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Shibai Otsutsuki Universal+ Removel

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Because context matters, making blanket arguments based on other examples is terrible, because I can just as easily use the literal examples to argue the opposite.
No you use the text that is given to you.

and the actual wording and context do not imply symbolic or poetic language, in fact Ikemoto uses symbolic language significantly less than Kishimoto, the prime example being Uzuhiko.
Ikemoto says Omnipotence can manifest anything yet it's stated and shown it doesn't work on the user or the otsusuki. He also says koji can see all possible futures yet koji gets updates on futures he didn't see. So he's known to exagerate aswell
かつて「神」となった大筒木が、今ある世界を創る際に用いたとされる術。
あらゆる意思を具現化する究極の力。

本来大筒木にしか扱えない力であるため、エイダはこれを制御できず、
現状"潜在的な願望を無自覚に具現化する能力"となっている。

its fairly direct in what it means, the severe lack of the usual qualifiers for poetic language is pretty obvious.
Just because he's direct in this instance doesn't not mean its the same for everything else. For example when talking about kurama's reincarnation he's speaking from what characters believe in the story rather then being direct. He uses words like "it's said" "it's believed" "it's uknown"he clearly doesn't want to give a direct answer. He uses this same language when talking about omnipotence creating. It's far to vague to call it a diffenitve statement. He would have just "shibai created the world" rather then "it's said a god the world"
If the statement were intended to be symbolic or poetic, it would include common metaphor markers or softer verbs like 形作る or 生み出す, none of which are present. Instead, it uses concrete language with technical terms and functional phrasing about usage and control, which strongly signals a literal description.
Those aren't used when obito says hagromo created the world or the 10 tails creating the universe the were all direct statements.
I also think people are putting too much English connotations on the word "the world as it currently is" as it might read as implying a functional change that lead to the current world, however the kanji and context here pretty mundane and is used fairly commonly to just mean the world as it is, or present world. or in other words it can be translated as "was used to create the world" with no extra additions and would still be accurate.

the only truly ambiguous part of this statement is the scope of the creation,which will be reliant on the setting of the story for readers to extrapolate from.
Yes it definitely needs more context
 
are you insinuating prior threads had low staff action

If I was a non HST staff I too would avoid this thread after seeing 9 pages and new pages being added every business hour, buncha RVR reports and it devolving into a free for all instead of going per what OP had laid out
I honestly think this thread should be closed simply due to the toxic nature and remade in a cleaner manner, one that doesn't have a terrible opening post that needs to be hard carried by other random people
 
are you insinuating prior threads had low staff action
Yes
Ikemoto says Omnipotence can manifest anything yet it's stated and shown it doesn't work on the user or the otsusuki. He also says koji can see all possible futures yet koji gets updates on futures he didn't see. So he's known to exagerate aswell
Ngl it’s just called reality warping with limitations.
 
Ikemoto says Omnipotence can manifest anything yet it's stated and shown it doesn't work on the user or the otsusuki. He also says koji can see all possible futures yet koji gets updates on futures he didn't see. So he's known to exagerate aswell
this is a really terrible argument,just because Koji gets updates on futures he didn’t initially see doesn’t mean he exaggerates,it just means the future is probabilistic, not fixed. Seeing “all possible futures” doesn’t guarantee he perceives every single outcome perfectly in real time.
Just because he's direct in this instance doesn't not mean its the same for everything else. For example when talking about kurama's reincarnation he's speaking from what characters believe in the story rather then being direct. He uses words like "it's said" "it's believed" "it's uknown"he clearly doesn't want to give a direct answer. He uses this same language when talking about omnipotence creating. It's far to vague to call it a diffenitve statement. He would have just "shibai created the world" rather then "it's said a god the world"
hedging doesnt erase the claim, its said a god created the world still asserts it happened, just framed as reported, not questioned.
Those aren't used when obito says hagromo created the world or the 10 tails creating the universe the were all direct statements.
they were not, especially the ten tails creating the world one, also obito's words are not entirely inaccurate, there's still a massive chunk of the earth missing after sealing the ten tails that would need to be accounted for.
Yes it definitely needs more context
which comes from the setting, which anyone can extrapolate from.
 
