FTL Gojo - Sukuna because of the QNA Statement? — Possible Jujutsu Kaisen Speed Upgrade

[FrostyScarf]

Q:「宿儺はいつ五条を斬るための『縛り』を結んだのか？」

A:「日下部が『五条の勝ちだ』と断言した後です**。彼が斬られたのは、摩虎羅（まこら）を破壊した後に油断があったからでもあります。この時点で、五条は宿儺がもう無下限を突破する手段を持っていないと考えていました。通常の状況であれば、五条はそれを察知してギリギリで致命傷を回避できたかもしれん。」

Q: "When did Sukuna enter into the 'Binding Vow' to slash Gojo?"

A: "It was after Kusakabe declared, 'Gojo wins.' Part of the reason Gojo was slashed was that he let his guard down after destroying Makora. After that, Gojo believed Sukuna no longer had the means to bypass his Limitless. Under normal circumstances, Gojo might have sensed it and managed to avoid a fatal wound at the very last second. - ENG Translation

• Myamura's Tweet / TL [1]
• LightningClare's Tweet / TL [2]
• Yatsukiyuu's Tweet / TL [3]

 

[Mythic381]

Q:「宿儺はいつ五条を斬るための『縛り』を結んだのか？」

A:「日下部が『五条の勝ちだ』と断言した後です**。彼が斬られたのは、摩虎羅（まこら）を破壊した後に油断があったからでもあります。この時点で、五条は宿儺がもう無下限を突破する手段を持っていないと考えていました。通常の状況であれば、五条はそれを察知してギリギリで致命傷を回避できたかもしれん。」

At least translate the text.

 

[FrostyScarf]

At least translate the text.

Translations in the attached image alongside three other translations as my sources, how many more translations do you need?

 

[DragoZeroNova]

At least for me, two of the links are unviewable unless I have an account. From what I remember, Myumura also isn't that reliable, since I think he was the one who fabricated the Kashimo Q&A (unless I'm wrong).

 

[AmonInChains]

Show the actual source and not a freaking tweet, dog.

 

[FrostyScarf]

At least for me, two of the links are unviewable unless I have an account. From what I remember, Myumura also isn't that reliable, since I think he was the one who fabricated the Kashimo Q&A (unless I'm wrong).

Istfg I already had to go through hell and back to get this tumblr image working since I'm over in the land of brits, links work fine on my end but I wouldn't be surprised if they broke







Myumura spread it by accident instead of intentionally trying to gaslight but that's why I linked other sources just incase

 

[Arkenis]

Wouldn't make him FTL even if he did avoid it.

 

[FrostyScarf]

Wouldn't make him FTL even if he did avoid it.

Since when does both dodging and reacting to a FTL attack not our criteria of FTL?

 

[Zabazab]

Tweets from non-official accounts are not considered reliable sources.

But in the first place, Gojo potentially being able to dodge the Dismantle if he hadn't let his guard down doesn't mean he scales to Dismantle's speed. He could aim-dodge, or just dodge despite being slower due to the distance between him and Sukuna.

This is all without mentioning the fact that JJK Modulo hard-caps the verse's speed below the speed of light. Gojo and Sukuna's ratings are more likely to become slower than faster.

 

[Mythic381]

At least for me, two of the links are unviewable unless I have an account. From what I remember, Myumura also isn't that reliable, since I think he was the one who fabricated the Kashimo Q&A (unless I'm wrong).

First tweet:

GEGE SAYS THE BIGGEST FACTOR FOR GOJO'S DEFEAT IS THAT GOJO LET HIS GUARD DOWN!!“

After defeating Mahoraga, Gojo thought that Sukuna had no way to bypass his infinity anymore. I think that the usual Gojo would've sensed that something was amiss & could've avoided a fatal wound”

Second tweet:

Q: “When did Sukuna make the Binding Vow to cut down Gojo?”

A: “Sometime after Kusakabe said he won. The reason he was cut down was also bc he had let his guard down after destroying Mahoraga. By this point, Gojo thought Sukuna no longer had a way to bypass Limitless. Perhaps Gojo under normal circumstances would’ve been able to sense it and narrowly avoid fatality.”

Third tweet:

Just checked the Jp repo on Jp forum , they claim Gege said

“The slash that hit Gojo happened right after he said “This is Gojo’s win.”I think he let his guard down after defeating Mahoraga. At that point, he believed Sukuna had no way to counter Limitless anymore.If it had been the usual Gojo, he probably would’ve sensed something and at least dodged the fatal blow.”

