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A Hunters grasp| The Hunter (Bloodborne) vs The Player (Slap battles) | [10-2-0] (Concluded)

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And again, without any indication of hot the player would fight without player control/influence, you cannot viable argue for any one strategy as all the stuff done is purely based on the person controlling the player. Unless there are cutscenes or NPC gameplay, everything you mentioned is entirely based on player control and thus non-canon.
You cannot argue that the hunter would switch to ranged weapons when slap teleports away. Unless there are cutscenes or gameplay it’s all non canon player control.


This is how you sound, obviously the hunter is going to have the common sense to switch to his ranged weapons.
 
Weekly’s entire argument revolves around assuming slap is a mindless npc (when he has shown intelegence feats), who would pick something like a stick against a foe he assumes to be equal to him.
 
You cannot argue that the hunter would switch to ranged weapons when slap teleports away. Unless there are cutscenes or gameplay it’s all non canon player control.


This is how you sound, obviously the hunter is going to have the common sense to switch to his ranged weapons.
He doesn't need to switch to a ranged weapon, the huntwr by default caries a melew weapon in his right hand and a ranged weapon in his left.
 
He doesn't need to switch to a ranged weapon, the huntwr by default caries a melew weapon in his right hand and a ranged weapon in his left.
Fair, but my point still dosent change, I can just replace hunter with Travis touchdown or smth and my point still stands. We need to assume they have the common sense
 
Fair, but my point still dosent change, I can just replace hunter with Travis touchdown or smth and my point still stands. We need to assume they have the common sense
And do you really think someone who’s been in dozens of battles with people far more experienced them him would use ******* default or some shit against a person they believe to be equal to them
 
And do you really think someone who’s been in dozens of battles with people far more experienced them him would use ******* default or some shit against a person they believe to be equal to them
And besides, even if we want to go your route and assume that he would be indesicive on gloves (already proved incorrect). He has several healing gloves that would allow him to just trial and error over and over again. I also notice how you switched your argument from hunter can come back to anything slap can do to slap wouldnt be able to decide what to do. Stop backtracking
 
I also want to point out how this has been going fkr a bit

1.i list out my points
2.weekly finds a weak point in one of them that I fix, ignoring the rest of the argument
3.I explain myself
4.Weekly uses the idisicivness argument for slap when the same applies to the hunter almost as much

And repeat
 
Nope, that thread already happened and y'all argued like 6 pages only to say "Stomp!" at the end
Not really what I did but I’m trying to move on from that I acted like an asshole there. I was simply saying how I could switch the person in my hypothetical from Someone like the hunter to Travis and it would still work
 
Slap can't kill Hunter. Period.
I already explained how transmutation Hax would be able to not kill him, but Incap him which is still a wincon. Weekly said hunters revival would still work while incapped, and when I asked for scans he completley changed the subject to “slap wouldnt be able to decide what glove to use”. And I’ve addressed that too
 
He can it's just a matter of doing so or in capping before the hunter kills him
No arkan is right, the hunter can’t be killed by slap. He can be incapped though. I also just want to point out that between elude for if slap gets caught in a close combat situation, el gato to heal to full and reflect attacks. And the fact that hunter wouldnt be able to pick the one specific weapon to kill slap (bloodletter, which he dosent know works against slap). The hunters gonna have a hell of a time putting down slap. Especially since slap can survive without any skin or organs (smiler glove). So hunter would have to destroy his bones which I don’t think he can reliably do in time before slap equips something to counter it/heal
 
Weekly said hunters revival would still work while incapped, and when I asked for scans he completley changed the subject to
Interesting

Theres not too much slap can do here. The only transmutation thigs he has are megarock and flex. Flex won't work or he'll just get brutally molested in CQC so the only thing is megarock in which he'll just sit there.
 
Interesting

Theres not too much slap can do here. The only transmutation thigs he has are megarock and flex. Flex won't work or he'll just get brutally molested in CQC so the only thing is megarock in which he'll just sit there.
Considering how potent slaps regen is hunters gonna need at least maybe 10 seconds to put him down. Plenty of time for slap to use the menu to equip elude or something and skedadle. If the hunter is moving around too much in close combat he can just use something like stun or gods hand or stop to take care of him. And before anyone says no character slap shoukd at least have the common sense to know how to imoblize an opponent when moving. That’s one of the main factors in a battle, and slap has fought plenty of those.
 
No arkan is right, the hunter can’t be killed by slap.
Power null was acknowledged as a real win condition in the very beginning of the thread 💔

Also didn't you mention how certain gloves could bypass time being rewinded?
He can be incapped though. I also just want to point out that between elude for if slap gets caught in a close combat situation, el gato to heal to full and reflect attacks. And the fact that hunter wouldnt be able to pick the one specific weapon to kill slap (bloodletter, which he dosent know works against slap). The hunters gonna have a hell of a time putting down slap. Especially since slap can survive without any skin or organs (smiler glove). So hunter would have to destroy his bones which I don’t think he can reliably do in time before slap equips something to counter it/heal
So what happens when the hunter eventually does use bloodletter
 
Unless you can prove that hunter can kill slap in less then 2-3 seconds (time it would take for slaps to switch gloves). And a reminder to do this he would have to completley deskin slaps entire body, slap can survive with nothing but bones (or just straight up blown off limbs (beat down glove) on everything but except thier torso so unless you can prove he can kill slap that efficiently with slap fighting back and only needing a couple seconds to Completely disable hunter in close combat, then I don’t think that’s gonna cut it
 
Power null was acknowledged as a real win condition in the very beginning of the thread 💔

Also didn't you mention how certain gloves could bypass time being rewinded?

