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Did I think this through? pt.4 (Kars vs Muzan)

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"Fools! Do you not wish to conquer the sun?! Do you not wish to rule over all? Do you not wish to be afraid of nothing?!":"The one thing I hate is "change". Changes in circumstances. Changes in body. Changes in emotion. In most cases, every change is "degradation". It is decline. The one thing I like is "permanence". If something doesn't change for an eternity. It's in a perfect state.":

Incon votes:
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Let's assume Muzan just somehow stumbled upon the second thing that can grant him immunity to the sun...thousands of miles away from Japan and he somehow got there.

Ultimate Kars (8-A) vs Kibutsuji Muzan (Low 7-B)

Speed is equalised.

They are 13 meters apart.

The time is 6 am, 2 hours before sun rise.

The fight takes place in Piz Bernina.
 
Stomp??? What can Muzan do? Hamon users passively emit it even in stopped time. Kars is the strongest Hamon user in the series, being compared to the sun itself. Any attack from Muzan will simply evaporate, and Kars only needs to point in Muzan's direction to extinguish him with Hamon.
(Should be far stronger then he was previously as his nature of the Ultimate Lifeform. His Hamon was described as hundreds of times stronger than Joseph and its intensity was compared to that of the Sun by Rudol von Stroheim)
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Weaknesses: Standard Demon Weaknesses. Bright Red Blades hampers demonic regeneration and incinerates his cells. All Demons under his control will cease to exist if he dies.
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Standard Demon Weaknesses
Sunlight[51], Wisteria, Scarlet Crimson Iron Sand, and Scarlet Ore[52].
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Lynieryz said:
Stomp???
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Not sure.
Lynieryz said:
What can Muzan do? Hamon users passively emit it even in stopped time. Kars is the strongest Hamon user in the series, being compared to the sun itself. Any attack from Muzan will simply evaporate, and Kars only needs to point in Muzan's direction to extinguish him with Hamon.
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I'm waiting for KnY supporters to give their take on this.
 
Someone has a single chance to explain how Muzan gets past the DBZ sunlight hax aura that evaporates even people who use it themselves on crack aura.
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Fyi don't even attempt to yap about blood slop, a normal hamon practitioner can eject foreign substances from their body and Kars can do that on a cellular level.
 
Thanks for that, but there's no esoteric knowledge to it. If Hamon = Sunlight, Muzan gets torched. You can throw Demon King Tanjiro at him, but then it just becomes Kars beating up Tanjiro until the end of time.
 
Catbowtie said:
Thanks for that, but there's no esoteric knowledge to it. If Hamon = Sunlight, Muzan gets torched. You can throw Demon King Tanjiro at him, but then it just becomes Kars beating up Tanjiro until the end of time.
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Darn, if that's the case. Can any hamon user just oneshot Muzan from the get go?
 
Greatsage13th said:
Darn, if that's the case. Can any hamon user just oneshot Muzan from the get go?
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Literally everyone above Will Zeppeli mogs the **** out of him.
Will just doesn't because by some sheer miracle he's a JoJo mf who's slower and doesn't have that good AOE.
 
Greatsage13th said:
Can any hamon user just oneshot Muzan from the get go?
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tbf Sunlight would burn Muzan alive, so Hamon would have much of the same effect. This would give Muzan all of 5 seconds to be incredibly confused on how this guy can produce sunlight before dying without any answers.

Ig someone COULD try to scale Muzan's resistance to Direct Sunlight off of Zohakuten running in broad daylight for a fat minute and somewhat being implied to be able to SURVIVE it (idk how brah), but like, lmfao
 
Catbowtie said:
tbf Sunlight would burn Muzan alive, so Hamon would have much of the same effect. This would give Muzan all of 5 seconds to be incredibly confused on how this guy can produce sunlight before dying without any answers.

Ig someone COULD try to scale Muzan's resistance to Direct Sunlight off of Zohakuten running in broad daylight for a fat minute and somewhat being implied to be able to SURVIVE it (idk how brah), but like, lmfao
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At first I thought putting Jonathan up against Muzan might be overkill, so I used KAZUU instead.

I didn't think it was actually overkill for Muzan to fight any of the Hamon users, like it wasn't that obvious.

Chariot190 said:
Chat, Kars' Hamon literally vaporizes people who resist sunlight.
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That was more liquefy than vaporize though, the thing he did to Joseph.
 
Greatsage13th said:
At first I thought putting Jonathan up against Muzan might be overkill, so I used KAZUU instead.

I didn't think it was actually overkill for Muzan to fight any of the Hamon users, like it wasn't that obvious.
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Every relevant Hamon goon can flash vaporize dudes weak to sunlight in a single hit.
If they get a single hit in, which 99% of the time they will given SBA is central park and they all have ranged, they basically explode.
Greatsage13th said:
That was more liquefy than vaporize though, the thing he did to Joseph.
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Things do tend to become liquid before they turn to vapor 🗿
 
Catbowtie said:
Every time I see you type "chat" I can't stop myself from imagining you sitting down on a gamer chair with kitten ear headphones and saying stuff like "50 gifted subs and I vote for Muzan"
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I say chat because specifying who tf I'm talking to in actual chat is annoying when there's like 15 yappers at once so they get amalgamated into "chat" and it just happens to be a carry over.
Not that it'd matter given you'd never catch me voting Muzan.
Qurbonboev said:
How high is it's temperature?
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Hamon isn't really about heat tho there's Hamon attacks that can manifest fire and stuff, but Kars' casual amount is stated comparable to the intensity of the literal sun itself, it can flash boil flesh, and is way hotter than thousands of degrees given Joseph can take stuff with stated values that high and uh, not have his flesh boil and turn to steam.
So idk about that hot.
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Muzan has 3 layers of sunlight hax resistance gg ez
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Ult Kars > Lisa Lisa > Joseph > Caesar > loggin (he took hamon attacks with just burned off arm hair) > pre training joseph > normal PM res > santana (who explicitly is resistant to Hamon to the point it has to be used internally to effect him) > idk vampires ig.
Nice try lad but that ain't gonna work even with the memes.
CastoriceTheFifth said:
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I will NOT be convincing the team to lay off the high tiers now smh.
 
Chariot190 said:
Ult Kars > Lisa Lisa > Joseph > Caesar > loggin (he took hamon attacks with just burned off arm hair) > pre training joseph > normal PM res > santana (who explicitly is resistant to Hamon to the point it has to be used internally to effect him) > idk vampires ig.
Nice try lad but that ain't gonna work even with the memes.

I will NOT be convincing the team to lay off the high tiers now smh.
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Hey man its opposite day so I voted Kars FRA 🤷‍♂️
 
Chariot190 said:
Ult Kars > Lisa Lisa > Joseph > Caesar > loggin (he took hamon attacks with just burned off arm hair) > pre training joseph > normal PM res > santana (who explicitly is resistant to Hamon to the point it has to be used internally to effect him) > idk vampires ig.
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An irrelevant question to the thread but, where does Jonathan place in the established pecking order?
 
Greatsage13th said:
An irrelevant question to the thread but, where does Jonathan place in the established pecking order?
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Above pre training joseph (especially in skill/output), but way tf below post training, like it's not even comparable and we have statements too. He's closer to pre training joseph than he is above it.
Wiki wise, he's basically in his own lil section tho.
 
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