The Son of God vs The Fist That Turned Against God (Yhwach vs Saitama) (Bleach vs One Punch Man) [6-4-0]

[Epiccheev]

DId the CRT to give Saitama power null ever get the changes added?

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

It's on his page, which is pretty easy to read Kazuma

It is not Kachon, Saitama does not have any power null on his page, but thank you for showing how useless you are

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

In opm there’s methods to undo monsterfication, but only Saitama has been able to reverse Godification even when Blasts couldn’t.

Can you link me where it was accepted as powernull?

 

[MrTayman616]

DId the CRT to give Saitama power null ever get the changes added?

It didn't. Someone should i guess?

It is not Kachon, Saitama does not have any power null on his page, but thank you for showing how useless you are

Um, he was referring to time travel i guess

 

[MrTayman616]

Can you link me where it was accepted as powernull?

Here

 

[Kachon123]

It is not Kachon, Saitama does not have any power null on his page, but thank you for showing how useless you are

Follow the conversation. We're talking about going back in time, not power null. That last comment is very ironic given the fact.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

It didn't. Someone should i guess?

Um, he was referring to time travel i guess

The whole time travel thing was adressed in the fact that returning to the past and punching Yhwach would not work if Yhwach dies and just changes his "future past"

If he gets powernulled then is another story, which is not on his page

 

[Quangotjokes]

The whole time travel thing was adressed in the fact that returning to the past and punching Yhwach would not work if Yhwach dies and just changes his "future past"

If he gets powernulled then is another story, which is not on his page

Tbf isn’t this bfr? Because once Saitama travels back in time he fuses with his present self and that future no longer exists.

 

[AppleMaker]

Yhwach (aka guy who got hax stomped by Emperor) FRA

 

[Quangotjokes]

Hey guys let’s be civil, it’s just a debate lol

 

[Kachon123]

genuinely, what is Yhwach's answer to losing his abilities in zero time

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Here

Kk but someone should add it though that seems like purification but since accepted I'm not gonna bother with it for now
Even then I'm not seeing Saitama taking away Almighty.

iirc Yhwach himself has Atleast one layer of powernull resistance since he resisted Ichibe removing his abilities?

 

[Kachon123]

Even then I'm not seeing Saitama taking away Almighty.

Problem with that is that Saitama's is also layered, as Blast who has his own methods was incapable of removing the powers of God from Void, yet Saitama's fist was able to. It should still work here.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Problem with that is that Saitama's is also layered, as Blast who has his own methods was incapable of removing the powers of God from Void, yet Saitama's fist was able to. It should still work here.

Where is the proof Blast can actually do it?
Also I checked the above thread it's
3:2 where 2 staff disagreed with Powernull and agreed with purification

 

[MrTayman616]

The whole time travel thing was adressed in the fact that returning to the past and punching Yhwach would not work if Yhwach dies and just changes his "future past"

Even if he didn't lose his abilities, this could only work if there was a preperation moment or something. Not only Saitama punching backwards isn't in the "future" but Saitama just stops the fight from starting at all. Unless we're allowing Yhwach from "before the versus battle itself" act or something like that, this wouldn't work i guess?

Yhwach himself has Atleast one layer of powernull resistance since he resisted Ichibe removing his abilities?

Is Ichibe's ability layered?

Also, aren't they different in nature? Ichibe removes the name or something like that as far as i know which also takes their ability. Saitama directly removes the ability, not letting someone take your "name" doesn't mean much here.

 

[Quangotjokes]

Where is the proof Blast can actually do it?
Also I checked the above thread it's
3:2 where 2 staff disagreed with Powernull and agreed with purification

Same end result either way.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Even if he didn't lose his abilities, this could only work if there was a preperation moment or something. Not only Saitama punching backwards isn't in the "future" but Saitama just stops the fight from starting at all. Unless we're allowing Yhwach from "before the versus battle itself" act or something like that, this wouldn't work i guess?

Is Ichibe's ability layered?

Also, aren't they different in nature? Ichibe removes the name or something like that as far as i remember which also takes their ability. Saitama directly removes the ability, not letting someone take your "name" doesn't mean much here.

Saitama is purifying external factors which is different from physiology or abilities which characters are born with. Also

Where is the proof Blast can actually do it?
Also I checked the above thread it's
3:2 where 2 staff disagreed with Powernull and agreed with purification

I would prefer if someone redo this thread or conclude with good faith since 3:2 is nowhere is acceptable as far as I see

 

[PizzaDante67]

It is accepted. Has no disagreement and 3-4 agreement(staff).

Bruh….I might be slow. But i don’t think it would work due to what @EldemadeDityjon said.