So the world slash could be dodged and avoid , Gojo get cut by Sukuna because he let his guard down ( Gege doesn’t claim Gojo is weaker than Sukuna )Ps: the word in original Japanese is not Ego .

 

[Saqphire]

First, translate the tweet in the translation thread. Second, even if we grant Lightning's translation, him dodging it wouldn't be FTL because of two reasons.
1. Dodging an object =/= you're as fast or faster than it. Especially when Lightning says that he could've sensed the slash beforehand, meaning he is fully capable of aim dodging it.
2. It wasn't the same Dismantle he used against Kashimo (they are similar because he chanted and it cuts the world, but both have their distinct differences)

 

[Arkenis]

Since when does both dodging and reacting to a FTL attack not our criteria of FTL?

Since math. If he avoids it by just 10cm but it traveled 10m, he wouldn't be FTL.

 

[FrostyScarf]

First, translate the tweet in the translation thread. Second, even if we grant Lightning's translation, him dodging it wouldn't be FTL because of two reasons.
1. Dodging an object =/= you're as fast or faster than it. Especially when Lightning says that he could've sensed the slash beforehand, meaning he is fully capable of aim dodging it.
2. It wasn't the same Dismantle he used against Kashimo (they are similar because he chanted and it cuts the world, but both have their distinct differences)

Sukuna made a binding vow to avoid chanting WCS in-order to release against Gojo fym that they'd be different, it's literally the same attack 1-1 without difference, only reason Sukuna has to chant everytime was because of this instance?

Doesn't Kashimo literally state it's the same thing aswell?
"This is what ended Gojou Satoru's life... A SLASH THAT BISECTS THE WORLD.""

 

[TalkLost6874]

It would just make him Rel depending on the distance, not FTL.

If we already accept FTL WCS dismantle, then of course this would scale to Gojo.

 

[FrostyScarf]

It would just make him Rel depending on the distance, not FTL.

If we already accept FTL WCS dismantle, then of course this would scale to Gojo.

FTL WCS Dismantle is accepted on Sukuna's profile

 

[Mythic381]

If we already accept FTL WCS dismantle, then of course this would scale to Gojo.

FTL Attack Speed with World Cutting Slash (Cut an electromagnetic wave)

I'm not much knowledgeable on JJK, but is using tweets really considered valid sources? Is there any actual merit to them?

 

[VoidGoji]

Again, Modulo also hardcaps the speed because Dabura going at relativistic speeds was already explicitly stated to be something unexplored by humanity, which would hit/kill even relativistic scaling

 

[TalkLost6874]

First, translate the tweet in the translation thread. Second, even if we grant Lightning's translation, him dodging it wouldn't be FTL because of two reasons.
1. Dodging an object =/= you're as fast or faster than it. Especially when Lightning says that he could've sensed the slash beforehand, meaning he is fully capable of aim dodging it.
2. It wasn't the same Dismantle he used against Kashimo (they are similar because he chanted and it cuts the world, but both have their distinct differences)

I think he's just arguing reaction speeds.

It absolutely was the same dismantle. What the heck else would it be? Infact, even if they were different, the attack vs Gojo should be superior in all aspects unless you think Sukuna was try-harding more vs Kashimo then Gojo.

 

[FrostyScarf]

I'm not much knowledgeable on JJK, but is using tweets really considered valid sources? Is there any actual merit to them?

We don't have the source since it was a in-person event, LightningClare however was Viz's official translator for #236 of the manga and the most reliable source we have of the claim, Raw JP were grabbed from the JP repo form

 

[Arkenis]

I'm not much knowledgeable on JJK, but is using tweets really considered valid sources? Is there any actual merit to them?

We have translators to verify it on site. It's not just someone saying it, they're also reading the raws.

 

[FrostyScarf]

Again, Modulo also hardcaps the speed because Dabura going at relativistic speeds was already explicitly stated to be something unexplored by humanity, which would hit/kill even relativistic scaling

Mankind and sorcerers are referred to differently a few times throughout the manga

 

[FrostyScarf]

Tweets from non-official accounts are not considered reliable sources.

But in the first place, Gojo potentially being able to dodge the Dismantle if he hadn't let his guard down doesn't mean he scales to Dismantle's speed. He could aim-dodge, or just dodge despite being slower due to the distance between him and Sukuna.

This is all without mentioning the fact that JJK Modulo hard-caps the verse's speed below the speed of light. Gojo and Sukuna's ratings are more likely to become slower than faster.

