Spamton vs Kaneki (Deltarune vs Tokyo Ghoul) ([ 2-7-3 ]

[Qurbonboev]

Spamton NEO is used
AP and Dura: 513 tonnes of TNT
LS: 122.8 million tons of force

"Tokyo Ghoul EoS" is used
AP and Dura: 893 tonnes of TNT
LS: 79.3 million tons of force

Speed is equalized
Distance is 100 meters
Anything above 8-A is restricted
Kaneki has prior knowledge about Soul damage
SBA otherwise

Salesman: @Arkenis , @Anonymous_Learner

1000-7: @NikHelton , @DarthSorox, @Jackof_noTrades068 , @Foriaa , @LegendariumOfLies , @Mikazzzuchi , @Machmatej

Incon; @M2u12 , @LegendariumOfLies, @StrymULTRA

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Not another Kaneki matchup (Following)

 

[Arkansalter2]

Oh no smoke... you didn't juju on that beat... (following)

 

[NikHelton]

Not another Kaneki matchup (Following)

Bro, it's been almost 3 months since the last match

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Bro, it's been almost 3 months since the last match

And? His supporters (especially you) debate with their life on the line

 

[NikHelton]

And? His supporters (especially you) debate with their life on the line

My inspirations are Erwin Smith and Kamina. I dedicate my heart to debate and put my soul into my drill.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

I remember considering this but idk if kaneki can handle spamtons danmaku

 

[Delusionaltx2]

My inspirations are Erwin Smith and Kamina. I dedicate my heart to debate and put my soul into my drill.

was that a gurren lagann refference?

 

[Foriaa]

• SOUL Manipulation: All the Darkners have demonstrated the ability to attack SOULs with their bullets, which is the essence of one's being.
  
  How exactly does Kaneki deal with this, he has High - Mid Regen in this key and will likely place a Kagune up to stop the bullet, but it damaging the soul isn't anything Kaneki has shown to regen/survive from

Edit : Nvm, this is part 1 EOS, he does not have high - mid here.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

SOUL Manipulation: All the Darkners have demonstrated the ability to attack SOULs with their bullets, which is the essence of one's being.

How exactly does Kaneki deal with this, he has High - Mid Regen in this key and will likely place a Kagune up to stop the bullet, but it damaging the soul isn't anything Kaneki has shown to regen/survive from

Just don't get hit, duh

 

[Foriaa]

Match likely can't happen, if the mf has danmaku + attacks that damage the soul, Kaneki will die from the first couple hits.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Match likely can't happen, if the mf has danmaku + attacks that damage the soul, Kaneki will die from the first couple hits.

yeah he only needs like 2-4 hits i think too

 

[NikHelton]

Match likely can't happen, if the mf has danmaku + attacks that damage the soul, Kaneki will die from the first couple hits.

Does hitting a kagune really affect the soul? I think it needs to hit the body, otherwise, by that logic, hitting a person's hair with spiritual damage would also kill.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Does hitting a kagune really affect the soul? I think it needs to hit the body, otherwise, by that logic, hitting a person's hair with spiritual damage would also kill.

The kagune is still a muscle connected to him no? hitting that would be way more severe than just hair

 

[Foriaa]

Kagune is part of Kaneki's body, stated to be like another limb for him, and the fact that it's ejected from his Kakuho should prolly let u know that it most def can be considered to be

 

[NikHelton]

The kagune is still a muscle connected to him no? hitting that would be way more severe than just hair

Not muscles, but cells bursting from the body. Something close to crystallized blood.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Not muscles, but cells bursting from the body. Something close to crystallized blood.

those are still his cells though...the soul hax just needs to make contact with skin to work

 

[NikHelton]

Kagune is part of Kaneki's body, stated to be like another limb for him, and the fact that it's ejected from his Kakuho should prolly let u know that it most def can be considered to be

The solid form of body parts is usually independent of whether they're attached to your body or not. Kaneki's extraction from the Dragon resulted in the disintegration of the kagune, implying that the kagune isn't a body part in the traditional sense.

 

[Foriaa]

Is there any explicit ruling on this, cause if so, it would likely change my thoughts on this matchup

 

[NikHelton]

those are still his cells though...the soul hax just needs to make contact with skin to work

By this logic, Kaneki's soul, in Dragon form, is the size of Tokyo, but to defeat the Dragon, Kaneki would have to be extracted from all that biomass or killed by Rize. The body is separate and takes precedence in either case.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

By this logic, Kaneki's soul, in Dragon form, is the size of Tokyo, but to defeat the Dragon, Kaneki would have to be extracted from all that biomass or killed by Rize. The body is separate and takes precedence in either case.

If the biomass isn't directly connected to him then yeah ofc it wouldn't work

but his kagune is directly tied to an organ within his back, this would be like piercing his heart rather than just some extracted bio mass

 

[M2u12]

The timing is so bad As soon as my internet is back to normal, I need to rush and finish remaking Kanaki profile by next month lol.

