Alastor (Hazbin Hotel) vs Roaring Knight (Deltarune)

[Qurbonboev]

Instead of relying on frauds, Charlie hired Roaring Knight to deal with the General of Exorcists
Edit: Streets are saying that it's stomp. So I am changing Adam to Alastor. Assume that Knight beat Adam, but Charlie was too broke to pay and fight was ensured.

7-B Knight is used
Base Alastor is used
Knight LS is 122x times greater than Alastor tentacles
Distance is 50 metres
Knight knows about AP disadvantage
Speed is equalized
SBA otherwise

Papyrus: @LittleGuy99

Radio Demon:

Incon

 

[StrymULTRA]

The Knight genuinely skillstomps so hard it's not even fair.

 

[Qurbonboev]

The Knight genuinely skillstomps so hard it's not even fair.

Who would be better opponent from verse? Alastor?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Who would be better opponent from verse? Alastor?

Probs yeah, but Adam relies on brute force all the time and so he gets outskilled + sensory hax'd + danmaku'd + soul hax'd to oblivion.

 

[ShionAH]

He could pull something off with Holy Light if he gets Prior Knowledge like Knight has right now.

Alastor would prolly be a more fun matchup option.

 

[StrymULTRA]

He could pull something off with Holy Light if he gets Prior Knowledge like Knight has right now.

Nah it'd teleport.

 

[ShionAH]

Nah it'd teleport.

Stunned

 

[StrymULTRA]

Stunned

It really did stun Charlie and Vaggie lol.

Even if you were right, Adam didn't use it against Alastor, and if Alastor did manage to hit him all the time, the Knight would reduce him to paste via hax alone.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Probs yeah, but Adam relies on brute force all the time and so he gets outskilled + sensory hax'd + danmaku'd + soul hax'd to oblivion.

He could pull something off with Holy Light if he gets Prior Knowledge like Knight has right now.

Alastor would prolly be a more fun matchup option.

Changed to Alastor

 

[ShionAH]

Even if you were right, Adam didn't use it against Alastor, and if Alastor did manage to hit him all the time, the Knight would reduce him to paste via hax alone.

Yeah thats why I said he gotta get Prior Knowledge, remember Al also has thought based teleportation yet got tagged the moment Adam used Holy Light

Its a mismatch, Adam stomps if he gets Knowledge or Bloodlust if not Knight haxes him to death

Anyways OP changed it to Al so this isn’t relevant

 

[StrymULTRA]

ts a mismatch, Adam stomps if he gets Knowledge

Whatever makes you sleep at night.

Anyway, I don't really recall Alastor having experience with dealing with Danmaku to that degree, while his attacks aren't that hard to dodge compared to the usual Deltarune enemy, and I don't see any Resistance to the Knight's main skill repertory so... yeah, I suppose the Knight gets this.

 

[ShionAH]

Alastor has enough skill to dodge characters who can one shot him, even when weakened he could avoid and dodge Vox’s cable danmaku with the addition of him one shotting through sneak attacks from his shadows that Knight can’t dodge it’s looking fair. He can also abuse his thought based incorporeality and teleportation at all times

Lemm call @TheOrangeGuy09

 

[StrymULTRA]

Alastor has enough skill to dodge characters who can one shot him

This isn't skill.

even when weakened he could avoid and dodge Vox’s cable danmaku

Comparing that to stuff like Jevil's Danmaku is a statement indeed.

of him one shotting through sneak attacks from his shadows

Teleports + Sensory hax I am afraid.

incorporeality

Soul NPI. Plus in Deltarune we have ghosts as well.

 

[ShionAH]

This isn't skill.

I am pretty sure it is.

Comparing that to stuff like Jevil's Danmaku is a statement indeed.

I was just listing off his feats, can you stop being obnoxious asf?

Teleports

He would be off guard, plus the first scan his teleportation isn’t instant

Sensory hax

Wtf does this mean?

Soul NPI. Plus in Deltarune we have ghosts as well.

