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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

KingTempest said:
Neat coming from my hero
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TheRustyOne said:
Weakened All Might's travel speed is pretty good.

I'm getting Mach 80+ from when he both arrives and leaves Okinawa. That's pretty good.

Something to keep in mind when we do the travel speed revisions.

However, there was something I couldn't ignore. A clear bullet speed comparison for O'Clock.

That gun looks like a Glock.?

The bullet velocity is 375 m/s.

Bullet's Distance = 97 px

Time = 97/375 = 0.25866666666

O'Clock's Distance = 1047 px (He throws out four punches, so this is higher, but I'm not calculating that right now.)

O'Clock's Speed = 1047/0.25866666666 = 4047.68 m/s or Mach 11.8 (Hypersonic)

That's not a bad feat at all.
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Not seen the episode yet. Is this base speed, casual overclock speed or max overclock speed?
 
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Kinda tough to accept All Might jumping around at such a distance while Deku didn't to get back to the fight.

Deku wanted Bakugo dead, it is known.
 
This is an undeniable "pot calling the kettle black" situation lol and it applies to a good chunk of verses in the wiki.


Reyne said:
Kinda tough to accept All Might jumping around at such a distance while Deku didn't to get back to the fight.
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Even without this new travel speed feat to compare, Deku taking that long to get to the Sky Coffin has always been stupid.
 
Mazdoesstuff said:
Tfw 40c Luffy can travel around the diameter of the One Piece world in 1/12th of a second and could probably find the One Piece in two hours even with a lunch break
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#1 this ain't true, it'd take more like 4/10ths
#2 you're funny
#3 them relativistic fighters jets could probably do it too instead of taking seconds to get to their location
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Yall should just shake hands and just point and laugh at JJK instead
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I agree with this sentiment, but it is eye rolling seeing some (not all, just some) peeps in this thread dog on one piece for being ftl when their verse is about to be ftl as well...for honestly similar reasons (laser dodge merchants).
 
Metalballrun said:
There is no such feat of Luffy having Infinite Speed in Movie Red.
Just like there are no statements about the X-66 being transonic.
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Presumably it’s cos All Might says Iida (explicitly transonic travel speed) is the only one who can get Shoto to Dabi in time. The problem there though is that the jets would have to land, get Shoto on board, fly to Dabi’s location, land again and then drop Shoto off. Also there’s different translations of that scene in which All Might says Half Cold Half Hot and Engine are the only things that can stop Dabi which can be interpreted differently to just assuming Iida is faster (also there is a big difference in fiction between reaction and travel speed, unless you believe that either every Monsterverse character is subsonic or the atomic breath took 5 hours to travel to Hollow Earth in GVK despite the time of day being the same during Godzilla and Kong’s fight)
 
I don't know what all of these are even necessary for. The transonic statement came from a random police force worker regarding Iida and compares him to a fighter jet. That's all there is to it. The X-66 does not factor to the conversation.
Iida and Shoto were the only ones who could stop Dabi because there was literally no one else available. If they had Kurogiri's power then that would've been the best case scenario.
 
Metalballrun said:
There is no such feat of Luffy having Infinite Speed in Movie Red.
Just like there are no statements about the X-66 being transonic.
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Fighter jets are stated to be Transonic

X-66 is a fighter jet
myheroacademia.fandom.com

X-66

The X-66 is a fighter jet used by the U.S. Air Force. The X-66 is a single seat, combat-oriented aircraft. Black colored, it has a flying wing design with a triangular shape, a short fuselage, curved surfaces, and large flat areas on the top and bottom of the plane.[1] Its main weapon is a laser...
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Would be incredibly disingenuous to say x-66s are millions of times faster than other fighter jets lmao

Its even consistent with it being impressive for top heroes like Endeavor to run at supersonic speeds and Prime All Might being able to run at mach 10. If iida's quirk speed at the very beginning of series is really meant to be nearly mach 7 then he would literally only be slightly slower than prime all night's travel speed and is contradicted by a stronger iida's max speed while amped by ice being only Transonic. Horikoshi clearly has a vision for how fast these characters are meant to run

Don.t be mistakened, I'm saying we gotta cap combat at mach 10 lol but this is a huge anti feat for Radio Waves being lightspeed and should serve as speed cap for the low tiers as 5% Deku moves a comparable distance to a version of iida who is far below his amped Transonic feat

Plus it even being remotely impressive for Edgeshot to transform at supersonic speeds, which he does use his transformation speed to attack, while being rank 4-5. Same dude's guidebook speed is also listed as S lol (The Ultra Analysis guidebook covers up to chapter 235)
 
Fighter jets are stated to be Transonic

X-66 is a fighter jet
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Deku is a hero, he is 6-A
Mineta is a hero, he's 6-A?

Would be incredibly disingenuous to say x-66s are millions of times faster than other fighter jets lmao
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I don't believe it is disingenuous to say that a nuclear bomb is stronger than a frag grenade, but by this logic they both classify under explosives so they must have the same yield.

