Shibai Otsutsuki Universal+ Removel

[Samlex1234]

You acting as if creating dimensions is a casual feat kaguya needs prep and time. Brouto hypes up Uzuhiko using planet level energy against code who scales above kaguya. If narratively Brouto high tiers are above solar system level attacks Uzuhiko which uses the planet's forces shouldn't be a threat at all. Amado hypes up shibai being able to create storms and the otsutsuki being able to manipulate life/death. When all these feats have done by characters in OG Naruto

This arguments are useless very useless arguments please stop posting points that are not agreed upon by majority on the wiki and have being debunked to death.. Shibai already scales above ETSO on the wiki… Uzuhiko is not a cap on the verse this topic has being debated to death….because Amado used Shibai creating storms true a phenomenon separate from Ninjustu or taijustu that caps the verse? Like what is this arguments..

 

[HelloThere1089]

Ain’t no way you think that wave travelled millions of light years and went outside the bounds of that universe and physically entered another one

Unless I’m not reading this right

That's precisely what he said tho. Read it twice.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Ain’t no way you think that wave travelled millions of light years and went outside the bounds of that universe and physically entered another one

Unless I’m not reading this right

And your better explanation for this is that the wave moves across the planet, and after moving into space it just.....vanished, and out of nowhere, the wave re-manifests onto another planet, in another space-time dimension?

 

[KingTempest]

Unless we're going to say the omnidirectional wave just vanished between dimensions after clearly going beyond the planet (and that takes much bigger assumptions to claim), since it's a wave thats actually traveling, it should be safe to say it would have to encompass the entirety of one dimension before going into another one (where Code is).

OR since it traveled throughout a planet where Code has a bunch of portals, it would go through there???

Yall really think it just traversed the entire universe when we see
1. It isn't that fast, so for it to reach the ends of the universe would take years
2. Code has portals on earth

 

[HelloThere1089]

Your claim that the omnidirectional ring can travel through codes clawmarks which aren't regular portals btw, and only let few things pass through it, would need evidence. Without which it's pure headcanon.

 

[DavidTPPM]

You acting as if creating dimensions is a casual feat kaguya needs prep and time.

Okay first of all, we don't know if it takes "prep". Kaguya pooped out ETSO pretty causally and Kakashi was worried it'll end the fight before his DMS runs out.

Second of all, the point is that Momoshiki hypes up the creation as some unfathomable godly feat as an example of why Omnipotence is the ultimate ability. So the idea that it just does something both him and Kaguya could already do is absurd based on that. Not based on their physical stats.

Brouto hypes up Uzuhiko using planet level energy against code who scales above kaguya. If narratively Brouto high tiers are above solar system level attacks Uzuhiko which uses the planet's forces shouldn't be a threat at all.

True however Boruto alone states Uzuhiko has no limit. Meaning it's clearly not limited to just 5B energy.

And when Boruto doesn't overcharge Uzuhiko it generally doesn't do much. It fails to hurt Code, it fails to hurt Jura, and it's implied to not be enough for Hidari. So Boruto needs to tap info this limitless charge potentially for it to actually be physically dangerous and without that it's only dangerous due to the disorienting hax.

Amado hypes up shibai being able to create storms and the otsutsuki being able to manipulate life/death. When all these feats have done by characters in OG Naruto

Amado doesn't hype up the storms themselves. He hypes up the way he's creating them.
He's not saying Shibai was a godly being because he can cause storms but because he can cause them with just a roar or a wave og a hand, unlike shinobi which need complex ninjutsu for it.


Basically the reason it's impressive is not that it's a storm but the fact that he does it as casually as a human raises their hand.

 

[Lynieryz]

Unless we're going to say the omnidirectional wave just vanished between dimensions after clearly going beyond the planet (and that takes much bigger assumptions to claim), since it's a wave thats actually traveling, it should be safe to say it would have to encompass the entirety of one dimension before going into another one (where Code is).

