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A Hunters grasp| The Hunter (Bloodborne) vs The Player (Slap battles) | [10-2-0] (Concluded)

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Thunderman101 said:
the 250 glove argument dosent hold up because hes not going to use something like default glove against someone he belives to equal to him. Regurgitating the same points over and over wont make you more correct
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He has no prior knowledge of the Hunter so why would he go into this believing the Hunter is equal to him
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Just because thats an optimal thing for a person playing the game to use does not mean its something that the character would be guaranteed to use on their own with zero player influence. Thats like arguing that the Hunter is going to be exclusively using the strongest meta builds right off the bat, like a minmaxed Lost Whirligig Saw with perfect scaling blood gems

Literally any of his weapons can kill Slap. He doesnt need a specific ability or weapon to kill him, any of his weapons can.
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you need to prove any of his weapons can kill slap, burden of proof remember. Elude glove counters all of hunters physcial weapons and slaps mid regen means hunter has to skin him alive and destroy his bones before slap needs 2 seconds max to teleport away. As my clipm was showed earlier (i cna link if you want), one shot gloves in the slap STORY, NOT GAMEPLAY, have been potrayed as especially powefull. And im saying he would start with it because do you think the person with gifted intelegence and combat would not use his strongest weapon off the bat especially since everyone in his verse no sells all the gloves that arent one shots???
 
DaReaperMan said:

Try. Again.
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ok i dont understand whats happening here but ill take your word for it. No need to act all agressive. This still dosent change my point that the hunter isint the one rewinding time, the moon presence is and you need to prove the moon presence would rewind time for an incapped hunter, not a dead one WITHOUT THE HUNTER INITIATING IT, HE CANT BECAUSE OF POWERNULL
 
Thunderman101 said:
ok i dont understand whats happening here but ill take your word for it. No need to act all agressive. This still dosent change my point that the hunter isint the one rewinding time, the moon presence is and you need to prove the moon presence would rewind time for an incapped hunter, not a dead one WITHOUT THE HUNTER INITIATING IT, HE CANT BECAUSE OF POWERNULL
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Powernull that ALSO does not last forever.

Try. Again.
 
Thunderman101 said:
What do you mean not lasts forever, as long as the hunter is a statue it will remain Active. in one of the slap battles banners the player was able to collect enough gold statues to build a throne of them so im pretty sure the flexing lasts for a long time. Theres also megarock that lasts for 10 hours minimum based on this badge
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10 hours is not sufficient. I'd like proof these badges are canon or that in-game the statue lasts forever.
Thunderman101 said:
no need to say try again every time, youre coming off as a dick (again)
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Spamming me also is an irritant. Forgive me for referencing peak while arguing against dogshit slop.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Powernull that ALSO does not last forever.

Try. Again.
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DaReaperMan said:
10 hours is not sufficient. I'd like proof these badges are canon or that in-game the statue lasts forever.

Spamming me also is an irritant. Forgive me for referencing peak while arguing against dogshit slop.
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Calling a game you dont like arguing against slop and insulting in because you dont like me is certantly something. We are comparing the powerscaling, stop whining. And I am going to assume the hunter will be stuck as a statue as long as he is alive. As for the statues, while they do disapear after they get hit, thats easily game mechancis as the banners are direct refrences to the gloves capabilites, and the ones in the flex banners dont disapear. The gloves methods are canon because the gloves are mentioned in several story modes in slap battles, and their obtainments are thus as well
 
really funny howyoure asking for proof when i have consistently asked for proof the moon presence would interfered if the hunter was incapped. And instead of providing said proof you dodged the question and shifted your argument untl you couldnt anymore and just said its probably there but i dont feel like getting it?? if you are going to act like an asshole and whine about debating someone not willing to give up in a debate then idk what to tell you this is a powerscaling webiste
 
Thunderman101 said:
Calling a game you dont like arguing against slop and insulting in because you dont like me is certantly something. We are comparing the powerscaling, stop whining. And I am going to assume the hunter will be stuck as a statue as long as he is alive.
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I was not the one whining about references, was I? I don't even dislike ya, you're white noise. I know you exist but you're not exactly being dumb, annoying, or malicious enough to be on my shitlist
Thunderman101 said:
As for the statues, while they do disapear after they get hit, thats easily game mechancis as the banners are direct refrences to the gloves capabilites, and the ones in the flex banners dont disapear. The gloves methods are canon because the gloves are mentioned in several story modes in slap battles, and their obtainments are thus as well
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Is this literally just more reason that profile should be deleted? It's not doing the bare minimum it should do because where is this on the profile?
 
