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Ngl, I confused that other dude's reply with yours, my b chat.
This ain't even that good, yet, but it's already way more visually technical than every single fight in Z's manga.
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GRACE [0-0-0] Battle Of The Evil Kings - Demon King Piccolo Vs Grand Regent Thragg
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This ain't even that good, yet, but it's already way more visually technical than every single fight in Z's manga.
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"S-Stomps are bad! Unequalize the speed!"
"Hehehe Thragg speed stomps now and that is fine
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"Hehehe Thragg speed stomps now and that is fine
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Nobody said that. Just that equalizing speed is admitting the other dude kind of loses"S-Stomps are bad! Unequalize the speed!"
"Hehehe Thragg speed stomps now and that is fine
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You are the only one who is still whining about Speed Unequalized after 5 posts, just move on lil bro"S-Stomps are bad! Unequalize the speed!"
"Hehehe Thragg speed stomps now and that is fine
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Whatever. This is unfair and biased.
Voting Piccolo due to skill and ki based ranged attacks.
Voting Piccolo due to skill and ki based ranged attacks.
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Kellex
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Thragg is nearly 13 billion times faster than DK Piccolo, he is not touching Thragg.
This is a stomp.
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"Actually using the characters without giving one an imaginary 1000000x speed amp is biased".
I'm pretty sure this is the most fair and unbiased way to make a match, two mfs in a room blind, no changes.
What skill feats? Thragg has millennia of fighting experience, was taught all forms of martial combat. He also massively upscales this shit
This is from Best Tiger, a skilled street tier, but canonically below Battle Beast, (and tbh post time skip robot thinking on it).
- Hit at least a dozen attackers that had him surrounded with one bullet
- Nailed a backwards shot in the right hand of a man driving a boat
- Broke the netting holding some water jugs up with a ricochet
- When his eyes were open he shot two men in the shoulders with one bullet and broke his restraints with the ricochet
- Lobotomized a man with a bullet
- While restrained he caught a gun with his toes, tossed it into the air, headbutted it at a man and had it land back in his hand while his eyes were open
- Infiltrated a maximum-security prison, broke everyone inside out, and escaped it collapsing in 21 minutes
- Infiltrated Robot's space station without being detected
- Robot compared him to a supercomputer with sidearms (and this dips into other facets)
- Realized Outrun had been possessed due to the slight difference in how she fought and the whistle made by her armpit hair while she ran
- Kept ahead of a speedster in a fistfight because he could predict her movements and know where she'd be/do despite not knowing where she actually was due to said speed
- Knew the exact spot to hit a vault door so it would collapse after Slaying Mantis cut it
Hell, Allen and Thragg are both outright stated to be trained in all manner of combat forms (Allen, who is below Thragg in skill mind you, was trained since birth to be a funny CQC lad).
Also here's the Battle Beast statement.
He's even invented his own unique martial arts and combat styles (plural).
This statement is from early on before Thragg scaling, Battle Beast and normal Viltrumites scale to each other in this facet, the beast Thragg fights is far, far more skilled with a bunch of extra slop (and a comic run) inbetween.
You say ki ranged attacks as well, but Thragg, can:
1. Dodge.
2. Blitz.
3. Also has massive AoE (that I got accepted a few weeks ago, shit I gotta add that...), and can screw the whole planet up by mere collateral via movement, or basic attacks, as in, even if Piccolo tanks, his ass isn't Frieza, he can't survive the aftermath due to his physiological needs.
You're right that Piccolo can one shot with ki attacks, but you need to prove he lands consistently without prior knowledge, at this specific distance to start, before Thragg can reliably pull off his slop first.
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Some of your links don't work. But why do you think that because they're more experienced than Tiger, they'll scale to his skills? I don't think anyone else in the Invincible comics is capable of such accuracy rates."Actually using the characters without giving one an imaginary 1000000x speed amp is biased".
I'm pretty sure this is the most fair and unbiased way to make a match, two mfs in a room blind, no changes.
What skill feats? Thragg has millennia of fighting experience, was taught all forms of martial combat. He also massively upscales this shit
This is from Best Tiger, a skilled street tier, but canonically below Battle Beast, (and tbh post time skip robot thinking on it).
Allen, Thragg, and Battle Beast upscale. Thragg and Battle Beast (peak), fought for 3 days straight, no rest, in pure HTH, so evidently are equal af.