Regarding the Separation of Universes​

It should be recognized that travel between universes is not feasible unless through the use of a portal or similar unusual mechanisms. This is because it should be impossible for two distinct universes to be connected by a path that only goes through regular 3 dimensional space. Universes must be separated by something other than 3 dimensional distance or physical barriers, otherwise they would be considered to both be part of one large universe for our tiering purposes.

The most typical example is the presence of a higher dimensional space serving as a separator. In other words, two separate universes coexist in a four dimensional or even higher dimensional space, occupying different position along some additional dimensional axis. Therefore, in order to travel between such universes, the movement must be through the higher dimensional space between them. To summarize, two realms are separated through a higher dimension space if

1. A larger space encompasses all the universes or space-times
2. This space is of a higher dimensional nature.

While a common higher dimensional space is the most frequent way of separation, many other ways exist and are also valid.

In fiction there are cases where a wall or some non-physical analog separates two realms. However, while such a barrier might serve to separate the realms within the cosmology of said fiction, note that the spaces are not necessarily separate universes by our standards. That is because, while the wall may make it difficult in practice, one could in theory still move from one realm to the other with just regular three dimensional movement. That means that the realms are still part of one common three dimensional space, which by our standards constitutes only one universe.

Note that this criteria of separation is only an argument against two realms being separate universes, if a feat of travel between the realms by regular 3D means occurs or it is otherwise known for certain that they are not separated in the above sense. If the realms fulfill the requirements laid out in the prior section and no such travel occurs, then the realms can be considered proper separate universes even if the means by which they are separated is not explored.

This doesn't work by accepted standards. Unless you're arguing that this dimension is actually a distant planet in the same universe.

People forget, but a page dedicated to this literally exists:

Universe

The Universe is all of space and time and their contents, including planets, stars, galaxies, all forms of matter and energy. Due to the unknown spatial size of the universe, we use the size of the observable universe as a baseline for universal feats. The observable universe is currently...

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[ProfessorKukui4Life]

OR since it traveled throughout a planet where Code has a bunch of portals, it would go through there???

Considering the wave went beyond the scope of the planet and actually into outer space (which, from a narrative standpoint, would point more to this ability working on a cosmic scale than not, no?), thats not possible. The wave wouldn't have reached, at bare minimum, interplanetary ranges if it was going through the claw marks to reach where Code is.

This assumes this is even a possibility in the first place when Code's portals have never given any hint of being like this. You also have to assume that Code's portals can have something MUCH larger than their range move through them as well (a wave that covers at least a planet vs....meele ranged claw portals?).

In fact, can someone other than Code himself even travel through them?

1. It isn't that fast, so for it to reach the ends of the universe would take years
2. Code has portals on earth

Ironically, Code isn't revealed to have been affected by Omnipotence until the timeskip, which is years after the end of OG Boruto.....

Serious answer, this argument takes multiple layers of assumptions to have a leg to stand on, whereas the occams razor needs much less.

 

[HelloThere1089]

This doesn't work by accepted standards. Unless you're arguing that this dimension is actually a distant planet in the same universe.

People forget, but a page dedicated to this literally exists:

Universe

The Universe is all of space and time and their contents, including planets, stars, galaxies, all forms of matter and energy. Due to the unknown spatial size of the universe, we use the size of the observable universe as a baseline for universal feats. The observable universe is currently...

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It doesn't contradict the standards. The standards mention that 3D travel isn't possible between two universes. Omnipotence isn't restricted to 3D travel in any source material. Multidimensional range implies that it can travel in interdimensional spaces as well.

 

[DavidTPPM]

OR since it traveled throughout a planet where Code has a bunch of portals, it would go through there???

That's an interesting idea. Do we have any evidence that stuff can just freely travel through Codes marks without him bringing them through himself?

Because a big part of the story was that Boruto had to get to Codes dimensions and needed him to carry a FTG mark with him. So if Boruto could just enter any of the marks Code leaves literally everywhere it should have been easy easy.

