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Shibai Otsutsuki Universal+ Removel

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If only the otsutsuki god could use it, then how could Eida use it?

These are bad examples. Because they would just link Nika or Adnyeus. There is no other otsutsuki god known about except Shibai to this day, so even saying there are others is headcanon.
Eida as the cells of an otutsuki god implanted in her. And her lack of control over it is prove to Momoshiki’s statement of being omnipotent and omniscience to control it.

That is false Momoshiki’s mentions the existence of other gods, shibai just happens to be the current topic since he ties to the plot.
 
This point is full of headcanon.

Never is it stated in any source that more chakra fruits give you more shinjutsu. That's headcanon in itself.
Never is it stated that he gained these abilities through the consumption of chakra fruits. That's headcanon in itself.
It says that he learned them in his life. I've grabbed the scans saying that he learned them over and over and yall look at it and throw it in my face as if i never said it.

Shibai is not solely known for becoming a god. He was known because he was a master of many shinjutsu, and he was also called a god.
He is the Sarutobi of the Otsutsuki.

Because the dude is literally a human turning into a otsutsuki through evolving.

You say this after I repeatedly send the scan saying he learned all of them.

Examples of characters who learn Shinjutsu through evolution ≠ all Shinjutsu is learned through evolution

I'm doing it because I'm showing yall exactly how I feel when yall up and read my words then just flip instantly over.

Certain people not being able to learn other peoples' shinjutsu ≠ all shinjutsu is unlearnable.

It isn't clear

She can't control it, but she can wield it. 2 different things.

Nika is the name of a person and Luffy adopted his powers, which is why Nika has his own sections on every site. The Soul King is a title and very few/none call Yhwach by that title.

It says that 1 dude manipulated them many times, not many dudes manipulated them many times.
Not a single shinjutsu has ever been learned in the history of the entire franchise you are just using blatant head canon. In fact isshiki told code to go and devour planets until he becomes a god one aspect of godhood we've been shown in boruto is mastery over shinjutsu so yes godhood and shinjutsu acquisition are linked.
 
It's linking to him because he's the only point of reference for Otsutsuki Gods, it's the only other page that drops some info regarding the process of becoming one, so for those seeking more info about the O.G. would be redirected to the only page that can provide more info, this by itself isn't enough to claim Shibai did anything. Also are you gonna hyperfixate on the actions of a staff running the website instead of using common sense?
They linked a character profile database when speaking of a certain individual?
the text in the MANGA, never mentions anyone specific, it just says one O.G. did this and left it at that, you are forcefully misreading it
The text in the manga lacks it, and the extra canon shows Shibai, so we say Shibai.
Not a single shinjutsu has ever been learned in the history of the entire franchise you are just using blatant head canon. In fact isshiki told code to go and devour planets until he becomes a god one aspect of godhood we've been shown in boruto is mastery over shinjutsu so yes godhood and shinjutsu acquisition are linked.
(あらゆる「神術」を身につけ「神」と呼ばれるまでになった Arayuru [Shinjutsu] o mi ni tsuke [Kami] to yobareru made ni natta)
They have learned all and every "Shinjutsu" and have been called a "god."
I'm not going to do this with you all night
Eida as the cells of an otutsuki god implanted in her. And her lack of control over it is prove to Momoshiki’s statement of being omnipotent and omniscience to control it.
TLDR: She can use it, she just can't control it
That is false Momoshiki’s mentions the existence of other gods, shibai just happens to be the current topic since he ties to the plot.
Fine
 
What makes momoshiki's statement any different? It can still be poetic/symbolic. Obito claimed hagoromo made the world. Madara claimed the forces of yin and yang made the world. These are just belief systems no different then people believing in a god without proof
Because context matters, making blanket arguments based on other examples is terrible, because I can just as easily use the literal examples to argue the opposite.
No you use the text that is given to you.

and the actual wording and context do not imply symbolic or poetic language, in fact Ikemoto uses symbolic language significantly less than Kishimoto, the prime example being Uzuhiko.

かつて「神」となった大筒木が、今ある世界を創る際に用いたとされる術。
あらゆる意思を具現化する究極の力。

本来大筒木にしか扱えない力であるため、エイダはこれを制御できず、
現状"潜在的な願望を無自覚に具現化する能力"となっている。

its fairly direct in what it means, the severe lack of the usual qualifiers for poetic language is pretty obvious.

