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The Problem
This is gonna be the most semantical thread ever, but this has been bothering me for a while.
Something I noticed in the Ninjago profiles was how many profiles have “at least Low 1-C, likely far higher”. This confused me as there didn’t seem to be anything that warranted such massive upscaling over 5-D. I brought it up here yesterday, and after some discussion I’ve come to the conclusion that some changes are needed. Before I start I want to clarify that I’ve only watched the first 10 seasons of the show (though I’ve rewatched those ones a decent amount of times), so I’ll be mainly basing everything on the profiles as most of it involves stuff in later seasons.
First of all I want to note how the Attack Potency page describes “at least”, “likely” and “higher” ratings (specifically the second half for higher):
So from what I understand, there are two ways to warrant a “likely (far) higher” rating:
It was explained in the QnA thread I made that the upscaling comes from characters being stronger than weaker Low 1-C characters. Let’s look at the profiles of some of the non-“far higher” Low 1-C characters to see whether that holds true. To make things easier to follow, I’ll mention now that the “at least/likely far higher” characters scale to the multiverse, while each Realm is considered Low 1-C on their own.
You might notice that every single character/form mentioned here has scaling to either the Overlord/Crystal King, the First Spinjitzu Master or Lloyd Garmadon’s Golden Oni form, all of who have “at least/likely far higher” ratings. So what exactly are the higher rated characters upscaling so highly from?
There were two characters brought up in the QnA thread that I want to go over:
Unagami is scaling to a single Realm, however most of the other god tiers are scaling to the whole multiverse so there’s an already existing gap between them. Even if higher god tiers were directly stated to be more powerful than Unagami, they already have the feats to prove that so an “at least” rating isn’t necessary.
The Overlord in his spiritual form is considered to have Unknown stats outside of his Durability. For some reason he’s rated with the “at least/likely far higher” thing even though he has nothing to upscale from, so he should have that part removed. That’s not the point right now, though.
It was argued that The Overlord in his Dragon Form should upscale from his Spirit Form’s durability. I’m ok with this under the right circumstances, however there are questions to be asked:
The Solution
There are two options, which basically all depends on whether Dragon form Overlord > Spirit form Overlord warrants an “at least” rating.
Option 1:
Votes
Option 1:
This is gonna be the most semantical thread ever, but this has been bothering me for a while.
Something I noticed in the Ninjago profiles was how many profiles have “at least Low 1-C, likely far higher”. This confused me as there didn’t seem to be anything that warranted such massive upscaling over 5-D. I brought it up here yesterday, and after some discussion I’ve come to the conclusion that some changes are needed. Before I start I want to clarify that I’ve only watched the first 10 seasons of the show (though I’ve rewatched those ones a decent amount of times), so I’ll be mainly basing everything on the profiles as most of it involves stuff in later seasons.
First of all I want to note how the Attack Potency page describes “at least”, “likely” and “higher” ratings (specifically the second half for higher):
So from what I understand, there are two ways to warrant a “likely (far) higher” rating:
- Characters who solidly scale to a certain value, but likely scale to a higher value within the same tier. Examples would be a 100 Foe character being likely 1 TeraFoe (both ends are 4-B) or a 6-D character being likely 7-D (both ends are 1-C).
- As mentioned on the page; characters who are so beyond a certain tier that they’re potentially a higher tier, but with no evidence to definitively give them any higher tier.
It was explained in the QnA thread I made that the upscaling comes from characters being stronger than weaker Low 1-C characters. Let’s look at the profiles of some of the non-“far higher” Low 1-C characters to see whether that holds true. To make things easier to follow, I’ll mention now that the “at least/likely far higher” characters scale to the multiverse, while each Realm is considered Low 1-C on their own.
You might notice that every single character/form mentioned here has scaling to either the Overlord/Crystal King, the First Spinjitzu Master or Lloyd Garmadon’s Golden Oni form, all of who have “at least/likely far higher” ratings. So what exactly are the higher rated characters upscaling so highly from?
There were two characters brought up in the QnA thread that I want to go over:
Unagami is scaling to a single Realm, however most of the other god tiers are scaling to the whole multiverse so there’s an already existing gap between them. Even if higher god tiers were directly stated to be more powerful than Unagami, they already have the feats to prove that so an “at least” rating isn’t necessary.
The Overlord in his spiritual form is considered to have Unknown stats outside of his Durability. For some reason he’s rated with the “at least/likely far higher” thing even though he has nothing to upscale from, so he should have that part removed. That’s not the point right now, though.
It was argued that The Overlord in his Dragon Form should upscale from his Spirit Form’s durability. I’m ok with this under the right circumstances, however there are questions to be asked:
- Since the Overlord’s durability comes from his state of being, would Dragon Form even upscale or just be relative? The Overlord’s initial possession of Garmadon also isn’t rated with Low 1-C durability despite being just as physical as his later Dragon form.
- Would the gap between the Spirit and Dragon forms even be large enough to warrant an at least rating? As far as I know simply upscaling from tier 1 characters doesn’t usually give at least ratings, but I couldn’t find any mentions of that on the wiki so idk.
The Solution
There are two options, which basically all depends on whether Dragon form Overlord > Spirit form Overlord warrants an “at least” rating.
Option 1:
- Spirit form Overlord’s durability is changed to just Low 1-C.
- All characters have their “likely far higher” part removed.
- The characters who scale to the Crystal King and the First Spinjitzu Master have an “at least” added to their ratings.
- All characters relative to or below the First Spinjitzu Master have both the “at least” and “likely far higher” parts of their ratings removed.
- If the Overlord’s Spirit form justification is considered insufficient, then his durability will also be changed to Unknown.
Votes
Option 1:
- Agree:
- Disagree:
- Neutral:
- Agree:
- Disagree:
- Neutral:
