Alastor (Hazbin Hotel) vs Roaring Knight (Deltarune)

[Eden_Warlock99]

What if the fairies are just like really small

 

[StrymULTRA]

What if the fairies are just like really small

this would mean the playable cast is small too, so yuck

 

[God_of_perversion]

What if the fairies are just like really small

They're human child sized

 

[Qurbonboev]

When Alastor's serious, he tends to phase in and out of his shadow form rather than staying in it constantly. Swords that only scrape or raze the surface would be useless against him while he’s airborne and the ones midair won’t do much when Alastor is moving as a shadow.

This, but swords are 5 meters long, and he pulled back each time he isn't in shadow form.

They’d be an even bigger problem for the Knight, since unlike Adam they can’t really cut them).

This duraneging cut.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Alastor can also just throw up a shadow shield (He can make it a sphere too) and null all of the Knight’s danmaku.

Humble duraneg spatial manipulation.
He probably would die if he does shadow shield, since he wouldn't suspect that Knight would be able to do any damage to it

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

This, but swords are 5 meters long, and he pulled back each time he isn't in shadow form.

This move gets countered pretty hard by the shield. Alastor is also pretty adaptive he tends to throw out a bunch of stuff together.

Is the spatial cut dura neg? Fun Gang don't got a resistance from tanking it.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Is the spatial cut dura neg? Fun Gang don't got a resistance from tanking it.

Then they should. Janemba's sword is dura neg too isn't it?

 

[Qurbonboev]

Is the spatial cut dura neg? Fun Gang don't got a resistance from tanking it.

Staff did disagree with them having resistance.
But it was accepted that Final attack bullets(both normal starts and spatial cut) are duraneg, which ignore higher defense, ACTs and elemental resistance(such as shadow mantle). For them Alastor tentacles and shield is no more durable or tougher than Ralsei

 

[DaReaperMan]

So um... one of Alastor's main tricks in combat is the sneak attack. If Knight stays still like a ******* lemming and lets itself get hit, like it did against the FUN gang, Alastor's basic fighting style is instant kill. He'd also only need to get hit one time just to just shadow into the ******* floor for every attack.

 

[Qurbonboev]

So um... one of Alastor's main tricks in combat is the sneak attack. If Knight stays still like a ******* lemming and lets itself get hit, like it did against the FUN gang, Alastor's basic fighting style is instant kill. He'd also only need to get hit one time just to just shadow into the ******* floor for every attack.

She behaved like this only in first Fun Gang fight. Right after clash against Susie, she immediately locks in, blitzes Gang. Then she dodges Undyne, avoid direct confrontation with Gang, dodges Rude Busters, and summons Titan instead of directly fighting. This plus knowledge about AP gap makes Knight take fight seriously.
Wait, I forgot about Titan. What Alastor can do against Titan? How big is his AoE?

 

[God_of_perversion]

So um... one of Alastor's main tricks in combat is the sneak attack. If Knight stays still like a ******* lemming and lets itself get hit, like it did against the FUN gang, Alastor's basic fighting style is instant kill. He'd also only need to get hit one time just to just shadow into the ******* floor for every attack.

This is like the old "no character in undertale can dodge because only Sans dodges in battles" not only was the Knight holding back but he also dodged undyne's spears right after his battle

 

[DaReaperMan]

She behaved like this only in first Fun Gang fight. Right after clash against Susie, she immediately locks in, blitzes Gang. Then she dodges Undyne, avoid direct confrontation with Gang, dodges Rude Busters, and summons Titan instead of directly fighting. This plus knowledge about AP gap makes Knight take fight seriously.
Wait, I forgot about Titan. What Alastor can do against Titan? How big is his AoE?

So she gets sneak attacked anyways. Alastor is ******* 5-B, if one of his attacks hits her toe he one-shots. If one of his minions slaps her sword, he one-shots.

If Alastor thinks that he can't dodge that, he's just going to shadow out.

This is like the old "no character in undertale can dodge because only Sans dodges in battles" not only was the Knight holding back but he also dodged undyne's spears right after his battle

with UT, it's weird as hell because it's actually quite simple: UT characters just aren't that ******* skilled. Asgore and Sans are like, the only ones. Undyne and Papyrus are Medieval Soldier tier. Just because they have tricks up their sleeve offensively doesn't change the fact that for most matches their defense sucks dick.

 

[Qurbonboev]

If one of his minions slaps her sword, he one-shots.

Wdym?

 

[StrymULTRA]

So she gets sneak attacked anyways. Alastor is ******* 5-B, if one of his attacks hits her toe he one-shots. If one of his minions slaps her sword, he one-shots.

Wouldn't it be better to switch to Susie vs Adam anyways, as she actual feats of dodging stuff lol.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Wdym?

Vox is 5-B too. Those minions can harm and pressure him.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Vox is 5-B too. Those minions can harm and pressure him.

Minions die practically instantly due to danmaku, and TK that won't allow them to actually dodge.

If Alastor thinks that he can't dodge that, he's just going to shadow out.