I take offence to do that since I was running said thread and it had like 6 different evaluating staff (you included) being approved by 4 and a huge chunk of it of said proposal deeply inspected and rejected by 2 of them so that’s simply untrue
i'm referring to many other threads bro, not the specific prior one, but as a whole, don't worry, this regards the whole hst including mine
 
i aint gon lie i haven't been keeping up for last couple of pages, did more mods come through in agreeance outside of Viet? if not, shouldn't this shi be wrapped up
 
Just to be clear; I disagree with this thread and KT’s post aswell. I’ve just not gotten enough time to settle down to make a proper response.
 
you can count me as disagree too, the OP's arguments are not super convincing at all, most if not all the arguments have answers in the original thread. and if they are new arguments they often founded in minimization, instead of being rooted in a logical deduction its based on dismissing everything and anything to the contrary as hyperbolic or exaggerated without any nuance. and given as other users have pointed out about OP's past comments, its very unlikely that this thread was created with the intent of trying to get a more accurate scale for the series as this would explain the sloppy argumentation and bad faith interpretations.

That original thread may have a few critical points that could be reevaluated but this is certainly not the thread to do so.
 
you can count me as disagree too, the OP's arguments are not super convincing at all, most if not all the arguments have answers in the original thread. and if they are new arguments they often founded in minimization, instead of being rooted in a logical deduction its based on dismissing everything and anything to the contrary as hyperbolic or exaggerated without any nuance. and given as other users have pointed out about OP's past comments, its very unlikely that this thread was created with the intent of trying to get a more accurate scale for the series as this would explain the sloppy argumentation and bad faith interpretations.
I'm not dismissing everything I'm saying they aren't diffenitve statements.You yourself already said the "creation of the world" statement needs more context. But okay I understand your reasoning.
That original thread may have a few critical points that could be reevaluated but this is certainly not the thread to do so.
Depending on how this thread goes maybe. Right now 2 mods agree and 2 disagree.
 
The wording could mean planet or universal, but why go for the high end if it’s not explicit? If we have to use some liberal or subjective interpretation of the wording, then it should have been tagged with a ‘Possibly’ rating at the very least, if it actually went through.

I’d be more comfortable with not rating it at all, until we got something concrete. But if it’s going to stay, I’d say it should definitely be with a ‘Possibly’ rating.
 
The wording could mean planet or universal, but why go for the high end if it’s not explicit? If we have to use some liberal or subjective interpretation of the wording, then it should have been tagged with a ‘Possibly’ rating at the very least, if it actually went through.
World can mean more then just universe or planet. World can mean society. Which could also be possible since momoshiki says the Gods use this to rewrite memories in the past essential "changing the world/reality as we know it". Yea idk why people go for the high end here rather then just waiting for more context
I’d be more comfortable with not rating it at all, until we got something concrete. But if it’s going to stay, I’d say it should definitely be with a ‘Possibly’ rating.
I think it needs a lot more evidence if your trying to argue universal+
 
Honestly I feel like Uni+ Shibai should’ve waited until he actually reveals himself, we still know lil about him.
Exactly especially for these high end claims being made here. You would think hagromo would have created the world and could create anything with COAT had he not been shown later on in the show
 
So the current justification is that those Gods were said to create the world, and this is being tied to the entire cosmology via something I do not know.
I vaguely remember seeing someone saying Shibai created it, with 2 arguments of 'no he didn't, the website is just citing Gods as a whole when linking him to the God that created the world' and the other was that he was 'in another universe'.
I'm gonna guess the last argument was thrown out the window.

Can somebody that actually paid attention (not me) make a summary? This has gotten pretty long.
 
The wording could mean planet or universal, but why go for the high end if it’s not explicit? If we have to use some liberal or subjective interpretation of the wording, then it should have been tagged with a ‘Possibly’ rating at the very least, if it actually went through.

I’d be more comfortable with not rating it at all, until we got something concrete. But if it’s going to stay, I’d say it should definitely be with a ‘Possibly’ rating.
Because oats go around eating planets around the entire universe. Kaguya herself can create a solar system sized dimension, Momoshiki is stated to have created his dimension and lesser characters make entire moons. So planets are nothing special for them to create hence why universe was used, afterall we are talking about a characters that is so strong in comparison to another’s in the verse that they seem insignificant
Exactly especially for these high end claims being made here. You would think hagromo would have created the world and could create anything with COAT had he not been shown later on in the show
You are the one that is taking the statement out of its definition. It’s says that it can bring anything from naught not that in can create the entire universe and I already explained why the hags created the world statement is not what you make it out to be but you just ignored it
 
Because oats go around eating planets around the entire universe. Kaguya herself can create a solar system sized dimension, Momoshiki is stated to have created his dimension and lesser characters make entire moons. So planets are nothing special for them to create hence why universe was used, afterall we are talking about a characters that is so strong in comparison to another’s in the verse that they seem insignificant

You are the one that is taking the statement out of its definition. It’s says that it can bring anything from naught not that in can create the entire universe and I already explained why the hags created the world statement is not what you make it out to be but you just ignored it
My bad what did you say about hagoromo creating the world? The Naruto databook says "it gave rise to all things". My point is hagromo is like shibai in Naruto. He was thought to have created all ninjustu which later turned out not to be true
 
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Maybe what did you say about hagoromo creating the world? The Naruto databook says "it gave rise to all things".
First thing is first, provide a scan for that.