If the statement were intended to be symbolic or poetic, it would include common metaphor markers or softer verbs like 形作る or 生み出す, none of which are present. Instead, it uses concrete language with technical terms and functional phrasing about usage and control, which strongly signals a literal description.

I also think people are putting too much English connotations on the word "the world as it currently is" as it might read as implying a functional change that lead to the current world, however the kanji and context here pretty mundane and is used fairly commonly to just mean the world as it is, or present world. or in other words it can be translated as "was used to create the world" with no extra additions and would still be accurate.

the only truly ambiguous part of this statement is the scope of the creation,which will be reliant on the setting of the story for readers to extrapolate from.
 
This point is full of headcanon.

Never is it stated in any source that more chakra fruits give you more shinjutsu. That's headcanon in itself.
Never is it stated that he gained these abilities through the consumption of chakra fruits. That's headcanon in itself.
It says that he learned them in his life. I've grabbed the scans saying that he learned them over and over and yall look at it and throw it in my face as if i never said it.

Shibai is not solely known for becoming a god. He was known because he was a master of many shinjutsu, and he was also called a god.
He is the Sarutobi of the Otsutsuki.

Because the dude is literally a human turning into a otsutsuki through evolving.

You say this after I repeatedly send the scan saying he learned all of them.

Examples of characters who learn Shinjutsu through evolution ≠ all Shinjutsu is learned through evolution

I'm doing it because I'm showing yall exactly how I feel when yall up and read my words then just flip instantly over.

Certain people not being able to learn other peoples' shinjutsu ≠ all shinjutsu is unlearnable.

It isn't clear

She can't control it, but she can wield it. 2 different things.

Nika is the name of a person and Luffy adopted his powers, which is why Nika has his own sections on every site. The Soul King is a title and very few/none call Yhwach by that title.

It says that 1 dude manipulated them many times, not many dudes manipulated them many times.
Headcanon? Just translate the very word used for arquired yourself and stop repeating yourself.. come back and tell whether it means to learn from scratch. And you keep ignoring the fact that other otutsuki god have been stated to have omnipotence too stop stallling man..
 
This point is full of headcanon.

Never is it stated in any source that more chakra fruits give you more shinjutsu. That's headcanon in itself.
Never is it stated that he gained these abilities through the consumption of chakra fruits. That's headcanon in itself.
It says that he learned them in his life. I've grabbed the scans saying that he learned them over and over and yall look at it and throw it in my face as if i never said it.

Shibai is not solely known for becoming a god. He was known because he was a master of many shinjutsu, and he was also called a god.
He is the Sarutobi of the Otsutsuki.

Because the dude is literally a human turning into a otsutsuki through evolving.

You say this after I repeatedly send the scan saying he learned all of them.

Examples of characters who learn Shinjutsu through evolution ≠ all Shinjutsu is learned through evolution

I'm doing it because I'm showing yall exactly how I feel when yall up and read my words then just flip instantly over.

Certain people not being able to learn other peoples' shinjutsu ≠ all shinjutsu is unlearnable.

It isn't clear

She can't control it, but she can wield it. 2 different things.

Nika is the name of a person and Luffy adopted his powers, which is why Nika has his own sections on every site. The Soul King is a title and very few/none call Yhwach by that title.

It says that 1 dude manipulated them many times, not many dudes manipulated them many times.
no the point is because code is human so he can't properly use or master Karma NO MATTER how much he trains or learns. He needs to evolve by consuming a chakra fruit stated by Isshiki himself.

bruh the kanji what you keep saying is learning is not set in stone. It's a context based thing.

here : 「神術」を身につけ (Shinjutsu o mi ni tsuke): Acquired / Mastered "Divine Techniques" (Shinjutsu).

「神」と呼ばれる (Kami to yobareru): To be called "God"

までになった (Made ni natta): Reached the point where / Evolved to the extent that he became a god.

it's an evolutionary process, learning can be exchanged with acquired or mastered.

The literal meaning of mi ni tsuke (身につけ) is
"to acquire" or "to equip on the body."

bruh eida can neither control nor wield Omnipotence that is the Point of the story. it has been stated already multiple times.

Nika is an entity luffy gained his powers and status after consuming his fruit, Yhwach became the SK after consuming SK, many people call Yhwach SK man.
The point is both luffy and Yhwach are similar enough to be used to index what a god means in both series, just Like Shibai was used.
 