- Hit at least a dozen attackers that had him surrounded with one bullet
- Nailed a backwards shot in the right hand of a man driving a boat
- Broke the netting holding some water jugs up with a ricochet
- When his eyes were open he shot two men in the shoulders with one bullet and broke his restraints with the ricochet
- Lobotomized a man with a bullet
- While restrained he caught a gun with his toes, tossed it into the air, headbutted it at a man and had it land back in his hand while his eyes were open
- Infiltrated a maximum-security prison, broke everyone inside out, and escaped it collapsing in 21 minutes
- Infiltrated Robot's space station without being detected
- Robot compared him to a supercomputer with sidearms (and this dips into other facets)
- Realized Outrun had been possessed due to the slight difference in how she fought and the whistle made by her armpit hair while she ran
- Kept ahead of a speedster in a fistfight because he could predict her movements and know where she'd be/do despite not knowing where she actually was due to said speed
- Knew the exact spot to hit a vault door so it would collapse after Slaying Mantis cut it
Hell, Allen and Thragg are both outright stated to be trained in all manner of combat forms (Allen, who is below Thragg in skill mind you, was trained since birth to be a funny CQC lad).
Also here's the Battle Beast statement.
He's even invented his own unique martial arts and combat styles (plural).
This statement is from early on before Thragg scaling, Battle Beast and normal Viltrumites scale to each other in this facet, the beast Thragg fights is far, far more skilled with a bunch of extra slop (and a comic run) inbetween.
You say ki ranged attacks as well, but Thragg, can:
1. Dodge.
2. Blitz.
3. Also has massive AoE (that I got accepted a few weeks ago, shit I gotta add that...), and can screw the whole planet up by mere collateral via movement, or basic attacks, as in, even if Piccolo tanks, his ass isn't Frieza, he can't survive the aftermath due to his physiological needs.
You're right that Piccolo can one shot with ki attacks, but you need to prove he lands consistently without prior knowledge, at this specific distance to start, before Thragg can reliably pull off his slop first.
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Did I say experienced? No, I didn't. I very explicitly said they're more skilled.
Because they're outright stated to be more skilled than anyone on earth, and 3 of them are noted to be the most skilled fighters in the universe, and they massively end upscaling regardless when you take into account who they all fought (Best Tiger ends up scaling to characters like Brit, and then Tech Jacket, and then Viltrumites, etc).
So not only by statements, but basic A>B>C chains, do they upscale.
Literally Robot. Hell Rex has similar feats.
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I do indeed.
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Do a flip
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I will vote whatever Dr @NikHelton votes for
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Thragg FRA
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Yamcha FRA
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Oh, damn. The translator translated "skilled" as "опытный," which in my language means "experienced."
I understand the logic of these statements, but we don't have anywhere near the feats of demonstrating these skills. This is a highly questionable topic.
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try not to bring up the kny revision challenge impossible
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Why?
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it's a myth
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We do though, the profiles just dogshit.
Guardians of the Globe Vol 1-3, Battle Beast comic, and more all has nice feats like all those BT ones, and the invincible comic very much does have some nice stuff. Hell there's even a random scene of Thragg teaching his kids how to fight involving taking people off guard, staggering and following up as the most basic shit imaginable.
It's not remotely questionable.
Are they stated skilled? Yes.
Do they have feats that corroborate that? Yes.
Not every verse can be MGS and have every single fight scene mocapped by actual military personal, here and there is fine.
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This is fine, but Battle Beast's bread and butter of combat doesn't reflect this.
Unlike true masters like Cap and Batman, whose skills and experiences we can at least trace their skills and experiences, I'm not convinced Thragg is genuinely a "master in every martial arts"
Thragg has also never experienced anything like DKP in terms of ability that we know of.
They show it..
DB hardly has statements of martial arts; it's mostly achievements. Toriyama draws entire combat scenes that last a few chapters.
DKP vs Post Karin Goku being one of them.
I agree. The rules we have for matchups rn is kinda limiting.
Stuff like this is way better IMO.
I see where you're coming from, but there's nothing wrong with skill chains.
I agree with both of you on this topic kinda depends on preference bc we can do the same for DKP.
Voting Thragg for superior LS and Speed.
The blitz and space toss.
