The Son of God vs The Fist That Turned Against God (Yhwach vs Saitama) (Bleach vs One Punch Man) [6-4-0]

[Jin2188]

Sigh.

He can ******* do that in the past as well, dying in the past is killing a past self of Yhwach that can alter HIS DEATH

No it's his present self altering the death of his future self. He literally states in the manga, word for word, "I can even rewrite futures in which I have died".

If you're going to blatantly misinterpret what the manga says like this then I'm not counting your vote.

Yhwach could just absorb Saitama, doesn’t exactly have to hurt him lmfao

Saitama is almost 5x faster than Yhwach from the very start. Unless you're suggesting that he rewrites the future to do this, in which case why didn't he do this against Ichigo and Aizen, who were actively threatening his life?

Garou also saw Saitama copy his martial arts and knew he can copy the time travel and yet he thought throwing Saitama away from earth in space would have stopped him which inherently means he believes Saitama couldn't copy flying or portals.

Garou was desperate at that point. He was willing to try anything that he thought had a chance of working. He also only saw Saitama copying the actual martial arts moves, and may have come to the conclusion later that he can copy all of his abilities.

First of all that's bloodlusted Saitama. His growth there was heavily amped by his unnaturally high emotional upsurge.

Second of all, even that took a WHILE to start actually getting high. Like the entire Garou fight happened before his growth jumped to this level. Saitama could jump around jupiter like 5000 times and trade dozens of blows with Garou before even even grew 10x stronger based on the graph.

Not "bloodlusted" Saitama, although I see what you mean. I don't see why he wouldn't get an "upsurge of emotion" while fighting Yhwach though, someone who can actually keep up with him. Maybe not as strong as with Garou, but still very potent.

Additionally, only Saitama is growing, and he's already stronger than Yhwach before any growth even occurs. We also don't know how long the Garou fight took, it could've only been a few minutes.

The problem is Saitama activating the time traveling to the past happens in the future. So Yhwach just rewrites the future of him traveling to the past.

He doesn't know that Saitama is traveling to the past. He'd just see Saitama disappear. And if he could just rewrite Saitama's future of traveling to the past, why didn't he rewrite the future of Uryu shooting him with the still silver which ultimately killed him? Perhaps because of plot, but there are other cases of him not doing this when it would have been optimal, so I don't know.

Yhwach doesnt play around normally. He only did with Ichigo so he can reach peak despair.

Why? Because it was funny? Honestly most of his fights using the Almighty are about inducing despair in his opponents. Once he unlocks the Almighty against Ichibe, he does the exact same thing to him, bragging about how "everything is powerless before him" and messing around instead of ending the fight. I don't see why he wouldn't do the same to Saitama.

And The Almighty is inherently dura neg. It’s Fate Manipulation.

???
Fate Manipulation is not dura neg. I don't know what you're going on about here.

Ichigo with most of his power absorbed by Yhwach is strong enough to 1 shot Yhwach.

Show me the scan that says this.

I'm not saying it's not supernatural. I'm saying it's still just high level body control. Which is vastly different from shit like generating portals or controlling fate

The "body control" and the portals are connected through being "God's power", although the portals are copied from a power that does not belong to God. Garou called the time travel his "ultimate technique", and stated that he couldn't use it himself even after acquiring God's "blessing". If Saitama can copy Garou's "ultimate techique", why wouldn't he be able to copy anything else he can do? Him not having God's "blessing" just makes that even more impressive imo.

Also go get some sleep man, it's not healthy to be sleep deprived

It's 3:30 in the morning for me lol. I'll go to bed after this.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Why? Because it was funny? Honestly most of his fights using the Almighty are about inducing despair in his opponents. Once he unlocks the Almighty against Ichibe, he does the exact same thing to him, bragging about how "everything is powerless before him" and messing around instead of ending the fight. I don't see why he wouldn't do the same to Saitama.

Is this trolling? Why would he care to do that with Saitama? Someone he doesn’t know? He literally kills his servants for arguing in front of him lol.

As for Ichibei, he already knew exactly when Ichibei would die. It didn’t matter anymore after he awakened his Almighty.

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Fate Manipulation is not dura neg. I don't know what you're going on about here.