The distance between him and Sukuna here is beyond tiny here, don't think it's even a beds distance away and 'Aim-Dodging' isn't what's being stated, Gojo 'sensing' something directly refers to him sensing the spark of ignition not him watching Sukuna get into his position

 

[Saqphire]

Sukuna made a binding vow to avoid chanting WCS in-order to release against Gojo wym that they'd be different, it's literally the same attack, only reason Sukuna has to chant everytime was because of this instance?

Doesn't Kashimo literally state it's the same thing aswell?
"this is what ended Gojou Satoru's life... A SLASH THAT BISECTS THE WORLD.""

I think he's just arguing reaction speeds.

It absolutely was the same dismantle. What the heck else would it be? Infact, even if they were different, the attack vs Gojo should be superior in all aspects unless you think Sukuna was try-harding more vs Kashimo then Gojo.

Dawg I'm saying both of you are assuming that both Dismantles used were at the same speed. You need prove that (and no, Kashimo referring to both Dismantles being WCS =/= Kashimo was saying they were going at the same speed; he's referring to how they both cut the world).

And the one Sukuna used against Gojo doesn't necessarily need to be superior to Kashimo's either as:
1. Sukuna was off-guarding him to beat him.
2. That Sukuna is giga-nerfed compared to the Sukuna that was fighting Kashimo with his true body lmfao; I don't think we can infer that the Sukuna on his deathbed would be superior to a restored Sukuna here.

 

[FrostyScarf]

Dawg I'm saying both of you are assuming that both Dismantles used were at the same speed. You need prove that (and no, Kashimo referring to both Dismantles being WCS =/= Kashimo was saying they were going at the same speed; he's referring to how they both cut the world).

And the one Sukuna used against Gojo doesn't necessarily need to be superior to Kashimo's either as:
1. Sukuna was off-guarding him to beat him.
2. That Sukuna is giga-nerfed compared to the Sukuna that was fighting Kashimo with his true body lmfao; I don't think we can infer that the Sukuna on his deathbed would be superior to a restored Sukuna here.

lmfao, christ almighty, I'm not even gonna entertain that

 

[Saqphire]

lmfao, christ almighty, I'm not even gonna entertain that

I don't think so gang. Your whole CRT hinges on your assumption being true and I'm questioning that in the first place

 

[Maniaunavailable]

why we using twt to upgrade a verse bro, this cannot be serious.

Eitherway Dabura and mahoraga are stated to have an speed ''beyond the human limit'' (it would be dumb to assume this also dosnt mean sorcers too, as they are, u know, humans too) so it wouldnt make sense for gojo to be faster than this two. Disagree personally

 

[TalkLost6874]

Again, Modulo also hardcaps the speed because Dabura going at relativistic speeds was already explicitly stated to be something unexplored by humanity, which would hit/kill even relativistic scaling

Modulo never caps the speed at anything specific, just below Dabura which is completely fine here. Nobody is arguing Gojo/Sukuna can move at 0.8c or higher, they're not even a arguing they have reactions at that speed. Just somewhere in the sub rel - rel ranges and only in reaction.

Dawg I'm saying both of you are assuming that both Dismantles used were at the same speed. You need prove that (and no, Kashimo referring to both Dismantles being WCS =/= Kashimo was saying they were going at the same speed; he's referring to how they both cut the world).

And the one Sukuna used against Gojo doesn't necessarily need to be superior to Kashimo's either as:
1. Sukuna was off-guarding him to beat him.
2. That Sukuna is giga-nerfed compared to the Sukuna that was fighting Kashimo with his true body lmfao; I don't think we can infer that the Sukuna on his deathbed would be superior to a restored Sukuna here.

Yes, Im assuming that 2 attacks that are the same have the same speed. If the attack is the same then the assumption is the attack speed is the same.

And even in that case, would the slash vs Gojo be slower than the one vs Kashimo? Sukuna was sacred of Kashimo more? Whats the idea here? It does not need to be superior but it also does not need to be inferior, and if there was a choice it would be the former as Gojo is more dangerous in that state vs MBA.

1. You're saying it like Sukuna was acting here, he wasn't. Gojo just got complacent after Mahoraga died.
2. And what exactly does that nerf do to change the speed of his wcs because even true form Sukuna wasn't 100% either. So do you mean to say a full powered Sukuna's WCS is actually >>>> 1.26c? And if yes then how?

 

[Tuxidoe_Redo]

why we using twt to upgrade a verse bro, this cannot be serious.