DaReaperMan said:
I was not the one whining about references, was I? I don't even dislike ya, you're white noise. I know you exist but you're not exactly being dumb, annoying, or malicious enough to be on my shitlist

Is this literally just more reason that profile should be deleted? It's not doing the bare minimum it should do because where is this on the profile?
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ill talk to arkan about revamping the profile, Ive been wanting to for a while but he and delusion keep putting the player in matchups and thats not really mine to control so I cant do that. But either way focus on the debate
 
I was upset about refrences because for days i asked weekly proof the hunter could come back from being incapped. And when he finally replied he shifted his argument to "ok maybe slap has a wincon but no proof hed use it even though its one of his strongest weapons". Even a caveman would pick big axe over small axe. Can you see how that gets frustrating. I also admit this is partially on me, i lose my temper very easily and thats something i need to work on
 
still waiting on those scans weekly
The White Rabbit from Alice in Wonderland, a digital painting by Luz Tapia
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Reaper posted them already
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he posted scans of the hunter coming back from death, not incapped, i have asked for incap scans repetably, and the only thing he said about incap was he thinks something in the game is like that but he dosent feel like collecting the scans
 
DaReaperMan said:
;

As for incapped, when you're kidnapped by I think the snatchers, you can just say **** it and go to the Hunter's Dream.

I don't feel like setting up my PlayStation **** you--
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just trying to show proof not trying to ping you reaper, please just ignore this if it bothers you
 
AthelChan said:
Jesus Christ 9 pages
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Yeah I know, I'm gonna write a post summarize my argument and addressing counter arguments cause I don't want to keep going back and forth. I reccomend anyone advocating for the hunter to do the same


"Prove that the statues wouldn't be undone before 12 hours despite their being no indication of them turning back"

You're asking me to prove a negative


If reaper or weekly replies to this I won't reply back until my summarization post is done
DaReaperMan said:
10 hours is not sufficient. I'd like proof these badges are canon or that in-game the statue lasts forever.
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WeeklyBattles said:
Thats ggoing to just lead to 9 more pages of Thunder saying the same points.

Also you didnt include my vote for Hunter
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At least I'm consistent, you've been shifting your argument, dodging points and ignoring scans
I'm saying the same thing because you've been ignoring it the same way every time (o okay, now we're applying till summarizing points post for real now
 
Thunderman101 said:
At least I'm consistent, you've been shifting your argument, dodging points and ignoring scans
I'm saying the same thing because you've been ignoring it the same way every time (o okay, now we're applying till summarizing points post for real now
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I literally have not changed my argument since page 1 of this thread. Get over yourself.
 
Ngl delulu don't make more John slap matches it'll always end up like this, Steve thread will be like this too. Arkan and Thunderman should make a blog for the abilities or generally a tabber for it. Their matches will always look like this
 
AthelChan said:
Ngl delulu don't make more John slap matches it'll always end up like this, Steve thread will be like this too. Arkan and Thunderman should make a blog for the abilities or generally a tabber for it. Their matches will always look like this
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unfort but this looks like the case

(I was gonna put him up against awakened shigaraki next)
 
AthelChan said:
Ngl delulu don't make more John slap matches it'll always end up like this, Steve thread will be like this too. Arkan and Thunderman should make a blog for the abilities or generally a tabber for it. Their matches will always look like this
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I mean its not even the abilities that are the problem, its the general issue of having a character with hundreds of potential moves but no actual fighting style or characterization. Everything the Player does is decided by the person controlling them, they have no clear approach to combat, so arguing that they would go with any one strategy in a vacuum with no human input is basically impossible. Even in the trailer that Thunder posted earlier the Player just uses random weapons. Versus threads assume a combatant fights 'in character' but that becomes increasingly difficult when the combatant has no character to begin with.

Like even a smaller arsenal would make this argument significantly easier, but its the fact that he has 250+ weapons, each of which does one specific thing.

This is in contrast to characters like The Hunter, who have a sizeable arsenal but their weapons all to basically the same thing in a versus sense.
 
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WeeklyBattles said:
I literally have not changed my argument since page 1 of this thread. Get over yourself.
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Yes you have? First it was "slap has no counter to the hunter". Then when I brought somethingn up that posed a threat you started shifting to "no proof hed use it". And ignored all my requests for scans. Gonna start working on that summary post now but I hope you realize what you have it not a consistent argument
 
Due to irl stuff I'll be away from the wiki for a couple hours and can't write my summary post yet. It'll be up today so anyone who has yet to vote I ask you to wait till my post is up before finalizing thoughts, though you are not obliged to. I understand the info for this thread has been messy, but all of John's slaps wincons are being disregarded as "no character", and I seek to correct that cause its honesty getting frsutetwted to see John slap constantly lose to something that has a lack to do with the fight and more so the format of Roblox games, and In this case you can even debate it for being incorrect.
 
