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Devil May Cry: Low 1-C

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Reminiscing​

Two years ago, I have made a cosmology upgrade thread where I decided to get 2-A rating through labeling Demon World as infinite container while putting a Low 2-C, 4-dimensional structure within it as a subset of it. After a while, we came to a conclusion that such 4-dimensional structures would not make any difference to a simple countable let alone an uncountable infinite snapshots of a 5-dimensional structure or R^5 in mathematical terms and thus, the idea of 2-A containers was rejected as per this thread made by LordGriffin.

The reason I'm bringing this here because I have made a cosmology blog in there that solidifies the basic structure of the verse, so for that reason, I wish to first lay out how the cosmology works in simple terms:
  • Demon World/Underworld/Darkness/Hell/Heaven - A chaotic realm comprised of pure darkness that contains Humans World and countless other dimension of similar nature.
  • Human World/Line of Light/Mortal Realm - An anomaly among countless countless dimensions that denies the nature of Demon World in which it was born and is separated from it eventually by Demon Lord Pluto.
  • The Veil/Net/Gap - A dimensional wall that separates Human World and Demon World from each other and essentially, acts as a barrier that does not allow Demons of stronger essence into our world.
  • Other Realms - These are basically a set of space-time continuums located within Demon World.
From a visual perspective. it looks like this:

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So, we established the basic structure of the verse. Now what? I first wish to quote some FAQs from the wiki as a basis:

Are higher-dimensional beings infinitely larger than lower-dimensional equivalents?​

In a way, yes, though not how most would think when using this word. Basically, an arbitrary object of dimension n is essentially comprised by the total sum of uncountably infinite objects of one dimension less, which may be described as lower-dimensional "slices", each corresponding to one of the infinite points of a line. For instance, a square is made of infinitely many line segments (Lined up on the y-axis), a cube of infinitely many squares (Lined up on the z-axis), and so on.

One may think of it as a multiplication between sets: For instance, the unit square [0,1]² may be expressed as the product of two unit intervals [0,1] x [0,1], which itself can be visualized as taking "copies" of the first interval and lining them up along each point of the second interval, of which there are uncountably infinitely-many, thus forming a square out of infinite line segments.
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For simple viewers, this means that a higher-dimensional object of dimension N can be understood as being composed of infinitely many lower-dimensional structures of dimension N-1 which is often described as continuous array of "slices." These slices are indexed by real numbers along the additional dimension which results in an uncountably infinite collection of subdivisions with no discrete boundaries between them.

Q: Is a structure bigger than a 2-A structure Low 1-C by default?​

No, the default assumption is that this is not the case. "Bigger" could mean having more 2-A structures and, as explained in greater detail previously, having more 2-A structures, or even infinitely many 2-A structures, unless uncountably infinitely many, won't be above a single 2-A structure in size. This is due to these structures actually having the same size as a baseline 2-A structure. It is, however, possible to at least achieve greater than baseline 2-A power by upscaling from other characters who've performed 2-A feats or of the feats themselves, rather than by affecting 2-A structures containing other 2-A structures. However, if "bigger" is indicated to mean a size difference that makes the structure dimensionally superior to a 2-A structure, the structure qualifies for Low 1-C unless the fiction specifies otherwise.

To elaborate, a structure larger than 2-A meets the requirements for dimensional superiority over them if it either explicitly mentions an uncountably infinite number of universes or has portrayals/statements of being larger than 2-A structures to the point that even infinite multipliers on top of the size of that structure are of no relevance to it. Multiversal structures past Low 2-C frequently have a distance of unknown length along a 5th dimensional axis separating them. That isn't automatically Low 1-C, as for Low 1-C the distance must be known to be of non-insignificant size.

In that regard it is important to consider that, by its nature, it is not possible to accurately depict 5 dimensional space. As such depictions of the multiverse are usually not to be understood as an accurate representation of the distance between the universes, but rather just qualitative analogies of the multiverse's structure.

As usual, evaluation of any additional evidence needs to be done case-by-case.
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This is essentially explaining the limitation of what it means to be "bigger" when dealing with higher-dimensional structures. As noted earlier, a single 2-A structure and multiple (even infinitely many) 2-A structures do not automatically surpass baseline 2-A. This is simply because adding more structures within the same dimensional framework does not create dimensional superiority. From the perspective of a higher dimension, all of those 2-A structures still occupy what amounts to the same position along the higher-dimensional axis, regardless how many are stacked or repeated.

