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Been a while. 7 months to be exact since a big thread. We are finally done with another general thread.
Before we start, credit to @KLOL506 for being the second foreman on this. Also **** him.
And of course, credits go to all the GoW peeps for their own suggestions and corrections. Now let's start.
God of War Magic System Page;
- New Scan addition to the Magic, Life-Force and Soul section; "distilled spirits are of runic energy"
- Paralysis & Soul Magic (Absorption) to general abilities: Wisps, beings of pure magic, paralyze and absorb the life out of animals to empower themselves (GoW Ragnarok - Nocturnal Predator quest).
- Under is additional evidence that further establish that Souls hold the magical abilities of a being.
- In God of War Chains of Olympus, as Kratos gave away his weapons and powers to the Elysium fields and it's resident souls, he absorbs them back from absorbing and killing said souls.
- In God of War (2005), when Kratos dies and went to the Underworld, he still maintained the magical powers and weapons he amassed through his journey to utilize against the dead of Hades.
- In God of War III, every Monster Soul we summon still keep the weapons and powers they had in life, to the extent that Legionnaires that died as simple archers keep their bow with them into the afterlife. Even the fallen souls of Spartans still carry their shields and spears. Furthermore, as we absorb the soul of Hades, we receive the God's ability to swim safely through the River Styx.
- In God of war Ragnarök, a Vanir states that he'll keep the magic he amassed in life to utilize against the Aesir in death, and we ourselves can utilize the Draupnir Spear to absorb magical energy from the Berserkers Souls who had maintained their magic from their life of servitude to the Berserker King.
Greek Godhood;
- The Ascension weapon abilities should be listed as innate abilities for the Greek Gods instead of being exclusive to weapons, as we know that the abilities these weapons possess are mostly reflections of their powers bestowed upon others as accepted in this CRT.
- Overhaul the Equipment list of the Greek Gods
- "simply turn into pure energy." Currently we share Athena’s feat of transforming into pure magic between all Gods, however, she's the only one who does this, so she should be the only one who has it be begin with. As such this feat will be removed as a general feat for all Gods.
- Stamina: Infinite (The Rage of the Gods, a transformation that allows Kratos to channel on the powers of the Gods, grants him infinite magic, which translates to stamina, including mental fatigue)
- Resurrection; The Gods can resurrect others, extending to punishment for individuals or resurrecting entire armies to make them virtually immortal.
- Pocket Reality Manipulation & Portal Creation: The Gods can create pocket dimensions to empower their warriors, and create portals to access said dimension. They are even capable of utilizing these dimensions offensively.
- Omnipresence (The Gods are capable of becoming one with their dimensions, allowing them to speak and see as the dimension itself. They are even capable of attacking in this state as showcased by Ares.)
- Perception Manipulation & Limited Reality Warping (Passive; The Hyperion Gem allows the bearer to access the vision of a God, allowing the bearer to affect reality to an extent such that they can maneuver themselves and things such as water-flow between completely unconnected bridges as if they were connected, despite in actuality being far apart. A God can utilize this ability themselves as seen by how Hera was able to maneuver into a area that can only be accessed by the Gem) Up to Full Reality Warping & Clairvoyance (The Gods can create holographic projections to view events in real time, and if they desire, utilize their magical abilities or physical touch to influence those events without needing to be present through merely interacting with the image. This is seen as when Hermes collapsed a building in Athens through simply touching the image, and when Hades manifested Hell-Fire on Kratos and his men by merely throwing the Hell-Fire onto the projection. Zeus himself had pulled off the soul of one of his worshippers and sent it to the Underworld to be judged favorably by merely picking up a droplet the woman's image was projected into and flicking it into the air, with Athena noting she could have interceded the same way for her worshippers had Zeus allowed it)
- A slight note about the above, this doesn't mean the specific magical feats are shared between the Gods. Zeus's and Athena’s soul feat would only be for them, and Hades's Hell-Fire would still be specific to him as well. This is merely just showing that the Gods can use their own specific magical abilities as an effect they can manifest onto the event through the projection, as such this would still mean the abilities shown through these feats are still applicable for the Gods as actual innate magical abilities rather than abilities specific to projections and that other Gods wouldn't share said abilities unless shown otherwise.