Secondly it says to all things not the universe itself. That’s a very big jump in logic to assume it’s gonna create the universe when it’s never stated or insisted on. Omnipotence directly claims to have created the universe while CoAT is for “all things” which is not the universe.

Your quick to assume that things like CoAT and hags world creation statement means universe when there is no narrative implication while also denying Omnipotence universe creation when it has narrative implications.

This is just being dishonest and hypocritical
My point is hagromo is like shibai in Naruto. He was thought to have created all ninjustu which later turned out not to be true
Once again do you have any proof that hags didn’t create ninjutsu? Perhaps a scan? Or any narrative evidence that contradict it? You having nothing of the sorts and just claim things while not backing them up with evidence.

We have explicit statements of hags being the one responsible for ninjutsu in the modern world while you have no evidence denying that claim.

Your very CRT was created this way, bunch of claims with no proof to back them up and nothing new to counter L2C omnipotence that hasn’t been addressed in previous thread. Plus there is proof of you having created this thread out of spite which makes sense given its quality and misinformation your replaying with
Only stated difference between ninjutsu and shinjutsu is that one doesn't require kneading chakra. Their are some ninjustu that are better then some shinjutsu. For example kamui is better then codes claw mark shinjutsu by miles.
making it seem that you never actually read the series in the first place or the thread that got it accepted
 
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Heard that though.

First of all I'm pretty sure with a verse as big as Naruto/Boruto you need 3 staff agreeals for it but since it went through I don't really care too much.

Regarding the OP​

The Otsutsuki do come from a different planet. They aren't predatehistoryesque individuals, they come from another planet, meaning that if that planet predated them, the universe predated them.

The lore of the Otsutsuki is not that they just had ancient gods who created the universe and everything in it. Momoshiki's statement was not referring to any transcendent individuals who existed prior to the birth of the universe. It was referring to those who were TURNED into gods (notice how he blatantly said BECAME). And as we know, the only way you turn into an otsutsuki god is if you eat the fruit of divine trees, said fruit that is rooted from the chakra of planets, said planets (which have to be a diabolical crap ton) which come from the already existing universe.

The entire point of the Otsutsuki will is that they are a race of mortal aliens meant to endlessly evolve until they reach godhood, which contradicts the belief that there were previously existing deities that just created the world. And that could be deduced I guess, but to deduce that from the statements of Momoshiki who is blatantly speaking about those who already exist, that just shows that this is wrong.

The previous OP can't use statements of "people evolved through these existing planets to create these pre-existing planets that predate them", that's just wrong.

I noted that I agree with the OP because the OP made a point. It was horribly written but it was a point.

Even in the previous OP, they blatantly say this

The nature of Shibai is that he was a mortal who became an immortal through the usage of frequent god trees. If he's of the same nature, and it's blatantly said that an otsutsuki became a god, then we can deduce that the same nature being spoken of is the divine nature that was given based on constant evolution based on the pre-existent planets.

TLDR

Otsutsuki gods only exist when Otsutsuki evolve -> Otsutsuki evolve when they eat chakra fruits -> chakra fruits come from planets -> you can't have an otsutsuki god without planets -> an otsutsuki god couldn't have created everything in existence if he needed that existence to become a god -> an otsutsuki god didn't create everything in existence
Good day to you, my dear friend.

With all due respect, I would like to inquire where these theories originate. They do not even align with the internal logic of the story.

First, we must clarify that according to Hagoromo’s statement in his stone tablet, an unknown god created this world through conflicting forces such as thesis and synthesis, or matter and antimatter. This is stated by someone who has gained immense knowledge as a researcher, has transcended the cycle of Samsara, and is one for whom time has already passed. He is the possessor of the Truth-Seeking Orbs, which are the grantors of truth and the essence of all things.¹ This is a statement from a credible authority and does not contradict the narrative logic.