Because of this, multiplying or stacking 2-A structures (even infinitely) makes little to no difference unless the increase involves an uncountably infinite extension or an explicitly higher-dimensional separation. It is possible to exceed baseline 2-A through scaling from feats or characters of equal level but that does not by itself elevate the structure into Low 1-C.

The Arguments​

To start this, I'll be using Peak of Combat as a basis since it is accepted as an alternate timeline to mainline ones as established here. The only thing that wasn't allowed is the scaling as it would scale to itself however anything related to world building is fine, especially considering Capcom has a direct hand over the plot and world building and the author of DMC, Itsuno, quote-on-quote called it "very researched to original work". For more information, I would link a detailed message down here over game's nature if anyone is interested. With this out of the way, I wish to tell you something about a place called "Chaos Timeline".

What is a Chaos Timeline?​

Chaos Timeline is the "cracks" between worlds or realms of Underworld, a place we first seen during Vergil's chapter where he was teleported as a last escape attempt from a deadly attack of Demon Lord Pluto through an artifact called Broken Gear which has the powers to go between past and future and teleport you through alternate timelines.

Next time we see this place is when Dante meets a girl named Lily who possesses the ability to see the future. Together, they set off on a journey during which they encounter Broken Gear. Lily attempts to control its power but she is unable to withstand it and is accidentally transported into the Underworld.

Dante then followed her by traversing the portals Lily left behind through Broken Gear. Eventually, he finds her and Lily explains that they are now in a place known as the Chaos Timeline—a rift between worlds where the laws of space and time are different. In short, it functions as a 5-D interdimensional crossroad between universes. Within Chaos timeline, there is a section of it called "Nightmare Space". This is a space that is ruled by Demon Lord Helfilth whose description states that he is a spirit that is "wandering beyond time and space". Lastly, we also have Demon World and Human World treated as upper and lower realms respectively as a sort of supporting evidence which should seal the deal for any kind of doubts over its transcendent nature by now.

The Significance​

Since we have established a proper 5th dimensional space as well as implications of its transcendent nature to back it up without any single glimpse of being part of other space-times or realms. Now, I would like to discuss why it should rightfully be significant. In this particular scan, we are met with two worlds. These are called Light and Darkness or in better terms, Human and Demon World. There are two details to note here:
  1. The entire bulk of space (Demon World/Darkness) was bluntly stated to be endless in its entirety, not that it expands endlessly. There is a difference between both ideas unless we start declaring infinite universe statement as finite from now on. The raws also says it's infinite Darkness.
  2. The description particularly treats Human World as a line which is essentially the same as saying it's a "slice" as per FAQ mentioned above and thus, qualify it for a lower dimensional object in comparison as lines are fundamental for defining higher dimensions in geometry and mathematics.
With this in mind, I believe it is more than enough evidence to go on with. I have no reason to expand over it from here; that's literally as simple as you can go for this. Unless, we start applying semantics to it.

Conclusion​

To summarize what I’m arguing: Based on the FAQs, what is required is to demonstrate that the Human World is a slice of an infinite, higher-dimensional object—namely the Demon World.

First, I established that the space between universes is separated by a distinct layer of space and time. I have shown that this layer operates under different laws which makes it fundamentally separate and therefore, acts as an undeniable evidence of dimensional stratification or difference. Next, I supported this with transcendent evidence specifically through nightmare space which implies to function beyond the standard universal model and reinforce the higher-dimensional interpretation. Lastly, I have provided a clear and unambiguous description stating that the higher-dimensional object is infinite as a whole, not merely something that expands infinitely. This distinction is explicit and should not be mistaken by anyone familiar with proper literature. Additionally, the description implicitly allows interpretation of "dimensional slices" corresponding to lower-dimensional structures which is represented here by Human World.

Votes​

Agree: @Vietthai96, @Planck69, @KingTempest, @Qawsedf234, @Emirp sumitpo, @Reiner04
Neutral: @DarkDragonMedeus
Disagree: @Agnaa
 
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Just waiting for this to be turned into a Staff Only Thread.

Neutral rn, will wait for further arguments.
 