It'd also defeat the point of it working as an escape method. Code uses it to run away from a threat multiple times.
Against Kawaki
Against Daemon
Against Boruto
Against the shinju

If Codes clawmarks were accessible to anything that wants to go through this wouldn't make sense since all of these people could have just followed him.

Yall really think it just traversed the entire universe when we see
1. It isn't that fast, so for it to reach the ends of the universe would take years

It could be similar to Beerus' and Gokus shockwaves which got stronger the further they got, but with speed.
I mean at first it's slow enough for civilians to notice, then it immediately forms a ring around the entire planet, and then it affects another dimension.
This line of events does seem like it was getting faster as it went further

 

[Lynieryz]

Omnipotence isn't restricted to 3D travel in any source material.

That's not how it works; you would have to prove that travel through an additional dimensional axis occurred.

Multidimensional range implies that it can travel in interdimensional spaces as well.

Unrelated to what I replied. Kukui stated that the wave physically crossed from one universe to another, this contradicts the standards.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

That's an interesting idea. Do we have any evidence that stuff can just freely travel through Codes marks without him bringing them through himself?

Because a big part of the story was that Boruto had to get to Codes dimensions and needed him to carry a FTG mark with him. So if Boruto could just enter any of the marks Code leaves literally everywhere it should have been easy easy.

It'd also defeat the point of it working as an escape method. Code uses it to run away from a threat multiple times.
Against Kawaki
Against Daemon
Against Boruto
Against the shinju

If Codes clawmarks were accessible to anything that wants to go through this wouldn't make sense since all of these people could have just followed him.

It could be similar to Beerus' and Gokus shockwaves which got stronger the further they got, but with speed.
I mean at first it's slow enough for civilians to notice, then it immediately forms a ring around the entire planet, and then it affects another dimension.
This line of events does seem like it was getting faster as it went further

Good point that I forgot to mention. Boruto wouldn't have needed to develop his own FTG during the time skip if Codes portals were accessible to anyone else at any time.

 

[HelloThere1089]

That's not how it works; you would have to prove that travel through an additional dimensional axis occurred.

The proof is that a completely separate dimension was affected? Again, multidimensional range implicitly has this already.

Unrelated to what I replied. Kukui stated that the wave physically crossed from one universe to another, this contradicts the standards.

No it doesn't. Physical travel is possible between dimensions. Just not 3D one. Read the whole page.

 

[KingTempest]

Your claim that the omnidirectional ring can travel through codes clawmarks which aren't regular portals btw, and only let few things pass through it, would need evidence. Without which it's pure headcanon.

Considering the wave went beyond the scope of the planet and actually into outer space (which, from a narrative standpoint, would point more to this ability working on a cosmic scale than not, no?), thats not possible. The wave wouldn't have reached, at bare minimum, interplanetary ranges if it was going through the claw marks to reach where Code is.

This assumes this is even a possibility in the first place when Code's portals have never given any hint of being like this. You also have to assume that Code's portals can have something MUCH larger than their range move through them as well (a wave that covers at least a planet vs....meele ranged claw portals?).

In fact, can someone other than Code himself even travel through them?

Kukui it does not need the entire wave to pass through it needs any of it so that it can enter the dimension, which is very convenient since he has claw portals all over his body.

On top of that, if Omnipotence is the "shinjutsu of shinjutsu" hyped up in this caliber, would it stand to reason that it could bypass all other shinjutsu barriers, including some portals

Ironically, Code isn't revealed to have been affected by Omnipotence until the timeskip, which is years after the end of OG Boruto.....

Chapter 80 of Boruto in the same exact day

And for interstellar travel of that caliber it'd literally take centuries at that speed

That's an interesting idea. Do we have any evidence that stuff can just freely travel through Codes marks without him bringing them through himself?

Because a big part of the story was that Boruto had to get to Codes dimensions and needed him to carry a FTG mark with him. So if Boruto could just enter any of the marks Code leaves literally everywhere it should have been easy easy.