Let me clarify from the start: the only part that Black Zetsu rewritten was the section regarding the Infinite Tsukuyomi. Therefore, please do not suggest that the entire tablet is invalid.

Furthermore, according to the Naruto Databook, we learn of a god who gave life to existence through a piece of the God Tree, which later became known as the Ten-Tails. This information confirms the presence of an Otsutsuki—the very entity whose existence you seek to deny. This denial is debunked by a holistic view of the Naruto story, even without needing Boruto, rendering your theories invalid.

The final evidence comes from the Boruto manga covers regarding Omnipotence:
"The jutsu an Otsutsuki who had evolved into a god was said to have used to create this world that we know."
As you can see, it states that this unknown entity reached godhood before the existence of this world and brought this universe into being through his power. This text aligns perfectly with previous scriptures without contradiction.

God, through his Omnipotence—which is described as a "programming language" of reality—and via the Tree, bestowed two things upon this universe: Yin and Yang. One for physical creation (Yang) and the other for breathing life into it (Yin).² Interestingly, this perfectly matches Hagoromo’s tablet.

Regarding the phrase "It was said" in the text, I have already explained: the claim that this phrase implies exaggeration, doubt, or a deviation from the norm is completely groundless. Please do not dwell on something that does not exist.

Ultimately, your claims about the gods have no foundation. They are more like theories that go against the story, rather than being in line with it. Thus, Momoshiki’s statement regarding gods creating worlds is entirely accurate.

Furthermore, if you wish to argue that the "God" required planets and was therefore bound within this universe, that is merely a theory, not a textual inference. It contradicts the explicit statements in the story. Since we have no information about the state of existence "before" this world, perhaps it was a world destroyed by one god and rebuilt by another, or a realm of the gods from which this universe was manifested. All of these are just theories. Instead of theorizing, it is better to focus on what the story actually tells us.

In conclusion, your arguments lack sufficient evidence. We must pay attention to the narrative facts, not the "ifs" that form in our minds. Please reflect on this text; I hope it proves guiding.

Notice about text:
1:The one who carries the truth-seeking black orbs will be granted the truth of all things!!.*
2:THE SECRET JUTSU THAT CREATED ALL THINGS FROM NAUGHT
Yin Release which can create form out of naught and Yang Release which can instill life into that form. Deftly manipulating these two properties, the Sage of Six Paths -Ohtsutsuki Hagoromo developed the Creation of All Things Jutsu. He likewise created the nine bodies of the Bijuu from Ten Tails' chakra, making them another gift of Yin and Yang Release. Later, the Uchiha Clan would tend to inherit the power of Yin Release, while the Senju Clan would tend to inherit the power of Yang Release.*
 
I'm not saying that you don't gain shinjutsu/abilities via chakra fruits, you definitely can
I'm just saying Shibai quite blatantly is stated to have learned all shinjutsu possible.

Brother, the word used does not mean “learn from scratch.”


It refers to mastery or refinement honing something that already exists. You cannot “master” what you do not possess. That’s why I said: read to understand, not to push an agenda. Read the sentence in full. There is a reason Koji first emphasizes that Shibai had already devoured countless planets before hand.

We keep explaining this, and you keep ignoring it.

What is genetics (DNA)?

DNA stores biological traits, not memories or learned skills. If DNA stored memories or learned techniques, then what exactly would the brain be for?

Does the other pages we have posted not say that just to even control omnipotence you have to be a god who is Omnipotence and omniscience can shibai master an ability he can’t even control, think , think !!

Now look at the evidence already presented.


Evidence 1


Shibai’s abilities are explicitly stated to be engrained in his DNA.
He gained all only when he completed evolution after he evolved into godhood, not before, and not as something a random Ōtsutsuki could just “learn.”



Evidence 2

Momoshiki explicitly states that he knows all Shinjutsu. That is knowledge.

Yet he cannot use many of them. Why?

Not because he lacks understanding, but because he lacks the genetic makeup required to manifest them.
This directly confirms:
  • Momoshiki understands Shinjutsu
  • He understands godhood
  • He understands Shibai
  • He says muiltiple gods exist


Evidence 3

Further confirmation that these powers are rooted in Shibai’s genetics, again, DNA, not memory or learned skill.


Evidence 4

Shibai clearly completed godhood while still possessing a physical body.
That physical body is shown after his final evolution, which explains why Isshiki was able take it to harvest cells from it with the help of Amado.. Evident as to why some cyborgs awakened his powersss, why? Because the physical body still exist in their dimension.