5 metres long swords going to raze ground and kill him, unless he jumps high enough(and at this point he is subject to TK).
Btw, what can hit Alastor in shadow form in verse, besides angelic weapons

 

[DaReaperMan]

Minions die practically instantly due to danmaku, and TK that won't allow them to actually dodge.

That's still aiming her shit another direction.

5 metres long swords going to raze ground and kill him, unless he jumps high enough(and at this point he is subject to TK).
Btw, what can hit Alastor in shadow form, besides angelic weapons(besides angelic weapons I think)

"It'll raze the ground and-- WHAT DO YOU MEAN THAT THE GROUND WAS UNHARMED AFTER THE FIGHT?!?!"

It is Out of Character for RK to damage the environment that much, clearly.

 

[Qurbonboev]

That's still aiming her shit another direction.

She can just pin them to ground and fire straight line of swords(she can do this, and she did this). Nobody without a way to counteract LS gap(like Alastor shadow form) can do anything against it.

"It'll raze the ground and-- WHAT DO YOU MEAN THAT THE GROUND WAS UNHARMED AFTER THE FIGHT?!?!"

It is Out of Character for RK to damage the environment that much, clearly

Bruh, she hever did raze the ground because there were no need to. Gang wasn't hiding as the shadows on the ground.
"Out of Character for RK to damage the environment", she summoned ******* Titan so she can buy some time for herself.
If enemy is hiding in the ground, she is going to attack the ground. What else she gonna do in that case? Besides summoning Titan obviously?
Questions:
1. How Alastor can deal with Titan?
2. Is Alastor shadow form vulnerable to anything other than angelic weapons in verse?

 

[DaReaperMan]

She can just pin them to ground and fire straight line of swords(she can do this, and she did this). Nobody without a way to counteract LS gap(like Alastor shadow form) can do anything against it.

Which, again, is her aiming her shit in another direction. Any minute time spent doing something like that is a chance for Alastor to one-shot.

Bruh, she hever did raze the ground because there were no need to. Gang wasn't hiding as the shadows on the ground.
"Out of Character for RK to damage the environment", she summoned ******* Titan so she can buy some time for herself.
If enemy is hiding in the ground, she is going to attack the ground.

Which is why shit like the swords attack, the final attack, cutting the battle box, etcetera didn't harm the ground? Shit you'd expect the Knight to just stop caring about collateral?

What else she gonna do in that case? Besides summoning Titan obviously?
Questions:
1. How Alastor can deal with Titan?

one-shot it cause he's 5-B

2. Is Alastor shadow form vulnerable to anything other than angelic weapons in verse?

Alastor's Shadow Form required NPI to hit, so... basically Vox. And even Vox has problems with hitting it when Alastor wasn't throwing the fight, and he didn't care about Collateral.

 

[God_of_perversion]

one-shot it cause he's 5-B

Does he gave the range and Aoe to do that tho

 

[God_of_perversion]

Also he only has low godly negation with "angelic wepons" so it doesn't seen like his magic has it too so unless his angelic wepon has a killometer of Aoe he can't kill the titans

 

[DaReaperMan]

Does he gave the range and Aoe to do that tho

It's a pillar of black sperm. And people without said AoE(AKA Gerson and Susie) were able to put the hurt on it. Alastor can literally just do what he did against Pentious the first time and it would genuinely work to kill the Titan because that is his range and he's not limited in how much hentai he can put the Titan through.

Also he only has low godly negation with "angelic wepons" so it doesn't seen like his magic has it too so unless his angelic wepon has a killometer of Aoe he can't kill the titans

Now hear me out... Alastor DOES have Kilometers with magic.

 

[God_of_perversion]

It's a pillar of black sperm. And people without said AoE(AKA Gerson and Susie) were able to put the hurt on it. Alastor can literally just do what he did against Pentious the first time and it would genuinely work to kill the Titan because that is his range and he's not limited in how much hentai he can put the Titan through.

Now hear me out... Alastor DOES have Kilometers with magic.

Ýeah so he isn't doing shit to the Titan,got it

 

[Qurbonboev]

Which, again, is her aiming her shit in another direction. Any minute time spent doing something like that is a chance for Alastor to one-shot.

Alastor obviously too would be subjected to TK and pinned to the ground together with summons and subject to sword danmaku. He can survive via turning to the shadow form. But he still would be in danger of second line of swords.

Alastor's Shadow Form required NPI to hit, so... basically Vox. And even Vox has problems with hitting it when Alastor wasn't throwing the fight, and he didn't care about Collateral.

Vox is fraud and doesn't have Knight danmaku.
I was asking more in line "would Alastor expect Knight danmaku to be able to hit him while he is a shadow".

Which is why shit like the swords attack, the final attack, cutting the battle box, etcetera didn't harm the ground? Shit you'd expect the Knight to just stop caring about collateral?

Because she was trying to hit Gang, not to destroy environment.
Why would Knight care about collateral at all? Collaterals didn't stop her from summoning Titan(which did cause immense amount of collaterals, and could cause Roaring).

It's a pillar of black sperm. And people without said AoE(AKA Gerson and Susie) were able to put the hurt on it.