It'd also defeat the point of it working as an escape method. Code uses it to run away from a threat multiple times.
Against Kawaki
Against Daemon
Against Boruto
Against the shinju

If Codes clawmarks were accessible to anything that wants to go through this wouldn't make sense since all of these people could have just followed him.

It could be similar to Beerus' and Gokus shockwaves which got stronger the further they got, but with speed.
I mean at first it's slow enough for civilians to notice, then it immediately forms a ring around the entire planet, and then it affects another dimension.
This line of events does seem like it was getting faster as it went further

I see what you mean, but this doesn't work because it was just showing the people who could see it, or else it would've also shown the people in other countries
Plus, it seems to have stopped when it reached the outskirts of the planet.

 

[Lynieryz]

The proof is that a completely separate dimension was affected? Again, multidimensional range implicitly has this already.

I'm not referring to that, read what I replied to, Kukui denied dimensional travel and asserted a physical crossing between universes.

No it doesn't. Physical travel is possible between dimensions. Just not 3D one. Read the whole page.

Yes, and you would have to prove that something dimensionally higher separates the universes.

 

[HelloThere1089]

I'm not referring to that, read what I replied to, Kukui denied dimensional travel and asserted a physical crossing between universes.

Yes, and you would have to prove that something dimensionally higher separates the universes.

If something dimensionally higher doesn't separate the universes, then what does?

 

[KingTempest]

On top of that, I have a gripe.

Eida's senrigan is stated to be able to see all things inside of the world.
How can she see in the Kara dimension?

 

[Lynieryz]

If something dimensionally higher doesn't separate the universes, then what does?

While a common higher dimensional space is the most frequent way of separation, many other ways exist and are also valid.

In fiction there are cases where a wall or some non-physical analog separates two realms. However, while such a barrier might serve to separate the realms within the cosmology of said fiction, note that the spaces are not necessarily separate universes by our standards. That is because, while the wall may make it difficult in practice, one could in theory still move from one realm to the other with just regular three dimensional movement. That means that the realms are still part of one common three dimensional space, which by our standards constitutes only one universe

Universe

The Universe is all of space and time and their contents, including planets, stars, galaxies, all forms of matter and energy. Due to the unknown spatial size of the universe, we use the size of the observable universe as a baseline for universal feats. The observable universe is currently...

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[DavidTPPM]

I see what you mean, but this doesn't work because it was just showing the people who could see it, or else it would've also shown the people in other countries
Plus, it seems to have stopped when it reached the outskirts of the planet.

Idk I went to reread the chapter and it really does look like it.

Time is impossible to really deduce from Manga but if we go by panels it's definitely supported.
Page 1 shows it only covering dozens of meters.
Page 2 shows it covering nearby mountains and a huge forest.
Page 3 shows it covering nearby villages.
Page 4 shows it covering the entire planet (actually hundreds of kilometers above it).

The distance covered per panel is definitely growing at an exponential rate

 

[KingTempest]

Idk I went to reread the chapter and it really does look like it.

Time is impossible to really deduce from Manga but if we go by panels it's definitely supported.
Page 1 shows it only covering dozens of meters.
Page 2 shows it covering nearby mountains and a huge forest.
Page 3 shows it covering nearby villages.
Page 4 shows it covering the entire planet (actually hundreds of kilometers above it).

The distance covered per panel is definitely growing at an exponential rate

Getting larger? Yes because it's expanding

Getting faster? Not really

 

[HelloThere1089]

Universe

The Universe is all of space and time and their contents, including planets, stars, galaxies, all forms of matter and energy. Due to the unknown spatial size of the universe, we use the size of the observable universe as a baseline for universal feats. The observable universe is currently...

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My guy read the text you're linking lmfao. It literally says that other forms of separation aren't accepted as valid multiple universes and are considered the same universe. Which we know doesn't apply to Naruto.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Kukui it does not need the entire wave to pass through it needs any of it so that it can enter the dimension, which is very convenient since he has claw portals all over his body.