Fires of Ares;
- Empathic Manipulation: Absorbs rage in the form of Gold Orbs.
- Curse Negation, Regeneration Negation (Low-Mid) & Immortality Negation (2 & 3: The Fires of Ares are the same as the Fires of Olympus, which are able to permanently kill Prometheus, who was cursed to be unable to die as he was eternally consumed by an eagle and healed repeatedly afterwards)
- Invulnerability: Many of Ares's items grant Invulnerability, such as the Horn of Restoration, Call to Arms, and Eye of the Wolf.
- Hades's Disease Manipulation with his Arms should be moved from the Greek Godhood Page to the Hadean Magic Section, as there's no reason for the other Gods to share this feat.
- Resistance Negation & Statistics Reduction: Being cursed removes armor, slows navigation, and even decrease defensive stats, including Elemental Resistance.
- Currently we only give Ares the Souls of Hades and Zeus's Fury for his feat where he takes all of Kratos's items and magics, however this should be changed as having well, taken all of Kratos's items and magics rather then these two only. The label should just be changed to "all of Demigod Kratos's items and magics" as to not cause bloat.
- "Petrification and Deconstruction (Resists all of Kratos' abilities, including Poseidon's Rage, which itself consists of Poseidon's Power, which destroys both the soul and the body of whoever stands in the path of its electric beam, with Poseidon's Rage being able to even completely destroy incorporeal Wraiths, as well as being able to resist the Souls of Hades, eventually stealing Kratos's powers and using the Army of Hades Soul Summon ability against him. Should scale to his successor Kratos, who has also survived Poseidon's powers and was able to easily withstand a long period inside the Light of Alfheim without being driven insane or being completely incinerated and being made one with the Light, with the Light of Alfheim being also a Primordial Force that has existed before Odin and the Realms, keeping the Realms separate with its light and also transcending them altogether)" This reasoning about the Light of Alfheim needs to ago. It's been removed for ages, and the abilities it's justifying aren't there anymore. It should be changed into;
- Petrification and Deconstruction (Resists Poseidon's Rage and Medusa's Gaze, with the former destroying both the soul and the body of whoever is in it's path, reducing enemies to less than smoke, and the latter petrifying enemies to stone.)
- Ares's Accelerated Development should be changed into Battle rather than Passive, as the feat where Kratos as the God of War can become stronger, faster and more combat-capable with every passing moment, happens in combat. However it should scale from the Relic of Determination where Ares's Warriors gain strength by 20% each minute, as it's essentially just a weaker version of his AD.
- Transformation & Abstract Existence (Type 1; Concept (Type 1): Able to transform into a pure state of magic, with access to her Godhead as the embodiment of wisdom, reason and purity.)
- Soul Magic, BFR, Light Manipulation & Transmutation: After witnessing Zeus pull a follower's soul and send it to the Underworld by merely picking a droplet and transforming it into a rainbow, Athena asks why Zeus hadn't allowed her to intercede the same way for her thousands of followers, indicating she would've done so had Zeus allowed it.
- Reactive Evolution: The Relic of Reliance increases Physical and Elemental resistance when health is at a low threshold.
- "Transmutation, Power Nullification & Curse Manipulation (Resists all of Athena's powers, which is why she chose to torment Medusa instead)" should be changed as resistance to all of Athena’s abilities instead, it reduces bloat and wouldn't need updating if Athena gets new hax.
- Zeus's “All of Kratos's abilities and powers” should be changed to “all of God Kratos's Items and Magic bar EoG GoW2” as Zeus shouldn’t have access to much of Kratos’s innate abilities as the former would imply.
- Light Manipulation & Transmutation added to his Soul Magic: Pulls a follower's soul and sends it to the Underworld by merely picking a droplet and transforming it into a rainbow.
- Resistance to Resistance Negation: Is unaffected by the Golden Fleece reflecting his lightning back at him, which at that point had gained the ability to nullify resistances, as seen when he shot his lightning bolt at Kratos and and nullified the latter's ability to resist the Lost Souls of Hades.
