Danny Phantom - Low End Scaling Update (God Tiers Upgrade 2-C)

[LordGriffin1000]

This thread will focus on upgrading all Low 2-C Danny Phantom characters (God Tiers Low End) to 2-C.

Basically, I completely forgot we accepted Clockwork's feats as 2-C when the first graphic novel came out but then the overall cosmology and characters got upgraded 2-A, then the Low 1-C/1-C cosmology upgrade happened. However, we then implemented the Varies rating for all the characters because it's shown in verse, which prompted me to make the thread in which the God Tier characters would get a Low 2-C rating for their lower Tier from Clockwork's feats, completely forgetting the feats in question were already accepted as 2-C back in the first ever thread I made linked above and had nothing to do with the cosmology being updated.

TLDR, I screwed up, treating Clockwork's accepted 2-C feats as Low 2-C feats because all the cosmology changes, completely forgetting that the cosmology change had no impact on Clockwork's feats since the cosmology buff was only about the Ghost Zon, not the Human World timelines. Thus the characters who are rated as Low 2-C should be upgraded to the original 2-C rating from back then. I'll go over the two feats in question again because I do think the value should be changed.

The first feat is on the left panel breaking down and compressing multiple timestreams to help stabilize reality. The exact amount he broke down and compressed was unknown as it was mentioned Dan's corruption reached further so we just used the amount of doors on said panel (18).

For the second feat, in the same scan on the right panel, we see seven corrupted timestreams (doors) remaining and Clockwork compresses them into two stable timelines by just raising his arm.

I think it's best if we just use 7 universes from the second feat as the base since as mentioned before the first feat we see 18 timestreams (doors) at the bottom of the panel but he was already breaking them down so I think using the the second feat as a low end is better since those 7 timestreams were the remaining ones he compressed together to create two new ones. It will cut all the hassle of trying to estimate something that we will never know the exact value of.

Anyway, compressing multiple timelines and then compressing and merging several messed up timelines to create two stable ones at the same time fits our 2-C requirements going off our Tiering System page.

"Characters or objects that can significantly affect, create and/or destroy small multiverses composed of two to a thousand separate space-time continuums, or an equivalent."

The characters affected are...

Clockwork (Danny Phantom) (Did the two feats)

Dan Phantom (Beat Clockwork)

Vlad Plasmus (Stronger than Clockwork)

Danny Phantom (Stronger than Clockwork)

Pariah Dark (Stronger than Clockwork)

Valerie Gray (Will be upgraded when her thread gets accepted since she's current Danny's equal which would make her stronger than Clockwork)

Those are the only characters who will be updated, that's pretty much it.

 

[JJSliderman]

If it’s accepted as 2-C that’s fine, although I have my doubts.

Personally I disagree with this feat being close to uni+, and the GZ being 6 or maybe even 5-D.

 

[King_Gorilla4002-8922]

This thread will focus on upgrading all Low 2-C Danny Phantom characters (God Tiers Low End) to 2-C.

Basically, I completely forgot we accepted Clockwork's feats as 2-C when the first graphic novel came out but then the overall cosmology and characters got upgraded 2-A, then the Low 1-C/1-C cosmology upgrade happened. However, we then implemented the Varies rating for all the characters because it's shown in verse, which prompted me to make the thread in which the God Tier characters would get a Low 2-C rating for their lower Tier from Clockwork's feats, completely forgetting the feats in question were already accepted as 2-C back in the first ever thread I made linked above and had nothing to do with the cosmology being updated.

TLDR, I screwed up, treating Clockwork's accepted 2-C feats as Low 2-C feats because all the cosmology changes, completely forgetting that the cosmology change had no impact on Clockwork's feats since the cosmology buff was only about the Ghost Zon, not the Human World timelines. Thus the characters who are rated as Low 2-C should be upgraded to the original 2-C rating from back then. I'll go over the two feats in question again because I do think the value should be changed.

The first feat is on the left panel breaking down and compressing multiple timestreams to help stabilize reality. The exact amount he broke down and compressed was unknown as it was mentioned Dan's corruption reached further so we just used the amount of doors on said panel (18).

For the second feat, in the same scan on the right panel, we see seven corrupted timestreams (doors) remaining and Clockwork compresses them into two stable timelines by just raising his arm.

I think it's best if we just use 7 universes from the second feat as the base since as mentioned before the first feat we see 18 timestreams (doors) at the bottom of the panel but he was already breaking them down so I think using the the second feat as a low end is better since those 7 timestreams were the remaining ones he compressed together to create two new ones. It will cut all the hassle of trying to estimate something that we will never know the exact value of.