I understand what you're saying, but my point here was if the portals allowed the wave to enter through them, then the wave wouldn't have even gotten as far as the whole planet. The portals would've stopped it from spreading over Naruto's planet as the wave would be transferred to the dimension Code was in.

Nevertheless, this would still be head canon. There's no evidence that anyone or anything, other than Code, could even use those portals. Boruto needing to develop his own FTG and leave a jutsu mark highly suggests only Code can use them.

On top of that, if Omnipotence is the "shinjutsu of shinjutsu" hyped up in this caliber, would it stand to reason that it could bypass all other shinjutsu barriers, including some portals.

Most powerful Shinjutsu =/= the others are useless against it. I think arguing it can bypass the effects of every other Shinjutsu, particularly from this one comment, is a weak basis at most.

Chapter 80 of Boruto in the same exact day

This wasn't a serious answer of mine, I was joking (though still wrong as I mixed up the events between pre & post timeskip).

And for interstellar travel of that caliber it'd literally take centuries at that speed

Is there any evidence that it wasn't traveling insanely quickly, or isn't a DBS situation with getting faster as it spreads?

I don't think this is a good precedent to argue against wave feats like this. We don't scrutinize other shaking or shockwave based feats with questions such as this AFAIK, so it's strange to make Boruto the exception here.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Getting larger? Yes because it's expanding

Getting faster? Not really

Again we can't determine the timeframe off of the manga. But nothing implies the time between each panel is getting exponentially longer and yet the distance covered is getting exponentially larger.

Also the fact civilians react to it is pretty damning in my opinion. Even if the entire sequence took 5 minutes (which is a huge lowball given the context of the situation), the beam would easily have to be Mach 200 as it covered the entire circumference of the earth and more. Which at a constant speed would imply random offguard civilians can react to hypersonic objects

 

[KingTempest]

I understand what you're saying, but my point here was if the portals allowed the wave to enter through them, then the wave wouldn't have even gotten as far as the whole planet. The portals would've stopped it from spreading over Naruto's planet as the wave would be transferred to the dimension Code was in.

This isn't true, this is like saying if a wave hit a city and a part of the wave hit the house

Nevertheless, this would still be head canon. There's no evidence that anyone or anything, other than Code, could even use those portals. Boruto needing to develop his own FTG and leave a just mark highly suggests only Code can use them.

Compared to regularpeople, but this is literally called "the shinjutsu of shinjutsu", i would expect it to overpower them

Most powerful Shinjutsu =/= the others are useless against it. I think arguing it can bypass the effects of every other Shinjutsu, particularly from this one comment, is a weak basis at most.

It's better than saying it literally went throughout the universe

This wasn't a serious answer of mine, I was joking (though still wrong as I mixed up the events between pre & post timeskip).

fair

Is there any evidence that it wasn't traveling insanely quickly, or isn't a DBS situation with getting faster as it spreads?

Everyone could see it

I don't think this is a good precedent to argue against wave feats like this. We don't scrutinize other shaking or shockwave based feats with questions such as this AFAIK, so it's strange to make Boruto the exception here.

those are usually shockwaves that reach their external parts almost instantaneously. this is completely different

Again we can't determine the timeframe off of the manga. But nothing implies the time between each panel is getting exponentially longer and yet the distance covered is getting exponentially larger.

Also the fact civilians react to it is pretty damning in my opinion. Even if the entire sequence took 5 minutes (which is a huge lowball given the context of the situation), the beam would easily have to be Mach 200 as it covered the entire circumference of the earth and more. Which at a constant speed would imply random offguard civilians can react to hypersonic objects

Mach 200 far into the atmosphere can be reacted to. same way we can perceive jets moving close to us that move at mach 2

 

[KingTempest]

On top of that, I have a gripe.

Eida's senrigan is stated to be able to see all things inside of the world.
How can she see in the Kara dimension?

@ProfessorKukui4Life and @DavidTPPM what about this

 

[Lynieryz]

My guy read the text you're linking lmfao. It literally says that other forms of separation aren't accepted as valid multiple universes and are considered the same universe. Which we know doesn't apply to Naruto.