Evidence 5

Momoshiki confirms the hypothesis that Shibai deliberately left his body behind.
The word deliberately matters. It implies:
  • He still had his body after completing his evolution
  • He consciously chose to discard it afterward





Evidence 6
Isshiki who is aware of Shibai used this visual below to represent a “god” we see that the being is represented with large body and the universe existing within them in the anime..Based know and the fact that his telling code to go for that same goal we can deduce that this is the form they all attain after discarding their body once godhood is completed which again is not really a physical form and is more Incorporeal In nature..
This aligns with Amado’s statement that Shibai discarded his physical body because it was no longer needed indicating transcendence of the need for physical existence and also transcending death.

This implies two states of godhood

  1. Physical godhood — where Shibai’s DNA still exists and can be accessed
  2. Incorporeal godhood — where the physical body is transcended


Because the genetics remain in the discarded body, those traits can still be awakened through transplantation.
 
perhaps it was a world destroyed by one god and rebuilt by another, or a realm of the gods from which this universe was manifested. All of these are just theories. Instead of theorizing, it is better to focus on what the story actually tells us.
I'm pretty sure this is the issue, believing that they created everything in the Cosmology with that Genesis statement.
But by focusing on what the story tells us, without theorizing as you have said, they rely on the Cosmology to have been created.

So since we have established the meaning of Genesis:
創世 by itself, in all of the J-J dictionaries i looked at, essentially translates to "the creation of the world" [using the same sekai, none of them specify universe or planet or whatever]
like KT mentioned above you have 創世記 which is specifically the book of genesis from the old testament but that's not the same word

They take it to be planetary as this has a more consistent portrayal in the verse (while some people here see that planetary is too consistent, and that he should be way higher, hence they randomly chose universal), the highest is illogical (requiring them to have created the previous universe you assume they may have come and where they ascended to, literally everything according to the Genesis the opposition is trying to align with) & there are no solid connections showing that it refers to a universe instead of a galaxy, planet or an English-speaking region.

The original justification relied too much on this Genesis statement tbh, I'd be more comfortable just not scaling it, until it is elaborated on in the manga.
 
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This thread shouldnt even be taken seriously due to its spite nature. If they have problems than they can have it addressed in another quality CRT
As much as I agree, the fact is that sufficient opposing arguments were made by other parties including myself, and if staff agree with those (I mean one of them is a staff himself), then this thread would be applied unless there are more staff who disagree within 48 hours since the creation of this thread
 
I'm pretty sure this is the issue, believing that they created everything in the Cosmology with that Genesis statement.
But by focusing on what the story tells us, without theorizing as you have said, they rely on the Cosmology to have been created.

So since we have established the meaning of Genesis:


They take it to be planetary as this has a more consistent portrayal in the verse (while some people here see that planetary is too consistent, and that he should be way higher, hence they randomly chose universal), the highest is illogical (requiring them to have created the previous universe you assume they may have come and where they ascended to, literally everything according to the Genesis the opposition is trying to align with) & there are no solid connections showing that it refers to a universe instead of a galaxy, planet or an English-speaking region.

The original justification relied too much on this Genesis statement tbh, I'd be more comfortable just not scaling it, until it is elaborated on in the manga.
Look, your argument is merely a narrow perspective.

We are not always meant to be mere observers who rely solely on formal and visual feats. This is precisely why statements exist. Therefore, I believe you should clarify the core of your critique, as there is absolutely no issue with using statements as long as they are not debunked or contradicted by the visual narrative. Many well-known verses, despite having visual feats only at the planetary level, have been scaled much higher based on their official statements.

Thus, I see no flaw in using statements as a basis for feats; your reasoning on this matter is not convincing. However, your concerns that the story might eventually show something to the contrary are understandable. Nevertheless, until such a contradiction occurs, these statements hold immense value. This is not a flaw in the storytelling; rather, these are the story's "mysteries" to be uncovered in the future. As long as they are not disproven within the narrative, they remain completely valid.

Now, setting aside the validity of statements, let us address your claim that the "creation of the world" refers only to a planet or a society.

The word 世界 (Sekai) indeed translates to "world." In truth, it refers to a part of the universe that is pervasive from a human perspective. The simplest example is "the people of this world." For instance, when we say:

この世界には、色々な人がいる。

The literal meaning is: "In this world, there are various kinds of people," but the concept it conveys is "in this society." However, it is also used for broader concepts such as the universe.