Accept this so they can fight Woody
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Woody, sometimes titled Sheriff Woody, is one of the main protagonists of the Toy Story franchise. Woody is a 50s-era smart toy that uses a pull string to repeat a select few phrases; however, when Andy (or any other human) isn't watching, Woody and the other toys would "wake up;" that is...
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CastoriceTheFifth said:
Accept this so they can fight Woody
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Woody (Toy Story)

Woody, sometimes titled Sheriff Woody, is one of the main protagonists of the Toy Story franchise. Woody is a 50s-era smart toy that uses a pull string to repeat a select few phrases; however, when Andy (or any other human) isn't watching, Woody and the other toys would "wake up;" that is...
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Woody chilling in 5D meanwhile Rimuru, Anos, Dante struggles to get there
 
SuperSonicTL said:

The Arguments​

To start this, I'll be using Peak of Combat as a basis since it is accepted as an alternate timeline to mainline ones as established here. The only thing that wasn't allowed is the scaling as it would scale to itself however anything related to world building is fine, especially considering Capcom has a direct hand over the plot and world building and the author of DMC, Itsuno, quote-on-quote called it "very researched to original work". For more information, I would link a detailed message down here over game's nature if anyone is interested. With this out of the way, I wish to tell you something about a place called "Chaos Timeline".

What is a Chaos Timeline?​

Chaos Timeline is the "cracks" between worlds or realms of Underworld, a place we first seen during Vergil's chapter where he was teleported as a last escape attempt from a deadly attack of Demon Lord Pluto through an artifact called Broken Gear which has the powers to go between past and future and teleport you through alternate timelines.

Next time we see this place is when Dante meets a girl named Lily who possesses the ability to see the future. Together, they set off on a journey during which they encounter Broken Gear. Lily attempts to control its power but she is unable to withstand it and is accidentally transported into the Underworld.

Dante then followed her by traversing the portals Lily left behind through Broken Gear. Eventually, he finds her and Lily explains that they are now in a place known as the Chaos Timeline—a rift between worlds where the laws of space and time are different. In short, it functions as a 5-D interdimensional crossroad between universes. Within Chaos timeline, there is a section of it called "Nightmare Space". This is a space that is ruled by Demon Lord Helfilth whose description states that he is a spirit that is "wandering beyond time and space". Lastly, we also have Demon World and Human World treated as upper and lower realms respectively as a sort of supporting evidence which should seal the deal for any kind of doubts over its transcendent nature by now.

​

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I dont know if cosmology blog you made relies on PoC fully since you didnt make references page. But wasnt PoC accepted as non canon there. Using it again in args seem bit odd to me
 
SuperSonicTL said:

Reminiscing:​

Two years ago, I have made a cosmology upgrade thread where I decided to get 2-A rating through labeling Demon World as infinite container while putting a Low 2-C, 4-dimensional structure within it as a subset of it. After a while, we came to a conclusion that such 4-dimensional structures would not make any difference to a simple countable let alone an uncountable infinite snapshots of a 5-dimensional structure or R^5 in mathematical terms and thus, the idea of 2-A containers was rejected as per this thread made by LordGriffin.

The reason I'm bringing this here because I have made a cosmology blog in there that solidifies the basic structure of the verse, so for that reason, I wish to first lay out how the cosmology works in simple terms:
  • Demon World/Underworld/Darkness/Hell/Heaven - A chaotic realm comprised of pure darkness that contains Humans World and countless other dimension of similar nature.
  • Human World/Line of Light/Mortal Realm - An anomaly among countless countless dimensions that denies the nature of Demon World in which it was born and is separated from it eventually by Demon Lord Pluto.
  • The Veil/Net/Gap - A dimensional wall that separates Human World and Demon World from each other and essentially, acts as a barrier that does not allow Demons of stronger essence into our world.
  • Other Realms - These are basically a set of space-time continuums located within Demon World.
From a visual perspective. it looks like this:

latest

So, we established the basic structure of the verse. Now what? I first wish to quote some FAQs from the wiki as a basis:


For simple viewers, this means that a higher-dimensional object of dimension N can be understood as being composed of infinitely many lower-dimensional structures of dimension N-1 which is often described as continuous array of "slices." These slices are indexed by real numbers along the additional dimension which results in an uncountably infinite collection of subdivisions with no discrete boundaries between them.


This is essentially explaining the limitation of what it means to be "bigger" when dealing with higher-dimensional structures. As noted earlier, a single 2-A structure and multiple (even infinitely many) 2-A structures do not automatically surpass baseline 2-A. This is simply because adding more structures within the same dimensional framework does not create dimensional superiority. From the perspective of a higher dimension, all of those 2-A structures still occupy what amounts to the same position along the higher-dimensional axis, regardless how many are stacked or repeated.