Eitherway Dabura and mahoraga are stated to have an speed ''beyond the human limit'' (it would be dumb to assume this also dosnt mean sorcers too, as they are, u know, humans too) so it wouldnt make sense for gojo to be faster than this two. Disagree personally

BRo Kashimo literally has statements of surpassing human limits yet got slimed by a weakened sukuna. I dont think its fair to use dabura as a speed cap for gokuna

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Dabura is in the room

Also, Joakin calcs are getting nuked

 

[FrostyScarf]

why we using twt to upgrade a verse bro, this cannot be serious.

Eitherway Dabura and mahoraga are stated to have an speed ''beyond the human limit'' (it would be dumb to assume this also dosnt mean sorcers too, as they are, u know, humans too) so it wouldnt make sense for gojo to be faster than this two. Disagree personally

I mean sorcerers are referred to as different than that of humans, dozens and dozens of times throughout the manga and Kash's dumbass has a statement saying his own body "surpassed that of mankind" only to show a physical inferiority to a weakened human, Sorcerers very clearly ≠> Humans for any and all statements involving mankind, those filthy ******* monkeys could never be in the same breath as those better than them

 

[Maniaunavailable]

BRo Kashimo literally has statements of surpassing human limits yet got slimed by a weakened sukuna. I dont think its fair to use dabura as a speed cap for gokuna

hmmm, I mean dabura and mahoraga are confirmed to be going at light speeds, Kashimo FTL was only accepted as attack speed not actual travel iirc. So I still think dabura and mahoraga still are the speed cap due to them beign said and shown to be going at light speeds. still disagree ngl

 

[Tuxidoe_Redo]

I mean sorcerers are referred to as different than that of humans, dozens and dozens of times throughout the manga and Kash's dumbass has a statement saying his own body "surpassed that of mankind" only to show a physical inferiority against a weakened human, Sorcerers very clearly ≠ Humans for statements involving mankind, those filthy ******* monkeys could never be in the same breath as those better than them

Geto was right and did nothing wrong

 

[Saqphire]

Yes, Im assuming that 2 attacks that are the same have the same speed. If the attack is the same then the assumption is the attack speed is the same.

That's not always the case, we literally see the same attack have varying speeds in this very verse; Piercing Blood is a prominent example. Naoya's movement speed being an example, hell WCS itself is an example, as WCS was at one point being capable of being dodged by Superhuman-Mach 3 Maki (her precog is in real time + it would be more extraordinary to say her precog can see attacks over a gazillion times faster than her, so don't even bring that argument up).

Thus, making that assumption is flawed.

And even in that case, would the slash vs Gojo be slower than the one vs Kashimo? Sukuna was sacred of Kashimo more? Whats the idea here?

Why are you strawmanning me? All I'm saying is that the two Dismantles do not need to have the same speed because they are two different applications of one attack. Unless his Dismantles all have the same velocity (which it doesn't, unless you're saying Maki > Gojo now), you can't use one to compare the other.

And if the assumption that the two Dismantles having the same speed wouldn't necessarily be true, then you cannot use one to compare the other regardless as that's fallacious.

It does not need to be superior but it also does not need to be inferior, and if there was a choice it would be the former as Gojo is more dangerous in that state vs MBA.

Exactly how is 235 Gojo "more dangerous" and thus "faster" than MBA Kashimo? Do not strawman me and try to say "so you're saying Kashimo is above Gojo?!?!?!", I am asking why you think in that specific situation, Gojo would be above Kashimo in that situation to the point that Sukuna used a faster dismantle here.

1. You're saying it like Sukuna was acting here, he wasn't. Gojo just got complacent after Mahoraga died.

And? That doesn't mean Sukuna didn't off-guard him + that doesn't prove his attack is as fast as the one he used against Kashimo.

2. And what exactly does that nerf do to change the speed of his wcs because even true form Sukuna wasn't 100% either.

You're the one using Sukuna's state of being to infer attack speed. I'm simply doing the same.

So do you mean to say a full powered Sukuna's WCS is actually >>>> 1.26c? And if yes then how?

This doesn't really pertain to the argument as no one is talking about Fully Powered TF Sukuna currently. We are talking about Deathbed Sukuna vs. Body Restored Sukuna.

 

[Treeztarz]

isnt there a staff thread about like speed capping and stuff? would this not fall under that??

 

[Saqphire]

isnt there a staff thread about like speed capping and stuff? would this not fall under that??