- Resistance to the Blade of Olympus: Remained a god and was still in possession of his powers after being repeatedly struck and stabbed by the Blade, albeit his energy was still able to be absorbed.
- Zeus's Accelerated Development becomes a Passive, as Gaia notes Zeus was gaining might by merely recovering and resting on Olympus.
- Zeus's Reactive Evolution currently claims that he's affected by the Sirens Absorption abilities, however that's pretty false, as the Sirens Absorption is from their singing rather than their Death Shriek, which doesn't affect Zeus in that matter at all, and it's more likely from Kratos anyway, as he's the one who receives Zeus's energy after the Shriek. Instead this should be changed as just not being as affected by the stun as much rather evolving to absorption.
Demigod Key
- Kratos's Soul Magic gets a slight rework with additional evidence;
- Soul Magic (Empowerment and Absorption: Can absorb magic in the middle of combat when fully enraged through physical combat or his weapons. Absorbed the Ifreet as he killed the Persian King barehandedly. Absorbed his previous powers and equipment back by physically killing souls with his bare hands while having stripped himself of the formerly mentioned powers and equipment. Absorbed experience when killing Undead Legionnaires and magic from Gorgons)
- Sealing (Sealed away Atropos from the Greek World through his battle with her, trapping her behind the mirrors of time. Later on, this ability grew to where he sealed Lahkesis away with a mere push)
- Kratos's “Power Nullification (Nullified the enchantment on Castor's body with each one of his hits, even extending this ability to his Blades of Chaos)” should have the fact that Kratos's Power Nullification evolved to where his final hit nullified the enhancement permanently, as the above implies it's only temporary. The new one should be this:
- Power Nullification (Nullified the enchantment on Castor's body with each one of his hits, with this power evolving to the point where his final hit permanently nullified the enhancement. Can extend this ability to his Blades of Chaos)
- Possession Negation: Can forcibly purge souls out of corpses and even Alrik himself, with these souls possessing the deceased bodies summoned by Alrik. This would also be added to his Soul Magic.
- (Granted Legionnaires the rest denied by their master) Added to Immortality Negation.
- Resistance to Sirens as he overpowers their shriek consistently.
- Sealing Negation (Can absorb and sacrifice enemy souls to nullify seals) Yeah didn't expect Betrayal to pop ye?
- Ares's abilities: Upon ascending to the status of God of War, Kratos had gained access to all of Ares's abilities, including the powers Ares had stolen from him at the end of their fight as well as Ares's powers as the God of War.
- Helios’s Shield to Kratos’s arsenal in his God Key. He reclaims it back after killing Helios.
- Hades's abilities (Took Hades's soul, with souls holding the abilities of a being.)
- Kratos's Time Manipulation and the like should just be moved to the Power of the Fates section on the magic page, and he should have that instead, how he got said powers to begin with.
- Death Manipulation, Resistance Negation, Curse Negation, Regeneration Negation (Mid) & Immortality Negation (2, 3, 4 & 5: Hope is the real power behind the Flame of Olympus, residing within it's core, and is massively superior to the Flame. The Flame brings certain death with a mere touch to all beings, which includes the likes of the Sisters of Fate, who were able to shrug off being stabbed through the head by Kratos and healed immediately, as well as Kratos himself, whom the Sisters of Fate were unable to induce death upon and has dealt with The Amulet of Uroboros, which can induce death by manipulating the cycle of life and death. It is massively superior to the Fires of Olympus, which are able to permanently kill Prometheus, who was cursed to be unable to die as he was eternally consumed by an eagle and healed repeatedly afterwards.