The rest is irrelevant yap (to the main topic about the fighter jets). Transonic Iida being an anti-feat is obvious, but old news, everyone knows it, and it's not the only anti-feat MHA has. Horikoshi having a completely different vision about MHA's speed level is also old news and something most of the fans in this thread believe in anyways (because that's pretty much 99% of the verses ever in history).

I personally have 0 problems with these views btw, my position when discussing things in the wiki has always been critical. But the point is there is 0 statements of X-66 being transonic, and assuming it is transonic because it happens to be a fighter jet as well is just Post-TS Usopp levels of dumb. Fighter jets have different speed based on model although it would be really funny if MHA USA's best fighter jets are slower than Lockheed Martin's IRL.
 
Metalballrun said:
The rest is irrelevant yap (to the main topic about the fighter jets). Transonic Iida being an anti-feat is obvious, but old news, everyone knows it, and it's not the only anti-feat MHA has. Horikoshi having a completely different vision about MHA's speed level is also old news and something most of the fans in this thread believe in anyways (because that's pretty much 99% of the verses ever in history).
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And everyone has ignored the massive elephant because...?

The idea of everyone being aware and straight up ignoring the author's speed intents for high calc numbers is not a good look
Metalballrun said:
Deku is a hero, he is 6-A
Mineta is a hero, he's 6-A?


I don't believe it is disingenuous to say that a nuclear bomb is stronger than a frag grenade, but by this logic they both classify under explosives so they must have the same yield.
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Not even remotely close to what I'm arguing
Deki and Mineta both being heroes says nothing since there isn't a general statement about heroes like "Heroes are 6-A"

Same thing with nukes and grenades, there isn't something that lumps their yield together like "explosives explode with 1 megajoule of force"

Its directly stated that Fighter Jets, which would apply generally to all fighter jets, are Transonic
Metalballrun said:
I personally have 0 problems with these views btw, my position when discussing things in the wiki has always been critical. But the point is there is 0 statements of X-66 being transonic, and assuming it is transonic because it happens to be a fighter jet as well is just Post-TS Usopp levels of dumb. Fighter jets have different speed based on model although it would be really funny if MHA USA's best fighter jets are slower than Lockheed Martin's IRL.
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Irl fighter jets reach up to supersonic speeds, their typical flying speeds are Subsonic in range. Transonic isn't mentioned as being the max speed of a fighter jet, so it's not like them being able to reach top irl fighter jet speeds is contradicted at all

X-66 dodges radio waves while not at top speed. Unless we say the casual speed of a x-66 is millions of times faster than the stated speed of other fighter jets, clearly Radio Waves can't be lightspeed


The fighter jet thing is not the only reason I think Radio Waves shouldn't be lightspeed tho

Radio waves also looks nothing like the x-66's laser beams or armored all might's which are both accepted as lightspeed. I mean just look it, idfk how it's lightning-like appearance didn't disqualify it

And also it being depicted slower than x-66's beams, stars & stripes is able to jump out of the way from Radio Waves while she has to grab the beams. Incomplete shigaraki whose comparable to her also didn't jump away from the x-66 beams when Stars & Stripes can jump away from Radio Waves at a similar distance
You can directly see how the beams are depicted as instant compared to Radio Waves
 
Lilybitdun said:
The idea of everyone being aware and straight up ignoring the author's speed intents for high calc numbers is not a good look
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As long as you can cite the exact author's intent is, feel free to create a CRT. I don't disagree with the possibility of downgrades as long as it's reasonable and well done.
Lilybitdun said:
Not even remotely close to what I'm arguing
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Actually it's the exact same thing.
Lilybitdun said:
Its directly stated that Fighter Jets, which would apply generally to all fighter jets, are Transonic
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Wrong. You even posted the scan yourself. The character states that Iida is transonic, just like fighter jets.
It does not say that all fighter jets are transonic, or implies that, at all. You can twist that quote all you want. It just seems greatly disingenuous.
Lilybitdun said:
X-66 dodges radio waves while not at top speed. Unless we say the casual speed of a x-66 is millions of times faster than the stated speed of other fighter jets, clearly Radio Waves can't be lightspeed
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These are all meaningless to me. I don't care if you don't think the X-66 are relativistic or FTL or whatever. I'd be interested if you find more counter-arguments for it other than "Radio waves can't be lightspeed" lol

I just think the X-66 being transonic due to Iida's statement is completely and utterly moronic. That's all.
Lilybitdun said:
Radio waves also looks nothing like the x-66's laser beams or armored all might's which are both accepted as lightspeed. I mean just look it, idfk how it's lightning-like appearance didn't disqualify it
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Advice: radio waves are considered light speed because radio waves are light speed, btw. It's like disproving that light actually does not move at light speed.
So what you should be arguing for that Shigaraki's radio waves are not behaving like real radio waves, or it isn't radio waves at all, and thus may not be light speed.
It's not supposed to look like a light beam. Radio waves are invisible IRL, and are waves, not beams.
 