Headcanon? Just translate the very word used for arquired yourself and stop repeating yourself.. come back and tell whether it means to learn from scratch.
@Shadowbokunohero or another translator (Shadow I tagged you cause you were up sorry)
what does を身につけ mean?
And you keep ignoring the fact that other otutsuki god have been stated to have omnipotence too stop stallling man..
i literally said fine.
 
no the point is because code is human so he can't properly use or master Karma NO MATTER how much he trains or learns. He needs to evolve by consuming a chakra fruit stated by Isshiki himself.
Incorrect, it's cause his Karma isn't regular and he's a human, so when he becomes an otsutsuki
bruh the kanji what you keep saying is learning is not set in stone. It's a context based thing.

here : 「神術」を身につけ (Shinjutsu o mi ni tsuke): Acquired / Mastered "Divine Techniques" (Shinjutsu).

「神」と呼ばれる (Kami to yobareru): To be called "God"

までになった (Made ni natta): Reached the point where / Evolved to the extent that he became a god.

it's an evolutionary process, learning can be exchanged with acquired or mastered.

The literal meaning of mi ni tsuke (身につけ) is
"to acquire" or "to equip on the body."
Quite literally every single example of this verbage shows someone actually studying learning and honing a skill, not acquiring it through getting order.
bruh eida can neither control nor wield Omnipotence that is the Point of the story. it has been stated already multiple times.
For her to wield it it means she can use it. She can't wield it FREELY but she can wield it. Semantics of hell.
Nika is an entity luffy gained his powers and status after consuming his fruit, Yhwach became the SK after consuming SK, many people call Yhwach SK man.
The point is both luffy and Yhwach are similar enough to be used to index what a god means in both series, just Like Shibai was used.
If someone says "Nika freed them" nobody is going to link Luffy's profile. They will link Nika, or link nothing at all.
If someone says "The Soul King holds together the universe", no one is linking Yhwach.
If they say "A god made the world", they aren't gonna link a random dude. That's like saying an Uchiha controlled Kurama during pain's invasion and they link fugaku.
 
For her to wield it it means she can use it. She can't wield it FREELY but she can wield it. Semantics of hell.
Can she wield it no.. She can’t do shit with it it more like omnipotence is wielding her.. read the series’s man readdd


@Shadowbokunohero or another translator (Shadow I tagged you cause you were up sorry)
what does を身につけ mean?

i literally said fine.
No you can’t just say fine .. and then proceed with arguments that not correlating..

You must readd

It was in the next panel we got a description of what a god had used it to do which is just part of it ability… because it materializes the will of the wielder.



Hello read….

If they all have omnipotence, any of them can use it to create a world. They can be severe universes randomly created because they all already reached the state where it’s possible.. not only that they are required to be omniscience and omnipotent to use omnipotence, they all share that same state.
 
Incorrect, it's cause his Karma isn't regular and he's a human, so when he becomes an otsutsuki

Quite literally every single example of this verbage shows someone actually studying learning and honing a skill, not acquiring it through getting order.

Incorrect, it's cause his Karma isn't regular and he's a human, so when he becomes an otsutsuki

Quite literally every single example of this verbage shows someone actually studying learning and honing a skill, not acquiring it through getting order.

For her to wield it it means she can use it. She can't wield it FREELY but she can wield it. Semantics of hell.

If someone says "Nika freed them" nobody is going to link Luffy's profile. They will link Nika, or link nothing at all.
If someone says "The Soul King holds together the universe", no one is linking Yhwach.
If they say "A god made the world", they aren't gonna link a random dude. That's like saying an Uchiha controlled Kurama during pain's invasion and they link fugaku.
Shinjutsu can only be acquired not learned arguing that Shibai learned his shinjutsu makes zero sense
 
Samlex.
What is your argument.
What are your answers to below because only then can any valid argument be extabilhed because right now you are everywhere.


Are all Otsutsuki going for the same state?

Do all Otsutsuki gods have omnipotence once they achieve this state?

is a god described as omnipotent and omniscience?

Is omnipotence stated to be a programming language that materializes will?

Did a god use omnipotence to create the world?

When describing gods manipulating memories is described in the same panel as the creation of the world or separate?
 
Incorrect, it's cause his Karma isn't regular and he's a human, so when he becomes an otsutsuki

Quite literally every single example of this verbage shows someone actually studying learning and honing a skill, not acquiring it through getting order.

For her to wield it it means she can use it. She can't wield it FREELY but she can wield it. Semantics of hell.