Because of this, multiplying or stacking 2-A structures (even infinitely) makes little to no difference unless the increase involves an uncountably infinite extension or an explicitly higher-dimensional separation. It is possible to exceed baseline 2-A through scaling from feats or characters of equal level but that does not by itself elevate the structure into Low 1-C.

The Arguments​

To start this, I'll be using Peak of Combat as a basis since it is accepted as an alternate timeline to mainline ones as established here. The only thing that wasn't allowed is the scaling as it would scale to itself however anything related to world building is fine, especially considering Capcom has a direct hand over the plot and world building and the author of DMC, Itsuno, quote-on-quote called it "very researched to original work". For more information, I would link a detailed message down here over game's nature if anyone is interested. With this out of the way, I wish to tell you something about a place called "Chaos Timeline".

What is a Chaos Timeline?​

Chaos Timeline is the "cracks" between worlds or realms of Underworld, a place we first seen during Vergil's chapter where he was teleported as a last escape attempt from a deadly attack of Demon Lord Pluto through an artifact called Broken Gear which has the powers to go between past and future and teleport you through alternate timelines.

Next time we see this place is when Dante meets a girl named Lily who possesses the ability to see the future. Together, they set off on a journey during which they encounter Broken Gear. Lily attempts to control its power but she is unable to withstand it and is accidentally transported into the Underworld.

Dante then followed her by traversing the portals Lily left behind through Broken Gear. Eventually, he finds her and Lily explains that they are now in a place known as the Chaos Timeline—a rift between worlds where the laws of space and time are different. In short, it functions as a 5-D interdimensional crossroad between universes. Within Chaos timeline, there is a section of it called "Nightmare Space". This is a space that is ruled by Demon Lord Helfilth whose description states that he is a spirit that is "wandering beyond time and space". Lastly, we also have Demon World and Human World treated as upper and lower realms respectively as a sort of supporting evidence which should seal the deal for any kind of doubts over its transcendent nature by now.

The Significance​

Since we have established a proper 5th dimensional space as well as implications of its transcendent nature to back it up without any single glimpse of being part of other space-times or realms, Now, I would like to discuss why it should rightfully be significant. In this particular scan, we are met with two worlds. These are called Light and Darkness or in better terms, Human and Demon World. There are two details to note here:
  1. The Darkness (Demon World) was bluntly stated to be endless in its entirety, not that it expands endlessly. There is a difference between both ideas unless we start declaring infinite universe statement as finite from now on. The raws also says it's infinite Darkness.
  2. The description particularly treats Human World as a line which is essentially the same as saying it's a "slice" as per FAQ mentioned above and thus, qualify it for a lower dimensional object in comparison as lines are fundamental for defining higher dimensions in geometry and mathematics.
With this in mind, I believe it is more than enough evidence to go on with. I have no reason to expand over it from here; that's literally as simple as you can go for this. Unless, we start applying semantics to it.

Conclusion​

To summarize what I’m arguing: Based on the FAQs, what is required is to demonstrate that the Human World is a slice of an infinite higher-dimensional object—namely the Demon World.

First, I established that the space between universes is separated by a distinct layer of space and time. I have shown that this layer operates under different laws which makes it fundamentally separate and therefore, acts as an undeniable evidence of dimensional stratification or difference. Next, I supported this with transcendent evidence specifically through nightmare space which implies to function beyond the standard universal model and reinforce the higher-dimensional interpretation. Lastly, I have provided a clear and unambiguous description stating that the higher-dimensional object is infinite as a whole, not merely something that expands infinitely. This distinction is explicit and should not be mistaken by anyone familiar with proper literature. Additionally, the description implicitly allows interpretation of "dimensional slices" corresponding to lower-dimensional structures which is represented here by Human World.
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I agree, everything seems on point to me
 
SuperSonicTL said:

Reminiscing:​

Two years ago, I have made a cosmology upgrade thread where I decided to get 2-A rating through labeling Demon World as infinite container while putting a Low 2-C, 4-dimensional structure within it as a subset of it. After a while, we came to a conclusion that such 4-dimensional structures would not make any difference to a simple countable let alone an uncountable infinite snapshots of a 5-dimensional structure or R^5 in mathematical terms and thus, the idea of 2-A containers was rejected as per this thread made by LordGriffin.