Anyway, compressing multiple timelines and then compressing and merging several messed up timelines to create two stable ones at the same time fits our 2-C requirements going off our Tiering System page.

"Characters or objects that can significantly affect, create and/or destroy small multiverses composed of two to a thousand separate space-time continuums, or an equivalent."

The characters affected are...

Clockwork (Danny Phantom) (Did the two feats)

Dan Phantom (Beat Clockwork)

Vlad Plasmus (Stronger than Clockwork)

Danny Phantom (Stronger than Clockwork)

Pariah Dark (Stronger than Clockwork)

Valerie Gray (Will be upgraded when her thread gets accepted since she's current Danny's equal which would make her stronger than Clockwork)

Those are the only characters who will be updated, that's pretty much it.

Compressing multiple timelines shouldn't scale to his LS as well?

 

[LordGriffin1000]

If it’s accepted as 2-C that’s fine, although I have my doubts.

Personally I disagree with this feat being close to uni+, and the GZ being 6 or maybe even 5-D.

If I compressed a multiple timelines together to merge them into stable timelines would be Tier 2 given it's falling under significantly effecting a universal space time continuum. If you got a problem with Tier 1 stuff you can discuss it on the DP discussion thread or make a revision thread. This is about the low end scaling.

Compressing multiple timelines shouldn't scale to his LS as well?

No, he didn't compress them with his bare hands.

 

[JJSliderman]

If I compressed a multiple timelines together to merge them into stable timelines would be Tier 2 given it's falling under significantly effecting a universal space time continuum. If you got a problem with Tier 1 stuff you can discuss it on the DP discussion thread or make a revision thread. This is about the low end scaling.

Sure, I’m not going to push it here but personally I have the timestream stuff at planetary and the reality destruction at 3 universe 2-C.

 

[Aolphl]

Agree with the thread

 

[Bobsican]

TBH this doesn't seem controversial as the feats are blatant and it's mostly all previously accepted information and scaling either way, so I'd also agree.

 

[Firestorm808]

The thread seems okay.

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Tangentially related, can we remove the "possibly Complex Multiverse level at her peak (Should be comparable to the humans of the past, who split the original world in two during their war with each other" from normal humans like Sam, Tucker, Jack, etc.

We don't actually see present day people capable of doing this, and we don't know the exact nature of past humans or further context of the event.

 

[JJSliderman]

Yeah literally no one interacts with the original ones.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

The thread seems okay.

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Tangentially related, can we remove the "possibly Complex Multiverse level at her peak (Should be comparable to the humans of the past, who split the original world in two during their war with each other" from normal humans like Sam, Tucker, Jack, etc.

We don't actually see present day people capable of doing this, and we don't know the exact nature of past humans or further context of the event.

That's not how it works....

The likes of Valerie Gray and Jazz already have scaling to ghosts and in the formers case outright stated to be current Danny's equal, current Danny is on the same as Dan (Clockwork Overshadowed), who is capable of destroying the current cosmology, which the original humans created fighting each other.

That description is just saying some of the current few humans that do scale like (Valerie, Jazz etc) are on the same level as old humans because they are comparable in strength ghosts who can destroy what the old humans created (the current cosmology).

The original humans created the current cosmology by fighting each other, they became the oldest ghosts, the oldest ones are Pariah Dark and Fright Knight as they mentioned their domains are the oldest. There is no difference between Danny Phantom, Ember McLain (Current ghosts) to Pariah Dark and Fright Knight in terms of physiology, the humans of today become ghosts just like the humans of the past, why would we treat them any different?

Yeah literally no one interacts with the original ones.

They don't need to interact with the original ones because their current scaling is to characters who are on that level. Also The Seven, Pariah Dark, Fright Knight etc. are the older humans... Remember, the original humans spirits were torn from their bodies and put into the Ghost Zone when it was created, becoming the first ghosts. Pariah's Keep is the oldest structure and inside it they found the source (the old language that explains how the current cosmology was created and the source of all ghost energy) and Fright Knight didn't want them to find it. Written on Pariah's Crown, and Fright Knight's sword is the same old language and the Seven sealed Pariah Dark and Fright Knight away Eons ago and use that language. The current human world follows the dinosaurs, the 16 hundreds with mid evil dragons, the 60s era so the likes Pariah Dark and them already existed long before current humans.

