Spamton vs Kaneki (Deltarune vs Tokyo Ghoul) ([ 2-7-3 ]

[God_of_perversion]

Kaneki Vs Tenna next when

Kaneki when he has to deal with space cleaving attacks,law manipulation which acts as power nulification and -999° degre weather

 

[Delusionaltx2]

I think spamtons best wincondition extends towards outranging kaneki rather than just attacking (something he would probably do if he deems kanekis growth as too threatning)

kanekis wincondition is killing spamton before he decides to just fly in the air and spam ranged attacks

Thats what i'm getting based on both sides here

 

[God_of_perversion]

Also op needs to remake the battlle since EOS tokyo ghoul kaneki is baseline 7c meaning he can't even attack
He probably tought kaneki was baseline 8b and tought the other tiers were trought amps + AD (which i also tought was the case)

 

[NikHelton]

Any way i'll just explain why i think spantom wins since i'm not doing a god job
Soul hax in deltarune works by having ANY physical contact against the opponent's move and thats to a level that even a single scratch of the attack is enought to deal full soul damage
Spantom is powerful enought to destroy souls in 2-3 attacks while having moves that one shot it and said moves come out of his body or are summoned by him,if Kaneki goes for a attack towards spantom then he will have to dodge hundreads of bullets because a single scratch is enought to deal full damage not only that but a lot of spantom attacks come out his body such as his heart being able to shot 20+ bullets in secconds which pretty much makes some attacks unavoidable since just the act of trying damage Spantom will cause him to counter attack it,and even worse Spantom's body will continue to attack even while being hit meaning the momment Kaneki attacks he will be forced to make contact with a bullet
Also sorry if the sentence is porly constructed i had zero sleep today

No, bro, you have some excellent arguments. But my vote remains the same because Kaneki has a greater evasive toolkit and incredible durability. Plus, I also disagree that attacks to the kaguna cause soul damage.

 

[NikHelton]

Also op needs to remake the battlle since EOS tokyo ghoul kaneki is baseline 7c meaning he can't even attack
He probably tought kaneki was baseline 8b and tought the other tiers were trought amps + AD (which i also tought was the case)

Kaneki's EoS is "At least 8-A, likely higher, far with kakuja, up to 7-C, far higher with kakuja." 7-C was achieved through AD. In this battle, 7-C is limited.

 

[M2u12]

Any way i'll just explain why i think spantom wins since i'm not doing a god job
Soul hax in deltarune works by having ANY physical contact against the opponent's move and thats to a level that even a single scratch of the attack is enought to deal full soul damage
Spantom is powerful enought to destroy souls in 2-3 attacks while having moves that one shot it and said moves come out of his body or are summoned by him,

If Kaneki doesn't get hit at all, then there's no problem.

if Kaneki goes for a attack towards spantom then he will have to dodge hundreads of bullets because a single scratch is enought to deal full damage not only that but a lot of spantom attacks come out his body such as his heart being able to shot 20+ bullets in secconds which pretty much makes some attacks unavoidable

Ah, didn't you see how Kouma dodged the Higher Mind danmaku? + 20+ bullets per second is nothing for Kaneki, for the reasons I've already mentioned.

since just the act of trying damage Spantom will cause him to counter attack it,and even worse Spantom's body will continue to attack even while being hit meaning the momment Kaneki attacks he will be forced to make contact with a bullet

Kaneki would just dodge or stop his attack that is about to be hit by Spamton's bullets and then continue attacking after that.

Also sorry if the sentence is porly constructed i had zero sleep today

that ok, after all we just try to have some fun here.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Also op needs to remake the battlle since EOS tokyo ghoul kaneki is baseline 7c meaning he can't even attack

No, bro, you have some excellent arguments. But my vote remains the same because Kaneki has a greater evasive toolkit and incredible durability. Plus, I also disagree that attacks to the kaguna cause soul damage.

Nik, you are one that proposed that restricting higher than 8-A tiers is fine. Did you forget some details, or current conditions are still fine?
And when profiles would Kaneki profile get an update?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

@StrymULTRA btw you still interested in arguing here or nah

 

[NikHelton]

Nik, you are one that proposed that restricting higher than 8-A tiers is fine. Did you forget some details, or current conditions are still fine?
And when profiles would Kaneki profile get an update?

There's no problem with the situation. It's the website's own nuances. This version of Kaneki is capped at level 8-A, meaning he didn't reach level 7-C due to his battle with Arima.

However, the level cap of 8-A doesn't mean that once characters reach 999 Tons, their power becomes equal. I explained above. We could have a 900 Tons character and a 900 Tons character with a one-shot amp and a long scaling chain. All this gives them "At least" and "Far higher" at best. You might think they'd have a power ceiling of 999 Tons, but they're simply growing from there. Therefore, we could have two 999 Tons characters, one of whom can one-shot the other.

 

[God_of_perversion]

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No, bro, you have some excellent arguments. But my vote remains the same because Kaneki has a greater evasive toolkit and incredible durability. Plus, I also disagree that attacks to the kaguna cause soul damage.