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voting thragg fra
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You don't have to be convinced, but it is accepted that Thragg is a master martial artist and is a genius in CQC, in part due to fightingBeast.
- Martial Arts (Viltrumite culture is imperialistic and driven by a doctrine where only the strong should survive. All world-conquering viltrumites would be put through auditions to test their skills and later on train with veterans to better their fighting style. In order to be made regent, Thragg was trained from birth and educated in all manners of combat, tempered to be the strongest viltrumite of all)
- Genius in Combat (Led the Viltrum Empire for thousands of years and kept it's stranglehold on the galaxy even with their dwindling numbers. After his exile, he set in motion the Viltrumite universal conquest again all by himself after conquering Thraxa and producing rapid-aging offsprings to build a giant army from the ground up, as well as training them. In order to be made regent, Thragg was trained from birth and educated in all manners of combat. Matched combat genius Battle Beast in a brutal fight that lasted days until eventually defeating him)
Invincible as a verse has skill feats, a lot even, **** idk if it's just the show at times having fights be omega stomps where the other dude can just maul the other or them cutting out 90% of the mini feats that do showcase skill, but they very much are good in CQC all the same, especially the main brawlers and street goons.
Literally Space racer. In fact that's dude projectiles way more dangerous than Piccolo's.
Yes, combat scenes, yet 99% of it is basic fisticuffs on repeat. Dragon ball past Tien, and ESPECIALLY in Z where it becomes entirely just high speed blows 99% of the time, is not displaying actual meaningful anything on panel.
Yeah ngl, that scene is highkey kind of what I mean.
Why is almost EVERY punch landing? It's not like they're even subtle, almost every blow has a tremendous tell to it, Goku does a huge reel back and Piccolo just eats in the face, Goku just stands there as Piccolo retaliates with a blind over head punch, why does Piccolo do NOHING to dodge or even block Goku lunging from like 20ft away punching him directly in the chest, into a kick no less, literally nothing is done? Why does Piccolo REACT to Goku jumping up from below, and then just do nothing and eats a full blown kick that Goku reeled back into, Piccolo def had time to block that, why does Goku jump at Piccolo who's going into a kick, and then just eats the kick like he doesn't even do anything when he could've? the most skille thing in that entire fight, is Goku doing a backflip (after eating a obvious blow). There's almost no technical skill there, and Piccolo gets tagged by mundane stuff.
It's nothing beyond a standard brawl.
That random 5 second gif I posted earlier is arguably ong > that alone.
Mayhaps we just have very different definitions of what counts as skill, but I'm not seeing Goku nor Piccolo do anything in that exchange, honestly, the most I got from it is that both are willing to just eat massive wind ups.
I didn't stutter. Early DB has some actual practical examples, but the deeper into the manga it goes, the less it focuses on martial arts at all, almost every fighting the actual Z manga is fisticuffs or brawling. It's legit like the stronger they get the less skill they display or some shit.
It is. It actually uses the characters as they are. If a character needs massive handicaps to fight another, they just shouldn't be fighting to begin with tbh, like just pick someone else at that point.
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Since Piccolo has no way to beat Thragg this is a stomp and just requested to be removed.
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Didn't you just say Piccolo wins via ki blasts?
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Tragg will kill him a million times before the qi blast moves a millimeter.
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He said it, not me
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I'll add up the votes by the end of the day, starting from Page 2. Also, to those saying it is a stomp, You do realize Piccolo grazes Thragg and kills him, or he just Ki Nukes everything
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Alright counting votes:
Piccolo: @Mgebrat282, @YuseiDragon1 (2)
Thragg: @Kellex, @Rex_Eckles, @AmonInChains, @Robo432343, @Shadyboi0, @Supersonicmaker (6)
Chariot190: @NikHelton , @CastoriceTheFifth (2)
I will vote Thragg to start grace
Piccolo: @Mgebrat282, @YuseiDragon1 (2)
Thragg: @Kellex, @Rex_Eckles, @AmonInChains, @Robo432343, @Shadyboi0, @Supersonicmaker (6)
Chariot190: @NikHelton , @CastoriceTheFifth (2)
I will vote Thragg to start grace
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Wild that this is Thragg's first win
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Voting for myself ig
Id beat both tbh
Id beat both tbh
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Yeah that's going right up their ass tbh.
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