What? Of course it is. It’s not a physical thing lol. He sees nearly infinite futures at once and just picks one lmao.

If being stronger was enough it would have failed against Ichigo who is the strongest in terms of raw power.

Show me the scan that says this.

? Just read the fight and profile? He absorbed his hollow and Quincy power.

Ichigo 1 shot him twice after in the final battle still with Zangetsu. Without even using his hollowficstion.

 

[Entity]

The manga just says Saitama moved the particles like how Garou did.

And that the anti-particles in Garou's body were produced by his cosmic rays, so Saitama had to generate those anti-particles too, they are not in his body

 

[Entity]

Which is vastly different from shit like generating portals or controlling fate

The portals are something he probably could copy, but controlling fate surely not

 

[DavidTPPM]

And that the anti-particles in Garou's body were produced by his cosmic rays, so Saitama had to generate those anti-particles too, they are not in his body

Saitama was at point blank range with Garous radiation for quite a long time. Hell maybe even more given he chilled inside a GRB while Garou fought Blast.

The portals are something he probably could copy, but controlling fate surely not

I think Garous plan relying on him not being able to do so implies otherwise but realistically we don't know for sure

 

[PizzaDante67]

Yhwach whipes. Even if you argue that Saitama CAN copy The Almighty, i don’t see how he could do it in time. Garou had to explain saitama how is Time Travel works and i don’t think Yhwach would sit there and tell Saitama how it works.

And it is very much in character for Yhwach to just blow you up immediately.

 

[Epiccheev]

can he copy martial art-based fate hax

Bro can copy an average nasuverse character

 

[Doggo]

Bro can copy an average nasuverse character

Watch him copy Servant physiology then

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

No it's his present self altering the death of his future self. He literally states in the manga, word for word, "I can even rewrite futures in which I have died".

If you're going to blatantly misinterpret what the manga says like this then I'm not counting your vote.

Past yhwach can change his OWN future, if he dies in the past, past yhwach is changing his death, nothing is changing just because saitama travels in time

It would be different if Saitama can somehow kill him in the past without said time travel and the present yhwach is completely screwed, then MAYBE we could talk, but travelling to the past itself just to kill him there is asking for past Yhwach to just change his future in the past

 

[Epiccheev]

Watch him copy Servant physiology then

Incap by instantly being added to Fujimaru's harem

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Btw, grace started, just because the owner does not want to count my vote for no ******* reason does not mean my vote is invalid, see you in 24 hours

 

[Quangotjokes]

Alright hear me out, Saitama punched Garou and Void and their divine power started leaking out as a result. Monsterfication is an affliction of mind body and soul. One punch and yhwach loses his schifts, especially since Saitama has the speed advantage.

Vote for Saitama.

 

[PizzaDante67]

Alright hear me out, Saitama punched Garou and Void and their divine power started leaking out as a result. Monsterfication is an affliction of mind body and soul. One punch and yhwach loses his schifts, especially since Saitama has the speed advantage.

Vote for Saitama.

does saitama have such an ability listed on his profile? And why wouldn’t Yhwach just see that happening in the future?

 

[Robo432343]

this thread is so funny bro

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

This is a stomp in favour of Yhwach lol

 

[MrTayman616]

If particles can perceive antiparticles that moves backwards in time, does that mean their particles have immeasurable perception/reaction speed?

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Yhwach whipes. Even if you argue that Saitama CAN copy The Almighty, i don’t see how he could do it in time. Garou had to explain saitama how is Time Travel works and i don’t think Yhwach would sit there and tell Saitama how it works.

Garou didn't explain anything. He just showed him how he tries to use the technique, Saitama saw Garou using it and perfected it.

It's basically copying an ability you see(plus perfecting it), he doesn't require someone to teach him on purpose or explain him something about it.(not saying he copies The Almighty)

does saitama have such an ability listed on his profile? And why wouldn’t Yhwach just see that happening in the future?

Would he interpret it that way?

This is a stomp in favour of Yhwach lol

I didn't even think it'd reach three pages.

 

[Quangotjokes]

does saitama have such an ability listed on his profile? And why wouldn’t Yhwach just see that happening in the future?

There was a crt for it, so idk and I don’t recall yhwach looking within the timestream itself.