The cap being discussed in that thread doesn't apply to Gojo, Sukuna or MBA Kashimo

 

[Treeztarz]

The cap being discussed in that thread doesn't apply to Gojo, Sukuna or MBA Kashimo

I see. Even still I agree with you for the reasons you have argued above and also the fact that we have literally no way of knowing HOW he would dodge it

 

[Maniaunavailable]

I see. Even still I agree with you for the reasons you have argued above and also the fact that we have literally no way of knowing HOW he would dodge it

He would dodge it, just trust me he can

 

[Saqphire]

He would dodge it, just trust me he can

Listen bro, Gojo would narrowly dodge it, backflip halfway across the Universe, do a 360 Hollow Purple and no diff Sukuna if he just sensed that Dismantle fr.

Also btw, wouldn't Gege's statement fall under DOTA?

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Listen bro, Gojo would narrowly dodge it, backflip halfway across the Universe and do a 360 Hollow Purple and no diff Sukuna if he just sensed that Dismantle fr.

Also btw, wouldn't Gege's statement fall under DOTA?

idk if it counts as WOG, Idk what counts and what dosnt count

 

[TalkLost6874]

hmmm, I mean dabura and mahoraga are confirmed to be going at light speeds, Kashimo FTL was only accepted as attack speed not actual travel iirc. So I still think dabura and mahoraga still are the speed cap due to them beign said and shown to be going at light speeds. still disagree ngl

Only Dabura is, not Mahoraga.

FTL Kashimo was never a thing as far as I know. Mahoraga was getting babyshaked by Gojo, he's definitely not the cap for Gojo/Sukuna/Yuji.

That's not always the case, we literally see the same attack have varying speeds in this very verse; Piercing Blood is a prominent example. Naoya's movement speed being an example, hell WCS itself is an example, as WCS was at one point being capable of being dodged by Superhuman-Mach 3 Maki (her precog is in real time + it would be more extraordinary to say her precog can see attacks over a gazillion times faster than her, so don't even bring that argument up).

Thus, making that assumption is flawed.

These are different attacks, where are the showings of Sukuna's dismantles being slower or faster, that is whats relevant. Naoya's speed is dependent on how long he accelerates so of course it will be affected.

For the Maki example, its just an outlier. I mean Kenny was able to react to the Tidal forces of a black hole before being shredded, yet whats his cap again? Its just an outlier for Maki, unless you think it literally slowed down by 300,000 times relative to his version against Kashimo. The assumption is still fine.

Why are you strawmanning me? All I'm saying is that the two Dismantles do not need to have the same speed because they are two different applications of one attack. Unless his Dismantles all have the same velocity (which it doesn't, unless you're saying Maki > Gojo now), you can't use one to compare the other.

And if the assumption that the two Dismantles having the same speed wouldn't necessarily be true, then you cannot use one to compare the other regardless as that's fallacious.

Ain't nobody straw-manning you. You're just making things up by saying dismantles are variable in speed when nothing has been said or implied like that.

They are the same attack. And his dismantles should therefore have the same speed. Maki is a ridiculous outlier just like Kenny is.

And then you're going on to say he actually used a slower version of the same attack vs someone who could kill 5 MBA Kashimos even on his deathbed and who just got back his RCT output while having infinity.

Exactly how is 235 Gojo "more dangerous" and thus "faster" than MBA Kashimo? Do not strawman me and try to say "so you're saying Kashimo is above Gojo?!?!?!", I am asking why you think in that specific situation, Gojo would be above Kashimo in that situation to the point that Sukuna used a faster dismantle here.

And? That doesn't mean Sukuna didn't off-guard him + that doesn't prove his attack is as fast as the one he used against Kashimo.

Y

Because Gojo has infinity and just got back his RCT output and the fact that he was confident enough to let his guard down. Do you actually think this weakened version of Gojo is losing to any version of Kashimo? So, of course he was more dangerous. Plus Im not saying he used a faster dismantle, Im saying it was the same, BUT if it were different it would be superior.

ou're the one using Sukuna's state of being to infer attack speed. I'm simply doing the same.

This doesn't really pertain to the argument as no one is talking about Fully Powered TF Sukuna currently. We are talking about Deathbed Sukuna vs. Body Restored Sukuna.

1. And nothing. Im just saying he wasn't acting thats all. Not that he didn't catch Gojo off guard but that it wasn't an intentional act.

2. No, Im doing exactly the opposite, Im not saying Sukuna was 50% or 80% and therefore the attacks are different, Im saying they are the same.

3. We aren't talking about it but you said his WCS speed varies based on his state of being, so if a weakened version can do 1.26c then it flows that his full power self would be above it. If it can be slower due to state, then it can be faster too.