As said its a insane diff so kaneki has a high chance of winning i might even change it to inconclusive since its so neck and neck (also yes every hit on what ever part of kaneki is doing full damage since it goes trought armour and shields even if those are made to defend against soul attacks)

 

[God_of_perversion]

If Kaneki doesn't get hit at all, then there's no problem.

Ah, didn't you see how Kouma dodged the Higher Mind danmaku? + 20+ bullets per second is nothing for Kaneki, for the reasons I've already mentioned.

Kaneki would just dodge or stop his attack that is about to be hit by Spamton's bullets and then continue attacking after that.

that ok, after all we just try to have some fun here.

Valid arguments i just don't see kaneki dodging all that withou getting hit at least 2 times (and again he can't block the attacks since the damage would still happen)

 

[M2u12]

You know what? I'm fine voting incon as well. Yeah, I still believe Kaneki can dodge Spamton's attacks and maintain a one-sided offense, but if he slips up even once, it's game over for him.

 

[M2u12]

Valid arguments i just don't see kaneki dodging all that withou getting hit at least 2 times (and again he can't block the attacks since the damage would still happen)

I mean, it's arguable that if he takes a hit, he'll enter Kakuja mode, but that probably wouldn't be a good for kaneki and the Kakuja might even put him at a greater disadvantage imo.

 

[God_of_perversion]

You know what? I'm fine voting incon as well. Yeah, I still believe Kaneki can dodge Spamton's attacks and maintain a one-sided offense, but if he slips up even once, it's game over for him.

Yeah same for spantom since a attack trough his head would be lethal.thinking about it spantom probably upscale his dúra value by a lot but kaneki can just amp himself i guess

 

[Foriaa]

What's stopping Kaneki from off guarding this dude while simultaneously defending himself with his Kagune?

 

[M2u12]

What's stopping Kaneki from off guarding this dude while simultaneously defending himself with his Kagune?

soul hax

 

[Foriaa]

What about the soul hax? From what I'm seeing his attacks can damage the soul, I don't see how that explains how he'd defend against physical damage that's hitting him off guard. Kaneki in this key will absolutely send his Kagune through the ground or behind him while also feinting in attacks from the front. Spamtons Danmaku isn't anything Kaneki can't deal with if we agree that damaging his Kagune won't damage his soul, so he'd likely pose as someone defending while attacking him.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

voting Kaneki FRA.

 

[Foriaa]

I also think we need to really emphasize on the skill difference between these two characters, I don't see how Spamton can survive any close range combat, especially when his AP is 74% lower than that of Kaneki. Kaneki genuinely runs up on this guy and ***** him ruthlessly from how much spam he'd receive

 

[Foriaa]

Voting Kaneki

 

[God_of_perversion]

I also think we need to really emphasize on the skill difference between these two characters, I don't see how Spamton can survive any close range combat, especially when his AP is 74% lower than that of Kaneki. Kaneki genuinely runs up on this guy and ***** him ruthlessly from how much spam he'd receive

Ap doesn't matter because of Spantom's soul hax which will kill him in 2-3 attacks,also spantom MASSIVELY upscale from his dura value and catching him of guard isn't really a thing since he can see souls which are the cumination of the entire being (funnily enought Spantom is the one always catching kris of guard lmao)

 

[Foriaa]

ap does matter as Kaneki is nearly double his strength, so the attacks Kaneki can dish out would be a lot more lethal, as for soul perception, i'm not entirely sure as to why that matters here, kaneki's kagune doesn't have his soul attached to it, its rc cells being ejected from his kakuho, and even if it did, how exactly would he defend against attacks from every angle? the danmaku im seeing is being thrown out of his mouth, i don't see any omnidirectional stuff on his page

 

[M2u12]

Kaneki in this key will absolutely send his Kagune through the ground or behind him while also feinting in attacks from the front.

Actually, no? He hasn't shown that he can do that in this key yet.

 

[God_of_perversion]

ap does matter as Kaneki is nearly double his strength, so the attacks Kaneki can dish out would be a lot more lethal, as for soul perception, i'm not entirely sure as to why that matters here, kaneki's kagune doesn't have his soul attached to it, its rc cells being ejected from his kakuho, and even if it did, how exactly would he defend against attacks from every angle? the danmaku im seeing is being thrown out of his mouth, i don't see any omnidirectional stuff on his page

Just being part of some one in some way is enought for the soul hax to work for example soul damage works even while hitting armour and magical shields the protagonists uses and the only reason why their equipments can even decrease the damage they take is because they are magical in nature

 

[Foriaa]

Actually, no? He hasn't shown that he can do that in this key yet.

There's practically no difference between chapter 7 RE Kaneki and Part 1 in terms of how they fight, it's just him regressing back into Kaneki rather than being Haise. He's using the skills he accumulated before losing his memories, so it's def something to consider.

 

[Foriaa]

Just being part of some one in some way is enought for the soul hax to work for example soul damage works even while hitting armour and magical shields the protagonists uses and the only reason why their equipments can even decrease the damage they take is because they are magical in nature

I'm a little skeptical on that, is this referenced anywhere, it seems kinda odd for soul hax to work on inanimate stuff like armor

 

[M2u12]

There's practically no difference between chapter 7 RE Kaneki and Part 1 in terms of how they fight,

No?

it's just him regressing back into Kaneki rather than being Haise.