The reason I'm bringing this here because I have made a cosmology blog in there that solidifies the basic structure of the verse, so for that reason, I wish to first lay out how the cosmology works in simple terms:
  • Demon World/Underworld/Darkness/Hell/Heaven - A chaotic realm comprised of pure darkness that contains Humans World and countless other dimension of similar nature.
  • Human World/Line of Light/Mortal Realm - An anomaly among countless countless dimensions that denies the nature of Demon World in which it was born and is separated from it eventually by Demon Lord Pluto.
  • The Veil/Net/Gap - A dimensional wall that separates Human World and Demon World from each other and essentially, acts as a barrier that does not allow Demons of stronger essence into our world.
  • Other Realms - These are basically a set of space-time continuums located within Demon World.
From a visual perspective. it looks like this:

latest

So, we established the basic structure of the verse. Now what? I first wish to quote some FAQs from the wiki as a basis:


For simple viewers, this means that a higher-dimensional object of dimension N can be understood as being composed of infinitely many lower-dimensional structures of dimension N-1 which is often described as continuous array of "slices." These slices are indexed by real numbers along the additional dimension which results in an uncountably infinite collection of subdivisions with no discrete boundaries between them.


This is essentially explaining the limitation of what it means to be "bigger" when dealing with higher-dimensional structures. As noted earlier, a single 2-A structure and multiple (even infinitely many) 2-A structures do not automatically surpass baseline 2-A. This is simply because adding more structures within the same dimensional framework does not create dimensional superiority. From the perspective of a higher dimension, all of those 2-A structures still occupy what amounts to the same position along the higher-dimensional axis, regardless how many are stacked or repeated.

Because of this, multiplying or stacking 2-A structures (even infinitely) makes little to no difference unless the increase involves an uncountably infinite extension or an explicitly higher-dimensional separation. It is possible to exceed baseline 2-A through scaling from feats or characters of equal level but that does not by itself elevate the structure into Low 1-C.

The Arguments​

To start this, I'll be using Peak of Combat as a basis since it is accepted as an alternate timeline to mainline ones as established here. The only thing that wasn't allowed is the scaling as it would scale to itself however anything related to world building is fine, especially considering Capcom has a direct hand over the plot and world building and the author of DMC, Itsuno, quote-on-quote called it "very researched to original work". For more information, I would link a detailed message down here over game's nature if anyone is interested. With this out of the way, I wish to tell you something about a place called "Chaos Timeline".

What is a Chaos Timeline?​

Chaos Timeline is the "cracks" between worlds or realms of Underworld, a place we first seen during Vergil's chapter where he was teleported as a last escape attempt from a deadly attack of Demon Lord Pluto through an artifact called Broken Gear which has the powers to go between past and future and teleport you through alternate timelines.

Next time we see this place is when Dante meets a girl named Lily who possesses the ability to see the future. Together, they set off on a journey during which they encounter Broken Gear. Lily attempts to control its power but she is unable to withstand it and is accidentally transported into the Underworld.

Dante then followed her by traversing the portals Lily left behind through Broken Gear. Eventually, he finds her and Lily explains that they are now in a place known as the Chaos Timeline—a rift between worlds where the laws of space and time are different. In short, it functions as a 5-D interdimensional crossroad between universes. Within Chaos timeline, there is a section of it called "Nightmare Space". This is a space that is ruled by Demon Lord Helfilth whose description states that he is a spirit that is "wandering beyond time and space". Lastly, we also have Demon World and Human World treated as upper and lower realms respectively as a sort of supporting evidence which should seal the deal for any kind of doubts over its transcendent nature by now.

The Significance​

Since we have established a proper 5th dimensional space as well as implications of its transcendent nature to back it up without any single glimpse of being part of other space-times or realms, Now, I would like to discuss why it should rightfully be significant. In this particular scan, we are met with two worlds. These are called Light and Darkness or in better terms, Human and Demon World. There are two details to note here:
  1. The Darkness (Demon World) was bluntly stated to be endless in its entirety, not that it expands endlessly. There is a difference between both ideas unless we start declaring infinite universe statement as finite from now on. The raws also says it's infinite Darkness.
  2. The description particularly treats Human World as a line which is essentially the same as saying it's a "slice" as per FAQ mentioned above and thus, qualify it for a lower dimensional object in comparison as lines are fundamental for defining higher dimensions in geometry and mathematics.
With this in mind, I believe it is more than enough evidence to go on with. I have no reason to expand over it from here; that's literally as simple as you can go for this. Unless, we start applying semantics to it.