 

[SharkBook01]

Yhwach slams.

If Saitama tries to time travel, Yhwach can just choose a future where Saitama doesn't do that or just insta kill him with the Almighty.
If Saitama successfully time travels, Past Yhwach can use the Almighty to prevent the attack from hitting him.
If Saitama successfully time travels and lands a punch strong enough to kill Yhwach, it still doesn't matter because Past Yhwach will just resurrect himself right afterwards.

Voting Yhwach

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Yhwach slams.

If Saitama tries to time travel, Yhwach can just choose a future where Saitama doesn't do that or just insta kill him with the Almighty.
If Saitama successfully time travels, Past Yhwach can use the Almighty to prevent the attack from hitting him.
If Saitama successfully time travels and lands a punch strong enough to kill Yhwach, it still doesn't matter because Past Yhwach will just resurrect himself right afterwards.

Voting Yhwach

It's just a mismatch there is no wincons so this can't be added to profile. Thread should be closed.

 

[Quangotjokes]

Yhwach can’t see zero punch, he’s traveling in the timestream and it’s unavoidable.

The punch nulls his power, it’s essentially silver arrow.

 

[Robo432343]

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

It's just a mismatch there is no wincons so this can't be added to profile. Thread should be closed.

Are you really sure? Because all the OPM defenders thinks Yhwach is the one who gets slammed to the ground

 

[PizzaDante67]

There was a crt for it, so idk and I don’t recall yhwach looking within the timestream itself.

So its not accepted then? And yhwach sees every possible future. He would see saitama trying to punch him

 

[Kachon123]

If Saitama tries to time travel, Yhwach can just choose a future where Saitama doesn't do that or just insta kill him with the Almighty.

This requires prior knowledge, which Yhwach doesn't have.

If Saitama successfully time travels, Past Yhwach can use the Almighty to prevent the attack from hitting him.
If Saitama successfully time travels and lands a punch strong enough to kill Yhwach, it still doesn't matter because Past Yhwach will just resurrect himself right afterwards.

Saitama's Zero Punch would remove Yhwach's abilities. This would not happen.

 

[Quangotjokes]

So its not accepted then? And yhwach sees every possible future. He would see saitama trying to punch him

In the future Saitama does this thing where he makes his arms a circle and imagines his inner universe then he travels. There’s no indicator that he’s about to travel back in time.

 

[MrTayman616]

If Saitama tries to time travel, Yhwach can just choose a future where Saitama doesn't do that or just insta kill him with the Almighty.

How is he even suppose to understand Saitama is using antiparticle method of time reversal? (Especially when his body actually seperates and not in the same space, so he wouldn't understand it based on just viewing.)

If Saitama successfully time travels, Past Yhwach can use the Almighty to prevent the attack from hitting him.

If he does successfully travel, Past Yhwach can't use The Almighty at all since he'd be finished from the start.

If Saitama successfully time travels and lands a punch strong enough to kill Yhwach, it still doesn't matter because Past Yhwach will just resurrect himself right afterwards.

This could only work if "preperation" or anything was included. Yhwach would lose from the beginning of the fight

(I still think it is a mismatch and that Yhwach will stomp, though i don't know Yhwach well enough to say that :d)

It's just that these arguments are wrong, at least imo.

So its not accepted then? And yhwach sees every possible future. He would see saitama trying to punch him

It is accepted. Has no disagreement and 3-4 agreement(staff).

 

[Epiccheev]

Getting the Schift punched out of you would hurt

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

This requires prior knowledge, which Yhwach doesn't have.

Precognition & Fate Manipulation

Are we serious?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Are you really sure? Because all the OPM defenders thinks Yhwach is the one who gets slammed to the ground

With this kind of arguments? Maybe if they make it accepted that it's a powernull but iirc Yhwach himself has Atleast one layer of powernull resistance since he resisted Ichibe removing his abilities?

Yhwach can’t see zero punch, he’s traveling in the timestream and it’s unavoidable.

The punch nulls his power, it’s essentially silver arrow.

 

[PizzaDante67]

Garou didn't explain anything. He just showed him how he tries to use the technique, Saitama saw Garou using it and perfected it.