Giant pillar of black sperm. Gerson and Susie famously can hurt it, but not kill it.

Alastor can literally just do what he did against Pentious the first time and it would genuinely work to kill the Titan because that is his range and he's not limited in how much hentai he can put the Titan through.

And it creates timing for Knight to do TK+Danmaku, while he is distracted by 100m+ monster that destroys environment(including Hazbin hotel) by existing.

Now hear me out... Alastor DOES have Kilometers with magic.

Profiles only gives examples of teleportation and shadow barriers with such a range

 

[ShionAH]

Plus when Alastor went for the sneak shadow uppercut on Adam, he did it while already swarming him with tentacles (They’d be an even bigger problem for the Knight, since unlike Adam they can’t really cut them). Odds are they’d be way too preoccupied dealing with everything else to even notice the shadow moving underneath them.

No one actually answered this? How does TL survive it at all

 

[Qurbonboev]

No one actually answered this? How does TL survive it at all

I answered already. Nobody gonna preoccupy her, since they all would be suppressed by TK+Danmaku. Knight can cut tentacles with duraneging attacks

 

[DaReaperMan]

I answered already. Nobody gonna preoccupy her, since they all would be suppressed by TK+Danmaku. Knight can cut tentacles with duraneging attacks

...it's not durability negation that cute through shit. Unless you think nondescript hentai tentacles have A ******* soul?

 

[Qurbonboev]

...it's not durability negation that cute through shit. Unless you think nondescript hentai tentacles have A ******* soul?

Ralsei doesn't have soul, and is subjected by duraneg same way as Susie and Kris are

 

[DaReaperMan]

Ralsei doesn't have soul, and is subjected by duraneg same way as Susie and Kris are

Ralsei is a ******* Darkner. Alastor's tentacles don't have a soul.

 

[God_of_perversion]

...it's not durability negation that cute through shit. Unless you think nondescript hentai tentacles have A ******* soul?

The hunble space cleaving.
Any way Alastor wincon is fraudulent,the knight is so so so many times more skilled than he is,Asriel is at least as skilled as the fun gang which can dodge omnidirectional danmaku since chapter 1 with the danmakus getting harder each chapter.Like are we dead ass saying that Alastor can catch the Knight of guard like dodging danmaku doesn't require perfect awareness of your surroudings other wise the chapter 1 soldiers and the damn water cooler would no diff the knight

 

[God_of_perversion]

Ralsei is a ******* Darkner. Alastor's tentacles don't have a soul.

Wait aren't darkners acepted to not have soul here?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Wait aren't darkners acepted to not have soul here?

Dunno. I wouldn't be surprised of Ralsei was the exception though. Or if the Player is giving him one for fights.

 

[ShionAH]

The knight is so so so many times more skilled than he is

Deltarune skill wank is just pathetic 🫩

 

[DaReaperMan]

Also why would the Roaring Knight scale to the FUN Gang in skill, her ***** ass got loldodged and she only beat them because of blitzing.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Dunno. I wouldn't be surprised of Ralsei was the exception though. Or if the Player is giving him one for fights.

Interesting reasoning, ngl.
But for now all darkners lack Soul.

Also why would the Roaring Knight scale to the FUN Gang in skill, her ***** ass got loldodged and she only beat them because of blitzing.

She loldodged in first fight, afterwards she actually locked in and were dodging with use of shapeshifting. Add in Teleportation and hitting her is quite a challenge.
As I said earlier, Tentacles can be cut by duranegging attacks

 

[StrymULTRA]

Deltarune skill wank is just pathetic 🫩

Can't wait for the debunk CRT that'll never come :#

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Staff did disagree with them having resistance.
But it was accepted that Final attack bullets(both normal starts and spatial cut) are duraneg, which ignore higher defense, ACTs and elemental resistance(such as shadow mantle). For them Alastor tentacles and shield is no more durable or tougher than Ralsei

That attack does like percentage damage, no? It’s pretty bad when you're going up against dozens of minions/tentacles at once

She loldodged in first fight, afterwards she actually locked in and were dodging with use of shapeshifting. Add in Teleportation and hitting her is quite a challenge.
As I said earlier, Tentacles can be cut by duranegging attacks

That don't mean she should scale to the Fun Gang tho, she still only beat them by pure stats.

Didn't see the thing about the Knight knowing the AP advantage tho, with that I think they're just going to summon a Titan and go hide in a closet or something like they did in Ch4 lol

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Actually also cause for some ******* reason Alastor only has Supersonic travel speed, if the Knight gets 5 meters away from him, he can't do nothing to catch them again lol

 

[StrymULTRA]

Actually also cause for some ******* reason Alastor only has Supersonic travel speed, if the Knight gets 5 meters away from him, he can't do nothing to catch them again lol

Alastor became a Jojo character fsr now

 

[DaReaperMan]

Actually also cause for some ******* reason Alastor only has Supersonic travel speed, if the Knight gets 5 meters away from him, he can't do nothing to catch them again lol

Alastor would be reduced to around average human, his combat speed is still FTL(And thus his combat movements)