 

[M2u12]

Honestly, I'm worried that Kaneki won't be able to s*it again this Spamton guy at all. Like, how is he supposed to deal with SOUL hax? I've heard that Deltarune/Undertale SOUL hax is insanely broken too.

like at least give him just a bit of knowledge about SOUL hax so he won't try to block it, but will focus purely on dodging instead.

 

[NikHelton]

Honestly, guys, I don't quite understand you. Soulhax usually works as an attack that can't be healed unless you have resistance.

To be effective, it must hit a person's vital organs, not just scratch them. The exception is when a soul is burned or destroyed by a single touch.
A simple scratch from a Soulhax-enhanced weapon won't be fatal. I didn't just use the hair example lightly. By your logic, cutting off a person's finger and hair would cause serious damage to their soul, but that's clearly not the case.

Kaneki, when blocking a kagune attack, won't be able to regenerate a tentacle. You know what he'll do? He'll just create a new one.

Danmaku shouldn't be a huge problem either, considering Koma and Irimi can easily dodge omnidirectional machine gun fire from all directions, and Koma himself can dodge shockwaves and danmaku shots from point-blank range. Kaneki scales above them and still has the advantage of Accelerated Perception and Kakuja Accelerator

 

[NikHelton]

Honestly, I'm worried that Kaneki won't be able to s*it again this Spamton guy at all. Like, how is he supposed to deal with SOUL hax? I've heard that Deltarune/Undertale SOUL hax is insanely broken too.

like at least give him just a bit of knowledge about SOUL hax so he won't try to block it, but will focus purely on dodging instead.

Dodge + Close Encounter + Killing Strike with Kagune

If he receives a soul wound, the damage will cause him to enter a Kakuja state and blitz the enemy.

 

[M2u12]

Oh, and about the whole "does hitting a kagune really affect the soul?" thing I don't think hitting a kagune would actually affect the soul.

In-verse, once RC cells are released from the body, they act more like non-biological material rather than typical organs. Some Ghouls can even detach their kagune to use as traps or to create makeshift Quinques.

So, imo. It debatable that while the Kakuhou, the root of the kagune, should possess a soul, the kagune itself shouldn't.

 

[M2u12]

NikHelton, Why did you comment at the same time as me?

 

[M2u12]

Idk if going Kakuja is the right play here. It makes him mentally unstable, which might mess up his analytical skills and lead him to trade blows, which is the absolute last thing he should be doing in this case.

 

[NikHelton]

NikHelton, Why did you comment at the same time as me?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Ehhh I still don't know about this one

Honestly, guys, I don't quite understand you. Soulhax usually works as an attack that can't be healed unless you have resistance.

To be effective, it must hit a person's vital organs, not just scratch them. The exception is when a soul is burned or destroyed by a single touch.

it's gonna be destroyed in 4 due to how its excepted to work

A simple scratch from a Soulhax-enhanced weapon won't be fatal. I didn't just use the hair example lightly. By your logic, cutting off a person's finger and hair would cause serious damage to their soul, but that's clearly not the case.

In delterunes case the soul is represented as a floating heart, making contact with this heart regardless of how small is typically enough to do damage

Kaneki, when blocking a kagune attack, won't be able to regenerate a tentacle. You know what he'll do? He'll just create a new one.

While I do agree that he could make another one his soul would still be damaged if he tries using his kagune to tank that

Danmaku shouldn't be a huge problem either, considering Koma and Irimi can easily dodge omnidirectional machine gun fire from all directions, and Koma himself can dodge shockwaves and danmaku shots from point-blank range. Kaneki scales above them and still has the advantage of Accelerated Perception and Kakuja Accelerator

Idk I think this might be comparable to spamtons and if so we might have a case here

 

[M2u12]

Ehhh I still don't know about this one


it's gonna be destroyed in 4 due to how its excepted to work

In delterunes case the soul is represented as a floating heart, making contact with this heart regardless of how small is typically enough to do damage

So basically how Soul Hax works in Deltarune is you just have to scratch the soul once and the entire being takes damage?

While I do agree that he could make another one his soul would still be damaged if he tries using his kagune to tank that

If the ACTUALLY kagune takes soul damage, wouldn't that damage just disappear once Kaneki retracts it? lol.

Idk I think this might be comparable to spamtons and if so we might have a case here

Ngl, this looks dodgeable for Kaneki due to Analytical Prediction, Accelerated Perception, Instinctive Action, and Enhanced Senses.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

So basically how Soul Hax works in Deltarune is you just have to scratch the soul once and the entire being takes damage?

yeah basically

If the ACTUALLY kagune takes soul damage, wouldn't that damage just disappear once Kaneki retracts it? lol.

if the kagune is tied to him then he would be the one taking damage

thats why I brought up the fact that the kagune is literally from a muscle in his back so it would be like hitting his heart rather than something minor like his hair

Ngl, this looks dodgeable for Kaneki due to Analytical Prediction, Accelerated Perception, Instinctive Action, and Enhanced Senses.