Lilybitdun said:
Horikoshi clearly has a vision for how fast these characters are meant to run
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Horikoshi says that Prime All Might can run at Mach 10. At the same time, Mirio is utterly flabbergasted at seeing Gearshift Izuku move at supersonic speeds, despite fighting someone who is stated to be as fast as Prime All Might. Shigaraki had just defeated Mirko, Tamaki, and Nejire. He ignored Mirio because Mirio was difficult to hit.

Mirio seen supersonic movement before. In canon, even All Might’s public speed is described as faster than a speeding bullet.

While Weakened All Might is slower than Prime All Might, Weakened All Might is still at least supersonic.

Lady Nagant was able to shoot Shigaraki from 200 km away. While people don't like the feat, there’s nothing in the story that directly contradicts it. She is never stated to be closer or have teleported, and assuming the author "forgot" her position would be baseless.

Regarding Endeavor and Hood, Endeavor is depicted as slower and weaker than Hood in battle, but the Ultra Analysis book rates Endeavor as stronger and faster.

Recipro Turbo Iida can avoid attacks from Near High-End Nomus, who have superior stats to the USJ Nomu. He even outpaces them to save Best Jeanist and keeps pace with Bakugo’s Cluster and Nejire. See the problem? Is Weakened All Might slower than transonic?

A line from a police officer saying that transonic speed is like a fighter jet doesn’t mean that all fighter jets are capped at transonic speed. Real-world fighter jets can exceed Mach 1, so the line only means Iida is moving at transonic speed.

You might interpret feats differently, and the series is inconsistent. Horikoshi is inconsistent.

It’s fine to interpret these feats in the way that makes the most sense to you, but try not to act like you understand what the author is thinking about.

I don't know your exact problem, but a CRT discussing travel speed is being planned, and has been for a long time. I don't know if anybody has Relativistic+ travel speed.

Speed Page: "Speed is simply how fast a character can move in a given amount of time. There are five types of speed used for VS purposes: Attack Speed, Combat Speed, Reaction Speed, Travel Speed, and Flight Speed. The term "Speed" normally refers to Combat Speed."

I forgot, do we rate anyone as having Relativistic+ travel speed?
 
Also yeah MHA does have multitudes of explicit double to triple digit mach speed feats even without calculations (or specifically, pixel scaling, which is really what most people complain about because of how unreliable it seems).
I just didn't mention it because I was focused on the semantics of "transonic jets" to avoid getting further away from what I wanted to talk about.
Mommyleona said:
because everyone only cares when its JJK
or BC
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JJK's been a victim of unfortunately not having similar truckload of feats to negate Gege, but if it leads to more accurate profiles then so be it. Maybe Dabura can grace the verse with that recent sub-light speed statements.
As for BC, I'm not up to date with it. It's a multiplier-merchant verse with sporadic light speed statements last I checked, which is more fortunate than its peers.
 
TheRustyOne said:
Horikoshi says that Prime All Might can run at Mach 10. At the same time, Mirio is utterly flabbergasted at seeing Gearshift Izuku move at supersonic speeds, despite fighting someone who is stated to be as fast as Prime All Might. Shigaraki had just defeated Mirko, Tamaki, and Nejire. He ignored Mirio because Mirio was difficult to hit.

Mirio seen supersonic movement before. In canon, even All Might’s public speed is described as faster than a speeding bullet.

While Weakened All Might is slower than Prime All Might, Weakened All Might is still at least supersonic.

Lady Nagant was able to shoot Shigaraki from 200 km away. While people don't like the feat, there’s nothing in the story that directly contradicts it. She is never stated to be closer or have teleported, and assuming the author "forgot" her position would be baseless.

Regarding Endeavor and Hood, Endeavor is depicted as slower and weaker than Hood in battle, but the Ultra Analysis book rates Endeavor as stronger and faster.

Recipro Turbo Iida can avoid attacks from Near High-End Nomus, who have superior stats to the USJ Nomu. He even outpaces them to save Best Jeanist and keeps pace with Bakugo’s Cluster and Nejire. See the problem? Is Weakened All Might slower than transonic?
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That's cause horikoshi is a hack who can't write consistent speed levels, especially in the war arc

That would just make his feats against high-ends nomu outliers since we know his absolute max is Transonic. High-end nomus have to be at least supersonic due to comparably to endeavor being able to make sonic booms while running
He has to accelerate to Transonic so his short burst speed would be below it too.

Kinda has to be outliers for Iida since the Transonic thing happens in the same arc. The story's own logic doesn't line up otherwise

I'm not sure why Nagant's bullet is being brought up, characters who scale to it would already be above the Transonic thing
TheRustyOne said:
A line from a police officer saying that transonic speed is like a fighter jet doesn’t mean that all fighter jets are capped at transonic speed. Real-world fighter jets can exceed Mach 1, so the line only means Iida is moving at transonic speed.
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Well yeah? I already agreed about that earlier?
Anonymous_Learner said:
like, even the Rela+ X-66 people keep yapping about state nothing about the rela+ being travel speed
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Wasnt saying it has rela+ travel speed. Just that Transonic with Relativistic+ reactions for the jets would be silly

But I'll drop it since that hill doesn't need me to die on, there's other reasons that Radio Waves shouldn't be lightspeed that I brought up earlier anyways
 
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