But I must ask you: in the Naruto series, do we actually refer to the Earth as "Sekai" in a general sense? Usually, when referring specifically to the planet, the term 地球 (Chikyū) is used. Furthermore, when the story refers to the "society," because the majority are ninjas, they typically use the following terms instead of Sekai:

Ninja World (忍界, Ninkai)
Shinobi World (忍の世界, Shinobi no Sekai)
Sometimes, the term is even used with the suffix for Sage (仙人, Sennin). Recall Toneri in the movie when he spoke to Naruto; Naruto replied, "I will protect the Earth" (referring to the physical planet).

On the other hand, do you truly believe a being like Momoshiki, who is an Otsutsuki—someone who has consumed numerous planets and possesses a "divine perspective" of the cosmos due to his travels—would mean "creating planets" when he says "Gods create worlds"? To suggest that a cosmic being with such an expansive view of space is merely talking about planets is quite far from literary logic and common sense.

Moreover, even if we were to assume your point, what would you do with Hagoromo’s tablet? As I argued in my previous text, we can perceive the entirety of existence through Hagoromo's inscriptions. How can you assign any meaning to the Kanji 森羅万象 (Shinra Banshō) other than the entire universe?

The original meaning of the four-character idiom "Shinra Banshō" (森羅万象)—sometimes pronounced as Shinra Bansō or Shinra Manshō—is "all phenomena in the universe."

森 (Shin): Meaning "dense forest."
羅 (Ra): Meaning "to set out in a row" or "to display." In this compound, it emphasizes the concept of a "vast expanse" or a "wide network."
万 (Ban/Man): Meaning "ten thousand," which in East Asian languages symbolizes "innumerable" or "all."
象 (Shō/Zō): Meaning "phenomenon," "thing," "appearance," or "manifestation."
Altogether, this phrase refers to everything that exists in the world—the entire cosmos and everything within it.

No matter how we look at it, we cannot claim that "God" merely created a planet, especially when concepts like Yin and Yang are mentioned alongside it. There is neither exaggeration nor ambiguity here; it is clear what he did. Therefore, until the story contradicts itself, you cannot dismiss these facts or regard them with unfounded suspicion.
 
Considering that most of what is being argued here isn't even present in the OP, and that all the supporters of the OP themselves have repeatedly stated that the OP is very low quality, and that we now have a 3v3 vote draw, I think this CRT should be closed and a new one can be opened by someone who can make a quality CRT themselves.
Who are the 3 against?

Godernet, Nierre, and who?
 
Aight then, let me ask you, do you think it means the planet then? because Momoshiki's statement was:

"it is said that 'God' used it in the process of creating the world. In other words it is a programming language for 'Genesis'"
If it is just Earth, what reason does Momoshiki has to call a random planet "the world"?

reread my comment. It was to clarify that the word doesn't refer to just the creation of something, but that it has cosmic ties.

I'm not connecting it tho. That's what the translator gave me. Feel free to translate it yourself.


Just to add a bit more to this, doesnt Ombipotence blantantly work on a cross dimensional scale? Even when Eida used it, it seemed to have reached/affected other dimensions, like Code having been affected.

If a Temu version of omnipotence can do that, then wouldn’t it stand to reason that the real thing is most definitely far beyond the scope of a planet?

EDIT: NVM. Didn’t notice the 7 new pages that popped up for this.
 
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Just to add a bit more to this, does Ombipotence blantantly work on a cross dimensional scale? Even when Eida used it, it seemed to have reached/affected other dimensions, like Code having been affected.

If s Temu version of omnipotence can do that, then wouldn’t the real thing most definitely be far beyond the scope of a planet?

EDIT: NVM. Didn’t notice the 7 new pages that popped up for this.
Hot damn. Welcome back, Kukui.
 
Who are the 3 against?

Godernet, Nierre, and who?
I think I might have miss calculated. It might just be 3v2.
Just to add a bit more to this, does Ombipotence blantantly work on a cross dimensional scale? Even when Eida used it, it seemed to have reached/affected other dimensions, like Code having been affected.

If s Temu version of omnipotence can do that, then wouldn’t the real thing most definitely be far beyond the scope of a planet?

EDIT: NVM. Didn’t notice the 7 new pages that popped up for this.
Yeah, the thread has been basically the opposition saying that each individual evidence isn't enough for universal on its own so Shibai shouldn't be universal. And the supporters are saying, myself included, that all of the evidence together point towards universal than planetary. Add to that some random heat that happened while I was asleep.
 
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