Yeah thats why I said he should have a case

 

[M2u12]

yeah basically

So how is Kaneki going to deal with that?

if the kagune is tied to him then he would be the one taking damage

thats why I brought up the fact that the kagune is literally from a muscle in his back so it would be like hitting his heart rather than something minor like his hair

Actually, no. It’s not muscle in his back. it’s more like blood-like cells that take the form of tentacles behind him.

But I'm still not entirely sure if the kagune should have a soul linked to it or not, so ig I'm staying neutral on this point for now.

Yeah thats why I said he should have a case

Honestly, the only win con I see for Kaneki is continuously evading attacks and then landing a single strike to a vital point.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

So how is Kaneki going to deal with that?

idk

Actually, no. It’s not muscle in his back. it’s more like blood-like cells that take the form of tentacles behind him.

if their still his cells and those cells are connected to him then it would still be a part of him

But I'm still not entirely sure if the kagune should have a soul linked to it or not, so ig I'm staying neutral on this point for now.

fair

Honestly, the only win con I see for Kaneki is continuously evading attacks and then landing a single strike to a vital point.

also fair

 

[M2u12]

Ngl, I think Kaneki should have prior knowledge of Soul Hax, so he doesn't accidentally try to parry or block Spamton attacks.

And after that, we can debate.

 

[StrymULTRA]

If he receives a soul wound, the damage will cause him to enter a Kakuja state and blitz the enemy.

Spamton would just turn it in a battle of attrition through the Bluelight Specil which massively increases his durability while also spamming self-heal, js.

 

[God_of_perversion]

Honestly, guys, I don't quite understand you. Soulhax usually works as an attack that can't be healed unless you have resistance.

To be effective, it must hit a person's vital organs, not just scratch them. The exception is when a soul is burned or destroyed by a single touch.
A simple scratch from a Soulhax-enhanced weapon won't be fatal. I didn't just use the hair example lightly. By your logic, cutting off a person's finger and hair would cause serious damage to their soul, but that's clearly not the case.

Kaneki, when blocking a kagune attack, won't be able to regenerate a tentacle. You know what he'll do? He'll just create a new one.

Danmaku shouldn't be a huge problem either, considering Koma and Irimi can easily dodge omnidirectional machine gun fire from all directions, and Koma himself can dodge shockwaves and danmaku shots from point-blank range. Kaneki scales above them and still has the advantage of Accelerated Perception and Kakuja Accelerator

Soul hax in undertale/deltarune are unique,its acepted that every character without a stronger soul than normal will have 20 hp for their soul while for deltarune its 90,so it doesn't matter which part of their body it hits because it will do full damage

 

[God_of_perversion]

So basically how Soul Hax works in Deltarune is you just have to scratch the soul once and the entire being takes damage?

Pretty much

 

[NikHelton]

Idk if going Kakuja is the right play here. It makes him mentally unstable, which might mess up his analytical skills and lead him to trade blows, which is the absolute last thing he should be doing in this case.

Let's start with the fact that Kaneki also fights well in a berserk state.

Let's finish by saying that at the end of Part I, he's in control of his half-kakuji form, and after he cuts off Amon's arm, he immediately emerges from his kakuji form and checks on his opponent. He didn't try to eat his armor like he did with Shinohara, and he actually used his Centipede form for a swift strike.

Spamton would just turn it in a battle of attrition through the Bluelight Specil which massively increases his durability while also spamming self-heal, js.

When transforming into a kakuja, Kaneki gains a dual-layered blitz amp and a one-shot amp, plus his kagune has a limited contact area and is incredibly sharp. He'll simply tear him to pieces with a single attack, and the kagune regen negation prevents Spamton from healing any wounds.

Pretty much

If we're making such assumptions, then why aren't we talking about the fact that a character needs to hit their heart with spiritual damage to win?

It's all because of the game's design, because we never see what battles look like from the outside. But I don't think a character in this universe can kill another character by hitting their hair.

And I also insist that hitting a kagune won't cause spiritual damage because it's a circulating stream of cells, not something like a tail.

By that logic, if character A goes to take a pee and character B hits the stream with spiritual damage, character A will die because the stream is connected to their body.

 

[NikHelton]

Soul hax in undertale/deltarune are unique,its acepted that every character without a stronger soul than normal will have 20 hp for their soul while for deltarune its 90,so it doesn't matter which part of their body it hits because it will do full damage

Are you one of those people who says that all characters in Silksons are stronger than in HK because in Silksong, Hortnet loses 2 HP at a time when getting hit?