It's basically copying an ability you see(plus perfecting it), he doesn't require someone to teach him on purpose or explain him something about it.(not saying he copies The Almighty)

Yeah i just reread that part . It was the narrator explaining the process my bad. But i still don‘t see Saitama possibly copying The Almighty in time.

Would he interpret it that way?

He‘d most likely see himself not being able to use The Almighty anymore, if it even worked to begin with. But since Saitama doesn’t have such an ability accepted as of rn, that wouldn’t really matter anyway.

 

[Quangotjokes]

Precognition & Fate Manipulation

Are we serious?

Doesn’t work in this case, zero punch isn’t something you can see happening in the future.

It’s kinda like how that guy from bleach fixed the sword yhwach broke by changing the past.

 

[Kachon123]

Precognition & Fate Manipulation

Are we serious?

And this is giving him information on Saitama going into the past how exactly? I'm starting to wonder if you're the one being serious or if you just enjoy copy-pasting abilities with no explanation on how they'd be relevant in the fight.

 

[Kachon123]

Dudes are laughing but genuinely, what is Yhwach's answer to losing his abilities in zero time

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

And this is giving him information on Saitama going into the past how exactly? I'm starting to wonder if you're the one being serious or if you just enjoy copy-pasting abilities with no explanation on how they'd be relevant in the fight.

Because he already saw the full fight in mere moments of the fight starting and sees Saitama traveling in time, understanding that and nulling that?


Is pretty easy to read his page Kachon

 

[Quangotjokes]

With this kind of arguments? Maybe if they make it accepted that it's a powernull but iirc Yhwach himself has Atleast one layer of powernull resistance since he resisted Ichibe removing his abilities?

In opm there’s methods to undo monsterfication, but only Saitama has been able to reverse Godification even when Blasts couldn’t.

 

[MrTayman616]

Precognition & Fate Manipulation

Are we serious?

Yes. First, it still relies on his interpretation to some extent as far as i'm aware.

And he can't understand Saitama is time travelling. He just can't see Saitama moving backwards in time. Saitama doesn't move backwards while existing in the same space, it isn't something visible to those in between the time Saitama reversed.

He‘d most likely see himself not being able to use The Almighty anymore, if it even worked to begin with. But since Saitama doesn’t have such an ability accepted as of rn, that wouldn’t really matter anyway.

It is accepted in the CRT, not added to the profile (dunno who was the creator of it.)

 

[SharkBook01]

Yhwach has built in prior-knowledge.

Information Analysis, Power Nullification &/or Reactive Evolution (When a power enters Yhwach's vision, he can "know" this power. All powers Yhwach "knows" take his side and are rendered powerless before him, incapable of being used against him or harming him

Precognition & Fate Manipulation (The Almighty allows Yhwach to see everything clearly from the present into the distant future. Yhwach can see events in the near future, such as seeing the resurrection of Ichibē Hyōsube. Yhwach can see all possible futures like grains of sand on a beach. The true power of The Almighty is to “transform the future itself.” Yhwach is capable of changing and influencing the futures that he sees. The Almighty allows Yhwach to cut down any fate his opponent may make for themselves. Yhwach can set traps and attack his opponent instantly through rewriting and attacking through the future. Yhwach’s attacks through the future cannot be sensed as well. If his attacks were to be blocked, he can rewrite the future to make his attack successful. Yhwach can defend himself from attacks by destroying the attack through the future.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Doesn’t work in this case, zero punch isn’t something you can see happening in the future.

Yes. First, it still relies on his interpretation to some extent as far as i'm aware.

He can't understand Saitama is time travelling. Not only it is not visible in the same space, Saitama doesn't even disappear but duplicates. He just can't see Saitama moving backwards in time. Saitama doesn't move backwards while existing in the same space, it isn't something visible to those in between the time Saitama reversed.

This explains it better, then I will retire my vote Edit: If anything post scans for other people to see it

 

[Quangotjokes]

Because he already saw the full fight in mere moments of the fight starting and sees Saitama traveling in time, understanding that and nulling that?


Is pretty easy to read his page Kachon

The problem with zero punch is it doesn’t happen in the future, or even the present. Yhwach can’t see an attack that’s happening in his past.

 

[Kachon123]

This explains it better, then I will retire my vote

It's on his page, which is pretty easy to read Kazuma