I don’t see any mention of Knight being able to interact with shadows which is just absence of light

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Teleports + Sensory hax I am afraid.

Knight wouldn't expect a shadow to punch them in the face, pretty sure.
They also don’t have any good dodging skill or whatever, we've only seen them dodge like pretty straight forward projectiles.

And their sensory hax had no impact on Kris so doubt it's doing much to Alastor here.

 

[StrymULTRA]

They also don’t have any good dodging skill or whatever, we've only seen them dodge like pretty straight forward projectiles.

Isn't that the same for anything in HH too though?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

The wind/TK is probably the biggest thing they've got, but Alastor becoming a shadow still does null it.
The shadow thing, even if it doesn't make Alastor immune to the soul shenanigans, it still should help with dodging cause Knight will have to aim at the ground to hit him (It's also faster than his standard speed, but that's not listed rn)

Also this match is definitely reliant on whether this is S1 or S2 Al, considering how overconfident he was in S1.

 

[ShionAH]

Id assume we are using S2 Al.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Base Alastor is used

It's the S1 one.

 

[ShionAH]

Base Alastor doesn’t actually say anything because he was also Base Alastor at the end of S2.

I don’t think we can even use S1 Al since the profiles would take the strongest versions which would make Base Al S2 version.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Isn't that the same for anything in HH too though?

Ye (Husk dodging those Velvette Knives spam is probably a better showing than the Knight’s, but not by much), I was more trying to say that the Knight isn't anywhere near the Fun Gang's skill.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I was more trying to say that the Knight isn't anywhere near the Fun Gang's skill.

For now, just wait Ch 5/6 where it'll show another cutscene hax of it brawling with Susie in a super-cool fight in their last showdown.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Alastor has enough skill to dodge characters who can one shot him,

Dodging someone who is oneshot stronger than you isn't skill feat by itself. How did projectile/danmaku actually looked like?

I don’t see any mention of Knight being able to interact with shadows which is just absence of light

Lightners can interact with Titan and Titanspawns. And Soul NPI covers it anyways, since Alastor Soul isn't turning to shadow too.

They also don’t have any good dodging skill or whatever, we've only seen them dodge like pretty straight forward projectiles.

Even without feats, shapeshifting and TP makes it much easier to dodge.

And their sensory hax had no impact on Kris so doubt it's doing much to Alastor here.

It had impact on Kris, judging by narrator. It just Player isn't affected directly by what happens with Kris mind.

Knight wouldn't expect a shadow to punch them in the face, pretty sure.

Rudy uses TK first, sees that Alastor turns into shadow, and became aware against them

 

[ShionAH]

Alastor can sink into his shadows but he also has his own shadow who is aware and kind of alive that can attack at any time from nothingness which are two different powers, it’s like impossible to dodge unless you somehow knew the absence of light can one shot you.

 

[Qurbonboev]

it’s like impossible to dodge unless you somehow knew the absence of light can one shot you.

Rudy uses TK first, sees that Alastor turns into shadow, and became aware against them

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

It had impact on Kris, judging by narrator. It just Player isn't affected directly by what happens with Kris mind.

Alastor fought against the Vees and Vox with an open wound, and quickly rebounded after being electrocuted and punched in said open wound, so I don't think it's going to affect him all that much.

But if this is S1 Alastor, he also probably is going to be screwing around with the Knight so he might not even one-shot.
Until he pulls up his huge explosion Ig

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Rudy uses TK first, sees that Alastor turns into shadow, and became aware against them

Like Shion said, it's sorta an different power.
Alastor himself doesn't become a shadow, his shadow is just going to deck the Knight in the chin.

 

[ShionAH]

I might go with Alastor, its S2 so he wont be overconfident and plays it smart. Shadow hit is an instant wincon and so is the giant explosions he can generate at whim, he has the skill and experience advantage while also having a better ability to escape attacks (teleport + shadow sink), he is smarter by a lot and obviously one shots with anything even his minions and tentacles (both which he can spam).

