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Vegito fights himself: Vegito (DBS Manga) vs. Vegito (Toei)

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Battle takes place in the Hyberbolic Time Chamber, speed is equalized, and they start 10 meters apart. Both scales to 3 universes in base and have access to their transformations.


Vegito (DBS Manga): 0



Vegito (Toei): 0


Xeno Vegito (Incon): 0
 
  • DBS Base Vegito is scaled above SSB Goku and Vegeta.
  • Post-Training SSB Vegeta defeated SSR Black. Meaning Vegeta grew >160,000x stronger
  • Post-Zenkai SS Black defeated SSB Vegeta previously.
  • FPSS2 Trunks is inferior to Base Black and matched SS3 Goku. Meaning Base Black is 400x Base Trunks/Goku
  • SS Vegeta, after training under gravity, was able to match SS Black. Meaning Base Vegeta scales above FPSS2 Trunks/SS3 Goku, or >400x stronger.
  • SSB Goku/Vegeta, in the U6 arc, are stronger than they were in RoF and their SSB forms are 50x their SSG forms which are baseline 3 2-C
400 x 160,000 = 64,000,000 meaning DBS Base Vegito would be at least 64,000,000x 3 2-C.
  • Toei's 3 2-C scaling starts with Buuhan. Buuhan is baseline.
  • Angry Buuhan made Base Vegito struggle and caused him to turn Super Saiyan, with him stating he had to exert effort to stop him from destroying the macrocosm.
  • Since Base Vegito made Buuhan struggle before he rage boosted, he would be baseline 3 2-C which means Super Vegito is at least 50x baseline.
  • Say I give Base Vegito scaling above VS Kid Buu SS3 Goku and I use the scan that says Goku was at 1/100th his power when he took on a copy of Ultimate Gohan in base.
  • This would make Base Goku 50x stronger than Buuhan Post-Vegito. SS3 is 400x that, so 20,000x 3 2-C. Which Base Vegito scales above.
  • Finally stacking Super Vegito on top, 50x, would make him 1,000,000x 3 2-C.
What if Toei Vegito is given Super Saiyan 3? He'd reach 8,000,000x which is only 1/8th of Base DBS Vegito.

In short. Even if you give Toei Vegito his maximum possible scaling and grant him Super Saiyan 3 he would still only reach 1/8th of the power of Base DBS Vegito. Who can one shot him. And SS3 would wear Toei Vegito down.

So given the 8x gap between Toei SS3 Vegito and DBS Base Vegito this is a massive stomp. I'll vote for DBS Vegito regardless but this probably can't be added.
 
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Both could defuse after 5 minutes

Yeah, it seems Mangito scale higher than toegito, is likely mangito will keep up with Toegito just to extend the fight, maybe mangito defused before he can win?
 
Oliver_de_jesus said:
Both could defuse after 5 minutes

Yeah, it seems Mangito scale higher than toegito, is likely mangito will keep up with Toegito just to extend the fight, maybe mangito defused before he can win?
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...No. What? Why would Manga Vegito defuse first?

Not only is manga Vegito many years more experienced due to Goku and Vegeta. He also can stomp the other Vegito in just base form. He doesn't even need to use anything beyond that. And the entire reason either Vegito messed around with Buu was to lure him into absorbing him. In the DBS Manga, Base Vegito's first move against Zamasu was firing a Kamehameha that blew up half his body. The only reason Vegito then went Blue was to try and overwhelm Zamasu's immortality, he was intent on finishing it as fast as possible

The only reason they defused was because Vegito used Super Saiyan Blue, a form that is depicted as extremely unstable in the manga with how much energy it drains. And Vegito didn't know Complete Blue, which Goku only attempts after the fusion.

So no, Manga Vegito isn't defusing first. That'd be completely ridiculous. He's more experienced, only needs his base form to stomp and he has zero interest in screwing around. BASE Manga Vegito is 8x stronger than SUPER SAIYAN 3 Anime Vegito. If we don't even give him SS3 and just SS1 that would put Base Manga Vegito at 64x stronger and against Base Anime Vegito he would be 3,200x stronger.

There is no dimension where Manga Vegito loses this.
 
Manga Vegito would only defuse first if the fight lasted long enough for whatever reason because Toei Vegito doesn't have the Potara Time Limit because Super made that up specifically for the Merged Zamasu fight.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Manga Vegito would only defuse first if the fight lasted long enough for whatever reason because Toei Vegito doesn't have the Potara Time Limit because Super made that up specifically for the Merged Zamasu fight.
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The manga has Goku note Gotenks was fused inside of Buu so he concludes they could have refused inside of Buu. I doubt the anime lacks that scene. So that inherently challenges the 'Buu gas' thing in the first place. The idea of Potara having a limited timer stems from that.

Regardless an hour is more than enough time for a guy as strong as DBS Vegito to win. Realistically he would give Toei Vegito like 5 minutes to test him out, say it was fun then one shot him.
 