If someone says "Nika freed them" nobody is going to link Luffy's profile. They will link Nika, or link nothing at all.
If someone says "The Soul King holds together the universe", no one is linking Yhwach.
If they say "A god made the world", they aren't gonna link a random dude. That's like saying an Uchiha controlled Kurama during pain's invasion and they link fugaku.
again wrong, The point of this is me telling you code can't train karma and perfect it, he needs to evolve via a chakra fruit.

bro the kanji's i showed you literally says something different, To equip on the body is via his evolution process.
we cut out some parts but the full thing says talks about shibai who consumed countless worlds and gained all shinjutsu?

There is a sequence order, shibai consumed numeruous fruits and gained many/ALL shinjutsu. The story literally says it's through evolution.

I would say the correct verbiage is that Omnipotence is using her, as it reacts not only to her but others as well.

The whole point of one piece now is talking about Nika and who they are in the different era's. They are liberators just like the first Nika, it's a parallel. That can be used to index what a god of liberation is in One piece because Luffy share a similar status to Nika. Yhwach as well shares a similar status to SK after he absorbed him.

The god that is linked is an Example of a god not who did it, it's a status based thing and to index and explain what a god is
 
@Shadowbokunohero or another translator (Shadow I tagged you cause you were up sorry)
what does を身につけ mean?
to acquire or to master something like a skill, habit, or knowledge.

uhh i guess non powerscaling example would be

日本語を身につけたい!

or i want to master japanese.

taken literally its like to to wear on oneself, like internalizing a skill
 
They linked a character profile database when speaking of a certain individual?
Yeah said character profile gives insight to Otsutuski Gods and the process of becoming one, it doesn't list Shibai exclusive info like what food he likes, they just added the line of how he became one and closed off at that, it's the only available page that gives further insight to this new mysterious group of individuals

It also could just be a hint due of a plot twist of some sort that settles said issue as Boruto is an ongoing story with many lore elements hinted at but never actualized yet, details for said possibility of Shibai doing xyz are unknown and thus not definitive, adding to that, the fact that a staff edit on a website to make researching about the story easier is being used to make arguments should be enough to throw out this flimsy ass argument
 
to acquire or to master something like a skill, habit, or knowledge.

uhh i guess non powerscaling example would be

日本語を身につけたい!

or i want to master japanese.

taken literally its like to to wear on oneself, like internalizing a skill
So this isn't something like growing up and "acquiring" facial hair, it's not just something you gain.
It's something you teach or drill onto yourself?
Thank you.
 
So this isn't something like growing up and "acquiring" facial hair, it's not just something you gain.
It's something you teach or drill onto yourself?
Thank you.
Okay??? What is argument.. How does this affect the god that used it to create the world.. Because if you say Shibai was not a god when he gained., a god still created the world.. it still has a criteria of welder being omniscience and omnipotent to wield.. like what is your argument…
 
Okay??? What is argument.. How does this affect the god that used it to create the world.. Because if you say Shibai was not a god when he gained., a god still created the world.. it still has a criteria of welder being omniscience and omnipotent to wield.. like what is your argument…
@SlendVeny yo you are my witness bro I swear
 
So this isn't something like growing up and "acquiring" facial hair, it's not just something you gain.
It's something you teach or drill onto yourself?
Thank you.
the actual method of how you acquire it isnt really important, just that whatever it is, is internalized and taken into you as a person, so drilling into yourself is fine english comparison.

for example you can use the term even in the context of saying something like you acquired respect because your father beat the shit out of you.

that being said ill have to disagree with you in regard to Otsutsuki using genetic information to gain abilities, we see Momoshiki himself gain Kinshiki's weapon creation abilities after devouring him.
 
the actual method of how you acquire it isnt really important, just that whatever it is, is internalized and taken into you as a person, so drilling into yourself is fine english comparison.

for example you can use the term even in the context of saying something like you acquired respect because your father beat the shit out of you.

that being said ill have to disagree with you in regard to Otsutsuki using genetic information to gain abilities, we see Momoshiki himself gain Kinshiki's weapon creation abilities after devouring him.
I'm not saying that you don't gain shinjutsu/abilities via chakra fruits, you definitely can
I'm just saying Shibai quite blatantly is stated to have learned all shinjutsu possible.
 
The thread was going nowhere and I was asking him what his argument was so we could get on track and he chose to talk about NOTHING OF SUBSTANCE
 
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