Clockwork also would be one of the older humans since he's the embodiment of time which includes the Ghost Zone. Unless we start arguing time only came into existence when the current humans showed up which is after the dinosaurs... Either way Danny has already interacted with the old humans in the form of their ghost selves (Pariah Dark, Fright Knight etc), so yes, they've interacted with and boxed with some of the original humans just in ghost form, and mind you Pariah Dark can fold Clockwork so yes, the like 7 current humans scaling to the older humans isn't an issue. It's not even a 1 to 1 comparison, it's really just suppose to mean their on their level.

 

[JJSliderman]

Yeah but, the specifics of the war itself are rather vague, we don’t know with what means the original beings split the world. There’s no confirmation the original humans used their physical power to split the world as opposed to some kind of weaponry

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Yeah but, the specifics of the war itself are rather vague, we don’t know with what means the original beings split the world. There’s no confirmation the original humans used their physical power to split the world as opposed to some kind of weaponry

It already told us what happened. It was the emotional energy they outputted... You know the ultimate power in the universe. Like of course they didn't split the world with a karate chop, no one said they did.

Let's look at the scan once again (left panel)

"In the beginning, there was nothing and everything.

"All worlds were one. All beings were one. Until disharmony struck,

"Life and it's chaos amount to a war, such as never had been before.

"The toll became too much to bear, and the great divide occurred. Spirit was ripped from the earth, and one world became two.

"Each beings energies - wrath, love, fear, sadness - any and all that the physical world could not hold belong to the to the spirit realm."

It's literally stated that the physical world could not hold all the emotional energy. We are told that emotions are the greatest power in the Danny Phantom universe and the spirit realm in question is the Ghost Zone, and the Ghost Zone like the ghosts are made up of ectoplasm/ghost energy, and it's directly stated twice in this book that the ultimate power (emotions) is the source of all ghost energy/ectoplasm.

This makes sense because in this book, it's stated that ghosts are manifestations of real human emotions and in the show, their bodies are considered manifestations of ectoplasmic energy and post human consciousness. All this is accepted and can be found on the Ghost Physiology (Danny Phantom) page and the cosmology blog.

So I ask, where is it stated that they used some sort of weapon? I never once said they used physical might, as currently mentioned on all characters profiles, they have a varies rating because emotional energy (which they all have) impacts their overall stats and the old humans released so much during the war that reality couldn't handle it and the Ghost Zone was made as a result of that toll on reality, a realm that could hold all that emotions because it was made from it.

Old humans (who took part in the war specifically) created the current cosmology from all the emotional energy they generated could not be held by the physical world, creating the Ghost Zone

Current humans (Those who prove themselves) possess the same emotional energy like humans of the past seeing as they become ghosts just like them and have displayed the ability to combat and match ghosts capable or comparable to the ones that can destroy the current cosmology.

I feel like y'all are moving the goal post, first it's...

1. "Current humans haven't done that feat"

Counter: Yes, because current humans haven't had a war like that, second of all the current humans (aka like 7 or 8 out of the whole human race) are scaling because they can fight ghosts who can do something on that level.

2. "No one's interacted with humans of the past."

Counter: They're comparable to their ghost selves which the cast have interacted with. And once again, has nothing to do with scaling because the point is they can reach that level from interacting with ghosts which would make them comparable regardless of if they interacted.

3. "The war was vague, we don't know if they physically did it or if a weapon was used.

Counter: Not true, we were told that the world couldn't hold all the emotional energy and the divide occurred because of a toll on reality, creating the Ghost Zone which is made from ectoplasm like ghosts, which comes from emotions/emotional energy. It's not hard to put two and two together, and since emotions are the greatest power in the universe and is a universal energy system, the humans that took part in the war would scale. It's not about them being able to punch and do the feat or some super weapons, it's about them generating and being empowered by the emotional energy that put so much stress on reality that it resulted in the creation of another dimension that could hold that power.

If it pleases y'all greatly I'll make another thread after this one and clear it up or remove it so I don't half to deal with these arguments that aren't connected to the scaling. Can we please drop this subject now? I'm not trying to come off rude but I can't look up anything DP related off sight without seeing statements that shouldn't exist or that should be obvious if we all read the same books it's like that damn Dragon Ball meme "Dragon Ball fans can't read" but put Danny Phantom instead. And again this isn't directed at you guys, but we got people who still think the graphic novels aren't canon!.

 

[JJSliderman]

Sounds fine, I guess I was a little 50/50 on cosmology scaling so having clarification would be nice.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

OP looks fine to me.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Since this thread is simple fixing a mistake of an already accepted rating and has a staff member agreement (I could also count myself but I don't like doing that) I'll go ahead and update the profiles.

I have the thread regarding the the original humans split feat clarification written out so I'll post it today so to clarify the feat and why it's being used in scaling.