So what happens when the hunter eventually does use bloodletter
I’d like to think that slap would use his very obvious one shot gloves (considering he would side them since he assumes the hunter no sells all his non one shots, like people in slaps verse). Before hunter uses bloodletter. Would also likely notice/just use custom really early in the fight because it being a paid glove makes it show up at the top of the menu so he’s more likely to use it first because it’s basically just megarock.And yes, if you rewind time near a recently transmutated person in slap battles they stay transmutated, so it likely is time manipulation negation
 
Yeah stamina would also be an issue for Hunter. Slap can survive as a skeletonized right arm and a torso and can regenerate from that.
 
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Either way I don’t think bloodletter would work here as I believe for reasons above slap would use his wincon before the hunter. I assume hunter would use something like a really strong sword or smth first
 
And while I do think he would lead with transmutation Hax, I also think killstreak stealing hunters soul to incap him still works. Resisting soul destruction and resisting soul stealing (what slap does). Are 2 different things. Another thing slap could do to keep the hunter from dodging and avoiding attacks the hunter is just brew up a couple alchemist potions and throw them at the hunter to use illusion and para hax
 
And you cannot advocate for the hunters fighting style of ranged/meele because you’ve shown nothing of him outside player control. Most of the stuff yiu just said had already been addressed. Slap would likely use his Duraneg glove cause he would assume that hunter no sells him regular gloves like every one else in his verse


Unlike the Player, the Hunter has actual cutscene fights to base his general fighting style off of

Dopesnt help your argument that all melee weapons are 'right hand weapons' and all ranged weapons are 'left hand weapons' and literally every hunter that exists dual wields a melee and a ranged weapon
 
And besides, even if we want to go your route and assume that he would be indesicive on gloves (already proved incorrect). He has several healing gloves that would allow him to just trial and error over and over again. I also notice how you switched your argument from hunter can come back to anything slap can do to slap wouldnt be able to decide what to do. Stop backtracking
I mean, its both. 99% of what the player has wouldnt be a threat to The Hunter, and given his lack of a concrete fighting style theres no saying what the Player would lead with.
 
Unless you can prove that hunter can kill slap in less then 2-3 seconds (time it would take for slaps to switch gloves). And a reminder to do this he would have to completley deskin slaps entire body, slap can survive with nothing but bones (or just straight up blown off limbs (beat down glove) on everything but except thier torso so unless you can prove he can kill slap that efficiently with slap fighting back and only needing a couple seconds to Completely disable hunter in close combat, then I don’t think that’s gonna cut it
The hunter has immortality negation that can permakill beings that can come back from nothing but their disembodied consciousness
 
Yeah stamina would also be an issue for Hunter. Slap can survive as a skeletonized right arm and a torso and can regenerate from that.
See my previous response. Hell even Darkbeast Paarl has survivability better than that, it was ableto survive as nothing but a pair of finger bones
 
And while I do think he would lead with transmutation Hax, I also think killstreak stealing hunters soul to incap him still works. Resisting soul destruction and resisting soul stealing (what slap does). Are 2 different things. Another thing slap could do to keep the hunter from dodging and avoiding attacks the hunter is just brew up a couple alchemist potions and throw them at the hunter to use illusion and para hax
Either way I don’t think bloodletter would work here as I believe for reasons above slap would use his wincon before the hunter. I assume hunter would use something like a really strong sword or smth first
I’d like to think that slap would use his very obvious one shot gloves (considering he would side them since he assumes the hunter no sells all his non one shots, like people in slaps verse). Before hunter uses bloodletter. Would also likely notice/just use custom really early in the fight because it being a paid glove makes it show up at the top of the menu so he’s more likely to use it first because it’s basically just megarock.And yes, if you rewind time near a recently transmutated person in slap battles they stay transmutated, so it likely is time manipulation negation
Show slap using any of these things in a cutscene. If you cannot, your argument is null.
 
Show slap using any of these things in a cutscene.
The game hardly has any combat esque cutscenes but don't ******* do that.
"If you can't show me combat outside of gameplay, it doesn't count!" You see how goofy that sounds?
Don't do that shit. If you're gonna do that, you won't go near surviving a debate with John EBG which has no cutscenes whatsoever. Don't ******* do that.
 
Plus, Minecraft is even indexed and has matches. You don't see that having cutscenes now do you? I didn't think so.
Don't do that shit no more.
 
He does yes, low-godly
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Does it stop people from healing back up after death or does the regen neg work via "haha I hit you, you can't regen anymore"
Because mind you, if it's the latter, El Gato takes care of that by a mile.
 
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