Conclusion​

To summarize what I’m arguing: Based on the FAQs, what is required is to demonstrate that the Human World is a slice of an infinite, higher-dimensional object—namely the Demon World.

First, I established that the space between universes is separated by a distinct layer of space and time. I have shown that this layer operates under different laws which makes it fundamentally separate and therefore, acts as an undeniable evidence of dimensional stratification or difference. Next, I supported this with transcendent evidence specifically through nightmare space which implies to function beyond the standard universal model and reinforce the higher-dimensional interpretation. Lastly, I have provided a clear and unambiguous description stating that the higher-dimensional object is infinite as a whole, not merely something that expands infinitely. This distinction is explicit and should not be mistaken by anyone familiar with proper literature. Additionally, the description implicitly allows interpretation of "dimensional slices" corresponding to lower-dimensional structures which is represented here by Human World.
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I agree with what was put on display here. @SuperSonicTL was very careful to address higher dimensional standards. Now that being said, I would like to add one small tidbit that could help what we already have here. Now it should be noted that in the context of DMC it is a rule that any dimension/space shown in the Cosmology blog inherently comes with its own temporal axis as the two qualities are intertwined in DMC. This is important because it tells us that the DW which contains various separate dimensions like the HW or Nirvana realms mentioned above, the DW would itself be a kind of larger space possessing a superior temporal axis akin to a Hypertimeline. This is not an unheard of proposition unique to PoC (not that it would matter even if it was given canonicity works in our favor but still) either given the scan that states time stopped for the DW following its sealing. This is all to say that Low 1-C DW has a lot going for it.
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Accept this so they can fight Woody
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Woody (Toy Story)

Woody, sometimes titled Sheriff Woody, is one of the main protagonists of the Toy Story franchise. Woody is a 50s-era smart toy that uses a pull string to repeat a select few phrases; however, when Andy (or any other human) isn't watching, Woody and the other toys would "wake up;" that is...
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Woody vs nanook soon
 
Neutral for now, ill wait for counter arguments but i cant say i agree for now
 
Okay, so at a glance, this is about this Chaos place being higher dimensional, right? It has a separate space-time, and it is between the worlds or in cracks in them. This sounds viable for another space-time, but may I ask what places it at higher dimensional, and what scales it to who in the cast?

If we're discussing the continuums that are basically tiny doorways and mirrors and such inside the Demon World, that already has an argument for Tier 1, but the Peak of Combat stuff being centre makes it kind of unknown to me.
 
This is how I interpret the 5-D proposal:
  • The human world and demon world (each Low 2-C in size) are seperated by a 5th dimensional axis (which is true as per the faq) and that is nothing more than the chaos timeline.
  • The chaos timeline not only has a different space-time but it also transcends it (supporting evidence for higher dimensional nature)
  • Then the OP proves that darkness in its totality is infinite as per the raws and the world was born of darkness itself, this makes the totality of cosmology infinite in size, thereby extending the 5th axis to infinity and hence qualifies for Low 1-C.
If this is how you're arguing then count me as agreeing for now, also correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Hellformer said:
This is how I interpret the 5-D proposal:
  • The human world and demon world (each Low 2-C in size) are seperated by a 5th dimensional axis (which is true as per the faq) and that is nothing more than the chaos timeline.
  • The chaos timeline not only has a different space-time but it also transcends it (supporting evidence for higher dimensional nature)
  • Then the OP proves that darkness in its totality is infinite as per the raws and the world was born of darkness itself, this makes the totality of cosmology infinite in size, thereby extending the 5th axis to infinity and hence qualifies for Low 1-C.
If this is how you're arguing then count me as agreeing for now, also correct me if I'm wrong.
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Random-Helper323 said:
Okay, so at a glance, this is about this Chaos place being higher dimensional, right? It has a separate space-time, and it is between the worlds or in cracks in them. This sounds viable for another space-time, but may I ask what places it at higher dimensional, and what scales it to who in the cast?

If we're discussing the continuums that are basically tiny doorways and mirrors and such inside the Demon World, that already has an argument for Tier 1, but the Peak of Combat stuff being centre makes it kind of unknown to me.
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