He can also summon Husk and Niffty while Niffty wont do much other than be a threat due to small size and surprisingly good dodging/agility Husk is genuinely a good advantage to have due to his versatility and extremely good dodging feats/abilities with his dices also having giant explosions

 

[StrymULTRA]

Alastor himself doesn't become a shadow, his shadow is just going to deck the Knight in the chin.

I forgor

 

[ShionAH]

I forgor

“Silly cars :3” humor detected, prepare for the extermination.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Like Shion said, it's sorta an different power.
Alastor himself doesn't become a shadow, his shadow is just going to deck the Knight in the chin.

So what exactly he can do against TK?

 

[God_of_perversion]

I was more trying to say that the Knight isn't anywhere near the Fun Gang's skill.

The fan gang wank is insane

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

So what exactly he can do against TK?

Can't TK a shadow

 

[Qurbonboev]

Can't TK a shadow

It would immediately alarm Knight of any shadows(besides Carol is usually floating).
And if Alastor is moving shadow on the ground, his movement limits from 3D to 2D. Which kinda dangerous if Carol can just send unavoidable straight line of swords that will raze surface(and inevitably hit him).

He can also summon Husk and Niffty while Niffty wont do much other than be a threat due to small size and surprisingly good dodging/agility Husk is genuinely a good advantage to have due to his versatility and extremely good dodging feats/abilities with his dices also having giant explosions

Do they have anything against TK+Danmaku?

The fan gang wank is insane

As it currently stands, Gang have(leach off) pretty good feats. We don't have that many feats of Knight dodging anything, it mostly straight projectiles. At least we know Papyrus can use fast shapeshifting for dodging, and they have TP, which greatly helps

 

[God_of_perversion]

As it currently stands, Gang have(leach off) pretty good feats. We don't have that many feats of Knight dodging anything, it mostly straight projectiles. At least we know Papyrus can use fast shapeshifting for dodging, and they have TP, which greatly helps

I mean the narrative supports the Knight being at least as skilled as the fun gang (if not more) plus i doubt he wouldn't be able to dodge his own danmaku

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

following

 

[Qurbonboev]

I mean the narrative supports the Knight being at least as skilled as the fun gang (if not more) plus i doubt he wouldn't be able to dodge his own danmaku

Good idea. In game about magic, main antagonist should be as good as protagonist is in magic. In game of bullet hell antagonist too should be in similar skill level in dodging to protagonist.
(Borrowing skill feats from Gang and adding Teleportation finally allows it to go extreme diff against Touhou mid stage boss)

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

It would immediately alarm Knight of any shadows(besides Carol is usually floating).
And if Alastor is moving shadow on the ground, his movement limits from 3D to 2D. Which kinda dangerous if Carol can just send unavoidable straight line of swords that will raze surface(and inevitably hit him).

When Alastor's serious, he tends to phase in and out of his shadow form rather than staying in it constantly. Swords that only scrape or raze the surface would be useless against him while he’s airborne and the ones midair won’t do much when Alastor is moving as a shadow.

Plus when Alastor went for the sneak shadow uppercut on Adam, he did it while already swarming him with tentacles (They’d be an even bigger problem for the Knight, since unlike Adam they can’t really cut them). Odds are they’d be way too preoccupied dealing with everything else to even notice the shadow moving underneath them.

Alastor can also just throw up a shadow shield (He can make it a sphere too) and null all of the Knight’s danmaku.

 

[God_of_perversion]

Good idea. In game about magic, main antagonist should be as good as protagonist is in magic. In game of bullet hell antagonist too should be in similar skill level in dodging to protagonist.
(Borrowing skill feats from Gang and adding Teleportation finally allows it to go extreme diff against Touhou mid stage boss)

Fairies in touhou can dodge rain while playing,the Knight isn't on that level of skill sĺop yet

 

[StrymULTRA]

Fairies in touhou can dodge rain while playing,the Knight isn't on that level of skill sĺop yet

I am pretty sure that impossible stuff like this doesn't count as it's straight up nonsensical to do in a realistic scenario, you can't dodge rain because the space is less than the whole volume of your body.