- Creation & Power Nullification (Hope is the real power behind the Flame of Olympus, residing within it's core, from which it has birthed Pandora, a being neither alive or dead and is the only one capable of dousing the Flame of Olympus)
- Self-Resurrection (Can utilize Resurrection Stones on himself)
- Resistance to Curse Manipulation & Power Nullification (Was not as majorly affected by Valhalla's Curse when applying it to himself, still retaining the ability to use his shield and rage despite being denied said abilities beforehand)
- Stamina: Infinite with the Rage of the Gods (The Rage of the Gods, a transformation that allows Kratos to channel on the powers of the Gods, grants him infinite magic, which translates to stamina, including mental fatigue) (Demigod Key) | Infinite (Same as before albeit innately. Summoned an infinite amount of magic against Thanatos in the name of vengeance for Deimos) (God Key)
- Reactive Evolution (Sealed away Atropos from the Greek World through his battle with her, trapping her behind the mirrors of time. Later on, this ability grew to where he sealed Lahkesis away with a mere push) (Demigod Key) | (Managed to withstand Zeus's lightning in their final battle, despite Zeus having nullified his resistances with it beforehand) (God Key) | (Gained the ability to kill Valkyries entirely, where beforehand he could only destroy their physical bodies. Was not as majorly affected by Valhalla's Curse when applying it to himself, still retaining the ability to use his shield and rage despite being denied said abilities beforehand) (Ragnarok Key)
- Yggdrasil should have it's Dimensional values listed for it's Higher dimensional Existence as 5D. They already are accepted to be 5D, it's just the value isn’t listed.
- Add scans for Existence Erasure of Yggdrasil. Brok mentions numerous times to never stray from the path, for doing so would effectively be plunging into oblivion.
- The abilities of the Light of Alfheim (Soul Magic, Deconstruction, Madness Manipulation Types 2 & 3, Light Manipulation, Status Effect Inducement, and Light Elf Magic) get added to Yggdrasil, as the God of War 2018 artbook refers to the Bifrost Light of Alfheim as being the tree’s magic used to travel between realms.
- Merge Light Elf Magic with the Light of Alfheim. The games make no distinction between the two as per the Codex Entry in both 2018 and Ragnarok, especially with regards to using the Light of Alfheim to make Light bridges in 2018 and Ragnarok.
- Life Manipulation for the Light of Alfheim as It gave life to all the beings that reside in Alfheim.
- Ymir should also have his dimensional listed as 5D.
- Add this scan as justification for Hermes’s Greek Godhood (He is the god of speed, thievery and wild animals) (GoW 2010 Comic Issue 3)
- Fix up Hyperion’s profile. Victim of Chainslore. Fix his range to Universal+ based on the other gods having it due to their domains stretching through all of space and time, and removing the part where he fused with the Sun (That’s Chainslore), remove redundant stuff like Disease Manip. (We’ll cover smurf hax being range later). Change his weakness to “None Notable” as Titans being big was not an actual weakness proper that impeded their combat abilities.
- Vibration Manipulation for Draupnir via Gale Force
- Madness Manipulation Type 2 & 3 to the Furies via Archimedes scans (Where their mere presence was driving Archimedes mad and ultimately drove him to his demise) and interview scans and such. Gets added to Kratos’s resistance as well.
- Empathic Manipulation for the Furies, as they try to lure in Kratos back to Ares by influencing his emotions and even offering themselves up to him for sex. Resistance for Kratos overcoming them.
- Madness Manipulation Type 3 to Sirens, who can drive people mad with their voice.
- Body Puppetry & Sound Manipulation for Sirens as they lure you and make your body act out against your will, as well as blow people up with their high-tuned sound pitch.
- Restructure Redeemed Warrior’s keys to apply Ares' Fury (Accepted in this prior CRT). Redeemed Warrior would have two keys, a Mortal Key and a Demigod Key.
- Mortal Key would be At least 6-A, 4-A with Ares’ Fury
- Demigod Key would be 4-A outright
- Infinite Heat for Helios, since he lights up an infinite-sized Underworld. Infinite Energy and all. This would scale to the Primordial Fire in general as it's Helios’s power source.
- Add Draupnir Siphon Resistance to all Valkyries (As even Hrist and Mist are immune to it)
- The bosses we fight in Ragnarök get resistance to the following;
- Bifrost (Survived attacks from the Glaive of Dodher, which is synonymous with death)
- Regeneration Negation & Seidr (Leave unscathed with no permanent injuries from the the Hilt of Dainsleif)
- Remove Atreus’s Realm Tear feat from his LS description. It’s placed in his Shapeshifting key for some weird reason. Anyway, the reason for removal is that he never physically seals it up by sticking his hand into it (let alone his animal forms which never go anywhere near a Realm Tear in the first place) and then yanking it like Kratos does. Not every aspect of sealing up a Realm Tear is an LS feat, much like how not every instance of affecting Yggdrasil is an LS feat.