Read carefully.

While a common higher dimensional space is the most frequent way of separation, many other ways exist and are also valid. In fiction there are cases where a wall or some non-physical analog separates two realms. However, while such a barrier might serve to separate the realms within the cosmology of said fiction, note that the spaces are not necessarily separate universes by our standards.

The text says that having something separating the universe ≠ automatically different universes. Nothing says that the other methods are not applicable to different universes. Quite the contrary, it is literally recognized as valid.

While a common higher dimensional space is the most frequent way of separation, many other ways exist and are also valid.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Never noticed the blast has the same design as the senrigan

 

[HelloThere1089]

Read carefully.

The text says that having something separating the universe ≠ automatically different universes. Nothing says that the other methods are not applicable to different universes. Quite the contrary, it is literally recognized as valid.

Are you claiming that kara dimension is part of the main universe in Naruto? Because that's the only way your arguments make sense. If you recognise that they are separate universes as per the wiki, then for the wiki to consider them separate, there needs to be a higher dimension between them.

 

[KingTempest]

Are you claiming that kara dimension is part of the main universe in Naruto? Because that's the only way your arguments make sense. If you recognise that they are separate universes as per the wiki, then for the wiki to consider them separate, there needs to be a higher dimension between them.

this is incorrect. you can have multiple dimensions without having an overarching dimension holding them. this is like saying every tier 2 cosmology is tier 2

 

[HelloThere1089]

this is incorrect. you can have multiple dimensions without having an overarching dimension holding them. this is like saying every tier 2 cosmology is tier 2

I'm pretty sure if one of those dimensions is low 2c, they by default need to be separated by a higher dimension. Or else the other dimensions are part of the same universe.

 

[Lynieryz]

Are you claiming that kara dimension is part of the main universe in Naruto? Because that's the only way your arguments make sense. If you recognise that they are separate universes as per the wiki, then for the wiki to consider them separate, there needs to be a higher dimension between them.

Read carefully:

While a common higher dimensional space is the most frequent way of separation,→→→ many other ways exist and are also valid. ←←←In fiction there are cases where a wall or some non-physical analog separates two realms. However, while such a barrier might serve to separate the realms within the cosmology of said fiction, note that the spaces are not necessarily separate universes by our standards.

 

[KingTempest]

I'm pretty sure if one of those dimensions is low 2c, they by default need to be separated by a higher dimension. Or else the other dimensions are part of the same universe.

Incorrect via our standards

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Ain’t gonna lie, can’t staff edit the OP?

Should add KT’s post there and current staff votes. No one is going to read this clusterfuck

 

[DavidTPPM]

Mach 200 far into the atmosphere can be reacted to. same way we can perceive jets moving close to us that move at mach 2

The beam actually starts only moves few dozen meters above the ground

And Mach 200 is a lowball. Again it's assuming the entire sequence took at least 5 minutes and ignores that the beam reached several hundred kilometers away from earth.

Realistically the actually distance it traveled seems to be closer to 2ish times the earth's circumference and the timeframe absolutely shouldn't be more than a single minute given everyone saw the beam but none of the shinobi could get to them until it left earth. So eyeballing it Mach 200 works only under ridiculously conservative assumption with a more accurate result being closer to Mach 3800. These are just eyeball estimates ofc, I'd have to actually pixel scale the exact circumference of the beam in the last panel but the core idea that it should be VASTLY beyond their reaction speed is still pretty obvious.

@ProfessorKukui4Life and @DavidTPPM what about this

Ngl that's impossible to answer without some level of headcanon.
Personally I'd say they're just part of the same spacetime continuum, while being spatially separate dimensions. Hence why they're part of the same "world" but still different "dimensions".

 

[HelloThere1089]

Read carefully:

I have. According to the page it goes on to specify what other ways are, and says that the wiki doesn't consider them separate universes. So unless you're arguing that they aren't, stop repeating the same thing.

