is still quantitative
Been a while since I've read the tiering system but as far as I understand it leaves the of quantity behind, you're beyond the quantity of space and time. Even if you don't see the things beneath you as some sort of less than infinitesimal thing, no ordered pair will stack up to you, because you left the ordered pair already.
Incredibly, the most realistic addition here, and the idea that mana is an "indivisible power," comes from a direct statement plus a statement of transcendence.