Mbpoops said:
Didnt anime vegito last 10m tho? Manga lasted 45
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While you have the wrong Vegito, you do raise a good point. I just checked and after Vegito Blue defuses it is stated Zamasu has 20 minutes left. So that does imply that even with full power Super Saiyan Blue, Manga Vegito would last something like 20-40 minutes.

So even if we factored in Manga Vegito defusing, it still took him a lot of time to defuse using a form as unstable as Blue. There realistically isn't a way for him to defuse before beating Toei Vegito.
 
Maybe throwing in GT Goku would work? How crazy is his scaling chain?
 
MrKerf said:
Maybe throwing in GT Goku would work? How crazy is his scaling chain?
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GT Goku is nowhere near as strong as Manga Vegito in the Baby Saga. By the end of the Baby Saga he's scaled to >5,000x (Buu) SS3 Goku who would be somewhere around 200x 2-C. So Base GT Goku by the Baby Saga is around 1,000,000x 2-C. Or 1/64th of Base Vegito.

The blog is a little hard to parse but his Super 17 key seems to be scaled up 8x stronger or 8,000,000x 2-C. Shadow Dragons Goku is then 10x stronger but...that's via SFPSS4 which gets a 10x boost to its multiplier, at a baseline he doesn't grow any stronger.

So Base GT Goku, as far as I can tell, never comes close to Base Vegito in power. Which means Base, SS1, SS2 and SS3 would all have Vegito stomping him.

The big difference is that Super Saiyan 4 is accepted as 10.24 million times, superior to Blue's 8 million times multiplier. Full Power SS4 is then accepted as 20.48 million times. And Super FPSS4 is accepted as 200.48 million times.

The gap between Blue and SFPSS4 is 25x.
The gap between Base Vegito and Base GT Goku (Shadow Dragons) is 8x.
So SFPSS4 Goku would be over 3x stronger than SSB Vegito.

If you go back to Super 17 SS4 Goku, he would be 10x weaker, reversing the gap so SSB Vegito is 3x stronger.

I would argue SFPSS4 Goku would win, given SS4 is much more stable and he has no timer restriction. So his Super 17 key would be fairer. Even then 3x is a pretty huge gap given Vegito Blue seemed to be able to fight for like 20-30 minutes before defusing. And his Baby key isn't even worth considering, Vegito Blue one shots every form there.

tl;dr
  • Goku (Baby) is one shot in every form by Vegito Blue
  • Goku (S17) would be 3x weaker but would have no timer and better stamina giving him a viable wincon
  • Goku (SDs) would be 3x stronger along with no timer and better stamina, putting Vegito Blue at a serious disadvantage.
 
CryoTheMayo said:
GT Goku is nowhere near as strong as Manga Vegito in the Baby Saga. By the end of the Baby Saga he's scaled to >5,000x (Buu) SS3 Goku who would be somewhere around 200x 2-C. So Base GT Goku by the Baby Saga is around 1,000,000x 2-C. Or 1/64th of Base Vegito.

The blog is a little hard to parse but his Super 17 key seems to be scaled up 8x stronger or 8,000,000x 2-C. Shadow Dragons Goku is then 10x stronger but...that's via SFPSS4 which gets a 10x boost to its multiplier, at a baseline he doesn't grow any stronger.

So Base GT Goku, as far as I can tell, never comes close to Base Vegito in power. Which means Base, SS1, SS2 and SS3 would all have Vegito stomping him.

The big difference is that Super Saiyan 4 is accepted as 10.24 million times, superior to Blue's 8 million times multiplier. Full Power SS4 is then accepted as 20.48 million times. And Super FPSS4 is accepted as 200.48 million times.

The gap between Blue and SFPSS4 is 25x.
The gap between Base Vegito and Base GT Goku (Shadow Dragons) is 8x.
So SFPSS4 Goku would be over 3x stronger than SSB Vegito.

If you go back to Super 17 SS4 Goku, he would be 10x weaker, reversing the gap so SSB Vegito is 3x stronger.

I would argue SFPSS4 Goku would win, given SS4 is much more stable and he has no timer restriction. So his Super 17 key would be fairer. Even then 3x is a pretty huge gap given Vegito Blue seemed to be able to fight for like 20-30 minutes before defusing. And his Baby key isn't even worth considering, Vegito Blue one shots every form there.

tl;dr
  • Goku (Baby) is one shot in every form by Vegito Blue
  • Goku (S17) would be 3x weaker but would have no timer and better stamina giving him a viable wincon
  • Goku (SDs) would be 3x stronger along with no timer and better stamina, putting Vegito Blue at a serious disadvantage.
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I feel I should clarify I omitted the scan that would make Goku 100x stronger by the end of the Buu Saga, which would put Baby Saga Goku at like 100,000,000x 2-C in his base form, making him superior to Vegito in every form.

The reason I neglected that is because it is not currently accepted on the Toei profiles so I don't believe it's usable in this matchup. I brought it up earlier to demonstrate how Toei Vegito has no chance of winning this fight.

So if you use that scan as an argument you can argue Baby Saga Goku beats Black Saga Vegito. It just isn't accepted on profiles AFAIK.
 
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