 

[Entity]

I think Garous plan relying on him not being able to do so implies otherwise but realistically we don't know for sure

If there is someone who can master God's power, it is you

Saitama was at point blank range with Garous radiation for quite a long time. Hell maybe even more given he chilled inside a GRB while Garou fought Blast.

With no statement of Garou's creating the anti-particles on Saitama's body, just the statement of Saitama copying what Garou was doing.


Anyway, I don't see how Saitama could copy the Almighty and I don't see wincons for Saitama

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Same end result either way.

It's not you would need atleast one more staff agreeing with Powernull. 3:2 still seems like standstill

 

[SharkBook01]

• Information Analysis, Power Nullification &/or Reactive Evolution (When a power enters Yhwach's vision, he can "know" this power. All powers Yhwach "knows" take his side and are rendered powerless before him, incapable of being used against him or harming him. He is capable of making all of Ichibē Hyōsube's abilities useless against him.

The argument that Yhwach wouldn't stop Saitama from time traveling doesn't work because he has passive info analysis that just straight up tells him what techniques do. If Yhwach actually perceived this ability as a threat, he'd just instantly kill Saitama or prevent him from ever using it.

Problem with that is that Saitama's is also layered, as Blast who has his own methods was incapable of removing the powers of God from Void, yet Saitama's fist was able to. It should still work here.

Layered Power null wasn't accepted in the CRT though.

 

[Quangotjokes]

It's not you would need atleast one more staff agreeing with Powernull. 3:2 still seems like standstill

No I mean the ability still removes powers.

 

[Quangotjokes]

Can yhwach survive in outer space?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

No I mean the ability still removes powers.

It removed Powers by removing the external factors Viet already addressed that issue. That's straight up purification. Not literal powernull. If no one is willing to make it accepted I'll create a new thread.
Unless there is more context to the powernull you people are feel free to make it clear

 

[MrTayman616]

3:2 where 2 staff disagreed with Powernull and agreed with purification

Bruh….I might be slow. But i don’t think it would work due to what @EldemadeDityjon said.

Oh, I haven't seen Vietthai's vote, but it still supports the same thing. The type of "Purification" mentioned there is (His comment):

If you punch a power out of someone, it is Purification, doesn't matter if the power have negative or positive effect

The argument that Yhwach wouldn't stop Saitama from time traveling doesn't work because he has passive info analysis that just straight up tells him what techniques do. If Yhwach actually perceived this ability as a threat, he'd just instantly kill Saitama or prevent him from ever using it.

Time travel isn't really a "power" or "abililty" in Saitama's case though, it's a state of antiparticles in this case, it wouldn't matter.

 

[EnderLord8]

Saitama fra

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Oh, I haven't seen Vietthai's vote, but it still supports the same thing. The type of "Purification" mentioned there is (His comment):

The problem is that Saitama has never removed powers that a character was born with innately. Is there any proof of that? As I explained, the powers he removed were only those that others (God) granted to Void, which is an entirely different case.
Even then, I think the Ichibei case gives at least one level of resistance to the Almighty. So I don’t see Saitama removing the Almighty from Yhwach, even if I were to agree that he can remove other abilities.
Anyway, Saitama would need to go back 1,200 years and kill Yhwach if he really wanted to kill him permanently. I don’t think Saitama has ever traveled that far into the past. So I disagree with the idea that he could travel that far back in time and kill him somehow. That seems like an NLF.

 

[Cipher72]

Yhwach FRA

 

[Quangotjokes]

The problem is that Saitama has never removed powers that a character was born with innately. Is there any proof of that? As I explained, the powers he removed were only those that others (God) granted to Void, which is an entirely different case.
Even then, I think the Ichibei case gives at least one level of resistance to the Almighty. So I don’t see Saitama removing the Almighty from Yhwach, even if I were to agree that he can remove other abilities.
Anyway, Saitama would need to go back 1,200 years and kill Yhwach if he really wanted to kill him permanently. I don’t think Saitama has ever traveled that far into the past. So I disagree with the idea that he could travel that far back in time and kill him somehow. That seems like an NLF.

Tbh I only argued it in this case because I know the schifts have left yhwach and returned. I don’t read bleach personally so idk the context fully.

 

[SharkBook01]

Time travel isn't really a "power" or "abililty" in Saitama's case though, it's a state of antiparticles in this case, it wouldn't matter.

I mean Garou literally calls it a technique, and it requires specific hand motions to do. I think that would 100% qualify. There are equally abstract bullshit techniques in Bleach and the Almighty can still neg anything in the verse.