No, at this point he still Haise not Kaneki.

He's using the skills he accumulated before losing his memories, so it's def something to consider.

Scan for that?

 

[God_of_perversion]

I'm a little skeptical on that, is this referenced anywhere, it seems kinda odd for soul hax to work on inanimate stuff like armor

Yeah soul hax in undertale/deltarune is really weird

 

[M2u12]

Lowkey goh low-tier character might be good matchup again undertale/deltarune soul hax

 

[God_of_perversion]

Lowkey goh low-tier character might be good matchup again undertale/deltarune soul hax

Yep because their soul is contained within their core principle and since they are low tiers the skill slop isn't that bad

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Kaneki FRA

 

[M2u12]

and since they are low tiers the skill slop isn't that bad

Nah, Tier 8 characters in GoH probably skill slop 50% character in this site lol.

 

[God_of_perversion]

Nah, Tier 8 characters in GoH probably skill slop 50% character in this site lol.

The glazing knows no bound

 

[M2u12]

The glazing knows no bound

I mean, I believe there are more not skill characters than those that actually skill. So, it's totally possible that 50% characters get skill slop.

 

[Foriaa]

No?

No, at this point he still Haise not Kaneki.

No, hes not. The cracking of the knuckles is trademark Kaneki, not Haise. Once he activates his Kagune, people watching say it's almost like he's a different person, there's also the fact that he recalls who Nishio is despite losing his memories Post Owl Suppression. We also know during the Auction Operation that Haise says that he needs Kaneki's power, but he'd start losing himself (like he did in chapter 7). Haise is just Kaneki without the previous memories, and those memories come back to him when he tweaks out.

 

[God_of_perversion]

I mean, I believe there are more not skill characters than those that actually skill. So, it's totally possible that 50% characters get skill slop.

Touhou faries victims on god

 

[M2u12]

No, hes not. The cracking of the knuckles is trademark Kaneki, not Haise.

But do P1 Kaneki fight like that? If not than it Haise fighting style, Haise cracking knuckles doesn't mean Haise going to have a fighting style like Kaneki.

Once he activates his Kagune, people watching say it's almost like he's a different person,

No, that's being taken out of context. It’s just that people have never seen him fight like that before, it doesn't mean they actually see him as Kaneki.

there's also the fact that he recalls who Nishio is despite losing his memories Post Owl Suppression.

He only realized it after seeing Nishio face. Before that, he had no idea who he was fighting, so that shouldn't even be used as an argument.

We also know during the Auction Operation that Haise says that he needs Kaneki's power,

Ok?

but he'd start losing himself (like he did in chapter 7).

Haise was the one in control for that entire fight. he only started losing it after he saw Nishio face.

Haise is just Kaneki without the previous memories,

No? Haise was trained as an Investigator, meaning he has skills Kaneki never had, like swordsmanship. He isn't just Kaneki without his memories.

and those memories come back to him when he tweaks out.

Ok, but entire fight again Nishio, Haise not tweaks out? he just tweaks out after he see Nishio face.

 

[M2u12]

Wait, why are we even arguing about things that probably don't matter for this fight? LoL

 

[Foriaa]

But do P1 Kaneki fight like that? If not than it Haise fighting style, Haise cracking knuckles doesn't mean Haise going to have a fighting style like Kaneki.

This is a misunderstanding, Part 1 Kaneki as in EOS Kaneki (without his Kakuja), is not different than early RE Kaneki who loses control and needs to be supressed, I sent scans explaining how he starts recalling memories that he doesn't have as Haise, and used him cracking his knuckles as support for his persona changing there.

No, that's being taken out of context. It’s just that people have never seen him fight like that before; it doesn't mean they actually see him as Kaneki.

It's not being taken out of context, Haise persona changing to that of Kaneki is ofc something that they haven't seen, the point there is that it isn't actually Haise but something else, and in this case, I'm saying it's Kaneki.

He only realized it after seeing Nishio face. Before that, he had no idea who he was fighting, so that shouldn't even be used as an argument.

Why does realizing it's Nisho after seeing his face matter? Haise doesn't have Kaneki's memories so he shouldn't know who that is. The point here is that he's recalling memories that Haise doesn't have, and acting in the same manner Kaneki does.

Ok?

Wdym "Ok?". Haise saying he needs Kaneki's power is a direct reference to what happened in early RE. He needs Kaneki's power to fight against Takizawa, the only drawback is that Haise will be practically erased, which clearly he doesn't want.

No? Haise was trained as an Investigator, meaning he has skills Kaneki never had, like swordsmanship.

Kaneki catching someone off guard with his Kagune has literally nothing to do with swordsmanship, so this sub point doesn't matter.

 

[Foriaa]

Wait, why are we even arguing about things that probablydon't matter for this fight? LoL

It does matter, my entire reasoning for Kaneki beating Spamton is offguard + kagune overwhelm, if we're saying that's something Kaneki won't do, then my vote will change.