- Profiles for Golden Fleece, Nemesis Whip, Barbarian Hammer, Claws of Hades and Nemean Cestus.
- Prima Official disc scans addition. As some of you may know, we currently allow the usage of the God of war 1 Prima guide, given that SMS is involved in it. However unbeknownst to most, the guide actually came with a DVD, given that it was part of the guide in general and came with it, the DVD would be just as much of a usable source as the guide. Under is all of the scans and what they'll be added to.
- Kratos is able to adapt to and defeat the enemies within Pandora's Temple, who have learned to block and counter repeated techniques. (Added to Kratos’s Feats section)
- Zeus's Fury can absorb magic and life-force with it's attacks and nullify attacks. (Added to Lightning of Zeus as additional evidence)
- The Gods create time portals to transport others into their dimensions. (Added to Gods)
- The above would also mean the dimensions we see the Gods create are space-times, and thus the Gods would get Space-Time Manipulation for warping and manipulating said dimensions.
Weaknesses Overhaul (Greek Saga)
- Remove any nonsense “Greater AP > Durability of said god" as that's not a legitimate weakness.
- Rework Hades’ weakness. The Soul-Rip only works on him after he is massively weakened, so it should be removed as a weakness. The Blade of Olympus being a weakness should preferably be removed as well, as lacking resistances to something is not accepted as a weakness. “Gods of greater power can kill him as well” is just blatant AP and Dura-related, it should also be removed. Instead, it should be the following:
- Consumed by immense grief and rage after the death of his wife Persephone, and as a result, harbors a vicious grudge against Kratos.
- The Primordials in general are very arrogant and prone to emotional outbursts that can often at times cloud their judgment in combat. Case in point, Thanatos. The whole Primordial War was sparked because of them being consumed by their rage and madness.
- Ares’ weaknesses should be gutted outright and just replaced with him being incredibly arrogant and narcissistic, wanting to be the center of attention that ultimately causes his downfall.
- Athena’s main weakness as an Olympian is that she has no care for her own well-being and will sacrifice herself to protect Olympus. In Ascended Form, it can be noted that the higher power has corrupted her mind as well as her judgment, and has also rendered her arrogant and selfish.
- Gaia’s size-related weakness should preferably be removed.
- For Gaia, her weakness should be changed to being plain arrogance and underestimating her foes, which is what leads to her being betrayed by Kratos as retribution for betraying him earlier (And eventually dying by his hand in the end).
- Atlas’s weakness description should just be changed to “None Notable”, as nothing really stops him from just dropping the Mortal World into the Underworld to return back to Chaos aside from his duty to atone for his crimes.
- Cronos’s weakness should just be reduced to him carrying Pandora’s Mountain on his back and the chains strapping him to it inhibiting his movement.
Cosmology Additions
Infinite-Sized Norse Realms (Helheim is described as an endless wasteland, from which souls are forced to trudge through for all of eternity, with this statement being very literal as Helheim actually holds infinite hours. Niflheim is said to contain infinite mist.)
Major Removals
Remove all imgur links and replace them with direct uploads to the wiki where possible. With Imgur’s ban in the UK it is now imperative we replace all our scan links with something more permanent and more readily-accessible. Direct uploads to the wiki seems to be the only choice at hand as of now for scan preservation.
Anyway we're done with the thread! Now go vote!
Agree: Planck69, Reiner04, KLOL506, TokiNoOuja, GilverTheProtoAngelo, DarkDragonMedeus, Dereck03, SomebodyData, Elizhaa, KingTempest, Emirp sumitpo, Maverick_Zero_X,
Neutral:
Disagree: Vietthai96 (on Type 3 Madness for Furies and Vibration Manipulation for Gale Force),
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