 

[Quangotjokes]

The problem is that Saitama has never removed powers that a character was born with innately. Is there any proof of that? As I explained, the powers he removed were only those that others (God) granted to Void, which is an entirely different case.
Even then, I think the Ichibei case gives at least one level of resistance to the Almighty. So I don’t see Saitama removing the Almighty from Yhwach, even if I were to agree that he can remove other abilities.
Anyway, Saitama would need to go back 1,200 years and kill Yhwach if he really wanted to kill him permanently. I don’t think Saitama has ever traveled that far into the past. So I disagree with the idea that he could travel that far back in time and kill him somehow. That seems like an NLF.

Actually, there’s really no limit to how far he can travel back in the time stream as long as he stays inside. Not really a nlf but he chose when he wanted to leave.

 

[Robo432343]

this is getting very re-dickulous
i asked this thread to be closed

 

[MrTayman616]

I mean Garou literally calls it a technique, and it requires specific hand motions to do. I think that would 100% qualify. There are equally abstract bullshit techniques in Bleach and the Almighty can still neg anything in the verse.

That's because of what's called a "technique" here. Nuclear fissions and Gamma ray bursts and black holes etc are also "techniques".

It's the "flow" system of OPM. But that's not what reverses time. It's just a state of antiparticles, not really a "power" or something like that.

Even then, I think the Ichibei case gives at least one level of resistance to the Almighty. So I don’t see Saitama removing the Almighty from Yhwach, even if I were to agree that he can remove other abilities.

Also, aren't they different in nature? Ichibe removes the name or something like that as far as i know which also takes their ability. Saitama directly removes the ability, not letting someone take your "name" doesn't mean much here.

It removed Powers by removing the external factors Viet already addressed that issue. That's straight up purification. Not literal powernull.

Wasn't it the same for Yhwach (I didn't watch Bleach, so dunno :d)

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Actually, there’s really no limit to how far he can travel back in the time stream as long as he stays inside. Not really a nlf but he chose when he wanted to leave.

We shouldn’t assume he can travel back in time by 50 years when the series only shows him doing it for 5 years. That would still fall under an NLF. You would need supporting evidence or a statement that backs up that he can actually do this, rather than just assuming he can remain in the timeline and move further back in time. It’s been a while since I read OPM, so if there is any supporting evidence, feel free to share it.

 

[SharkBook01]

Even if we use the Powernull from the CRT, which may or may not be accepted at this point idk, Yhwach would resist it anyway assuming that Saitama even lands a hit on Yhwach in the first place. Saitama literally has no way to stop the Almighty from automatically negating anything he does and can't even kill Yhwach in the first place. He doesn't have a wincon.

 

[MrTayman616]

We shouldn’t assume he can travel back in time by 50 years when the series only shows him doing it for 5 years. That would still fall under an NLF. You would need supporting evidence or a statement that backs up that he can actually do this, rather than just assuming he can remain in the timeline and move further back in time. It’s been a while since I read OPM, so if there is any supporting evidence, feel free to share it.

If Yhwach from before the fight is allowed to intervene, this is a mismatch since Saitama quite literally can't do anything to win.

 

[PizzaDante67]

Tbh I only argued it in this case because I know the schifts have left yhwach and returned. I don’t read bleach personally so idk the context fully.

They left yhwach because he gave them away. It was explained by Jugram. Everything yhwach gives will Return once the person who received something dies (or if yhwach uses Auswählen).

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Wasn't it the same for Yhwach (I didn't watch Bleach, so dunno :d)

Almighty is not external factor as far as I remember. It's his own power. It's been a while I read the Bleach. Even if it's still resisted Ichibe powernull.

If Yhwach from before the fight is allowed to intervene, this is a mismatch since Saitama quite literally can't do anything to win.

I'm pretty sure SBA allows external influence as long as it's linked to characters in a sense it's applicable in battle. Yhwach dying in future means it's a problem for Past Yhwach. So should work. Well just ask staffs if it's allowed. I'll check the SBA rules again.

 

[SharkBook01]

It's the "flow" system of OPM. But that's not what reverses time. It's just a state of antiparticles, not really a "power" or something like that.

I mean, Saitama was able to copy it with power mimicry. Even if you want to argue it's like a martial art technique, Yhwach would still know what the technique does by looking at it.

 

[Quangotjokes]

We shouldn’t assume he can travel back in time by 50 years when the series only shows him doing it for 5 years. That would still fall under an NLF. You would need supporting evidence or a statement that backs up that he can actually do this, rather than just assuming he can remain in the timeline and move further back in time. It’s been a while since I read OPM, so if there is any supporting evidence, feel free to share it.

5 years? Saitama traveled back 15 minutes, but I don’t believe so. It’s illogical to assume he couldn’t just stay in the timestream.