 

[KingTempest]

The beam actually starts only moves few dozen meters above the ground

And Mach 200 is a lowball. Again it's assuming the entire sequence took at least 5 minutes and ignores that the beam reached several hundred kilometers away from earth.

It starts above the ground then it ends circling the middle of it.

Realistically the actually distance it traveled seems to be closer to 2ish times the earth's circumference and the timeframe absolutely shouldn't be more than a single minute given everyone saw the beam but none of the shinobi could get to them until it left earth. So eyeballing it Mach 200 works only under ridiculously conservative assumption with a more accurate result being closer to Mach 3800. These are just eyeball estimates ofc, I'd have to actually pixel scale the exact circumference of the beam in the last panel but the core idea that it should be VASTLY beyond their reaction speed is still pretty obvious.

even with that, it'd need to accelerate to like MFTL++++++++ for anything relevant

Ngl that's impossible to answer without some level of headcanon.
Personally I'd say they're just part of the same spacetime continuum, while being spatially separate dimensions. Hence why they're part of the same "world" but still different "dimensions".

kinda hard to say they're objectively spatially separate when stuff like this exists

 

[Lynieryz]

I have. According to the page it goes on to specify what other ways are, and says that the wiki doesn't consider them separate universes. So unless you're arguing that they aren't, stop repeating the same thing.

Unbelievable.

The text says that having something separating the universe ≠ automatically different universes. Nothing says that the other methods are not applicable to different universes. Quite the contrary, it is literally recognized as valid.

While a common higher dimensional space is the most frequent way of separation, many other ways exist and are also valid.

The text never says that this is not valid, it only says that this does not automatically guarantee that they are separate universes. This is my final message to you; at this point, you're simply not reading the standards.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

This isn't true, this is like saying if a wave hit a city and a part of the wave hit the house

Thats a bad comparison to this as the house is in the same setting as the city, the former is an apart of the latter.

In this situation, these are 2 planets with entirely separate spacetimes. They aren't in the same setting as one another. If the wave was to hypothetically travel through portals, it would be transferring from one space-time dimension over into the other at that moment.

Compared to regularpeople, but this is literally called "the shinjutsu of shinjutsu", i would expect it to overpower them

It's better than saying it literally went throughout the universe

Being a more potent shinjutsu with much stronger affects? Sure thats agreeable. But that, and overcoming natural limitations, are 2 different things, and is in a manner that we've never gotten hints of possibly being the case in-universe. Omnipotence overpowering, say, CoaT is one thing. It being able to override ones dominion of their ability (in this case, Code's portals) is another.

Especially when this is an unmastered Omnipotence at that by someone who has no idea how to use it. Id find this more plausible if it was Shibai or another ascended Otsutsuki doing it with perfect mastery, but thats neither here nor there.

Everyone could see it

Hello there has points against this so I'll leave this up to him.

those are usually shockwaves that reach their external parts almost instantaneously. this is completely different

Yes, but im talking about the "in between"ness of the feats. With Boruto, we're questioning the validity of what the Omnipotence wave is going over from point A (Eida) to point B (the scope of the universe).

Other shockwave-type feats, that aren't DBS, don't get scrutinized like that AFAIK.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

@ProfessorKukui4Life and @DavidTPPM what about this

Im not sure what this question is supposed to entail BTW. What's your concern about this?

 

[DavidTPPM]

It starts above the ground then it ends circling the middle of it.

If you look at the last panel you see it's only circling around it because it's flying away from earth.
Every panel that shows it above humans shows it very close to the ground, only few dozen meters.

even with that, it'd need to accelerate to like MFTL++++++++ for anything relevant

Yeah exactly. If it goes from slow enough for offguard civilians to percieve to thousands of kilometers around earth I think that's not too crazy to say

kinda hard to say they're objectively spatially separate when stuff like this exists

Iirc Code specifically states his dimension is impossible to access without spacetime ninjutsu which should mean it's spatially separate