Kinda hard to tell who wins here, but I'm leaning more towards the Hunter. First off, he takes both AP with being around 14 kilotons, which is double the Player's. He also wholly outclass in lifting strength. Beyond that though, the Hunter's immortality greatly exceeds nearly any power of the Player, and is also far more skilled than them. At most they die once or twice, but more than likely once they get in melee range he's able to just take him out.
 
ill have the post up in an hour or 2. I already adressed this in the thread but I'll just add this to the main post
Chritin said:
Kinda hard to tell who wins here, but I'm leaning more towards the Hunter. First off, he takes both AP with being around 14 kilotons, which is double the Player's. He also wholly outclass in lifting strength. Beyond that though, the Hunter's immortality greatly exceeds nearly any power of the Player, and is also far more skilled than them. At most they die once or twice, but more than likely once they get in melee range he's able to just take him out.
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Why I think john slap wins



Apologies for my lack of scans, I'm on a phone and don't feel like switching tabs constantly. If you have questions about a lack of a source I will be happy to provide them



1.How can slap counter the moon presence revival?



Pretty simple, something like the flex or megarock will get the job done. They're transmutation that doesn't technically kill the user, as well as power nulling them so hunter can't force himself to revive. The player being killed and their body dissapearing after transmutatingg in slaps verse can be equated
to game mechanics, as not only do the banners for flex and megarock directly contradict it (the litterql obtainment for megarock is to stay as a rock for 10 hours, and the banner shows a transmutated person. As for flex, the banner shows a golden throne made of flexed people which wouldn't be possible if the bodies dissapeared instantly). The hunter would not be able to force himself to revive due to powernull, and while he does resist transmuation, he cannot resist the actual effect, he can slow and even prevent himself from turning into it sure (which wouldn't be able to do cause of powernull), but he can't actually stop himself from being partially transmutated, and only stops himself from being fully due to actively fighting ng against it.

Another thing I want to point out is that it's the moon presence that's rewinding time not slap and all the support is for Hunter have tried to that the moon peasants can revive Hunter while he's incapacitated and not just when he's dead. I've repeatedly asked for scans of this and just get annoyed when my topic deflected back at me, which I find to be really upsetting. One of the supporters said and it's probably there, but I don't feel like booting up to get the scans so you just going to have to trust me which for obvious reasons I feel like that's not valid.



2.But slap has no combat style

Yes, they actually do, it's just difficult to decipher. Let's go over this peice by price

1.Slaps combat experience

Slap is a warrior to say the least. While nowhere as skilled as the hunter , they've fought master swordsman (swordighters glove obtainment), entities that have existed since the stone age (the eternal bob), beings with knowledge of timeless beings (dodecahedron Dave). And etc

Now weekly has tried to argue that because it's not cutscenes based, it doesn't count, so he's basically saying that if the story based gameplay doesn't have cutscenes it won't count. I don't think I have to explain how many verses would be kicked off if we did that.

The funny thing is, slap actually does have a combat style, in the official slap battles trailer, the player can be seen doing what other players do in game mostly, jumping, flicking and trying to slap their opponent. This is an official trailer, (timestamp is 0:17) and if the other side says it doesn't count, I want to point out that dareaper man in a previous thread tried to argue the same problems with slap don't apply to someone like Steve because at least they have trailers, sooo.

Another thing they've argued is slap cant pick whatever he would in his arsenal, because there are 250 options. However, considering how battle experienced slap is, we need to assume he at least has common sense. You see, theain point of slpa battles is to knock people into the void, on top of this, the value we scale slap to us no selled by everyone in his verse. Most Gloves are meant to kill by knocking people off the map or are just straight up useless, so during a fight in New york city (SBA), I don't see why slap would pick the knock back glove instead of the you die glove (hyperbole). And to back this up:

1:there is an entire game mode to seperate one shots from non one shots, so the player would have a general idea of his most potent gloves, which includes the flex.
2.slap would likely use the one shots as he considers the hunter to be equal to him is what would most likely happen. There are several game modes and slap battles. Will you 1b1 someone and they're shown to be equal to you several times like the slap tournament and the default only arena. So during another one again was a seemingly normal player. I don't see why slap would not just do something like use his one shots
3. In the slap battles menu there are there's a priority in which gloves decide to go first and which ones decide to go last. So there's paid gloves. Then it makes a bad gloves and regular gloves. One of the gloves that slap can use to transmutate is called custom which is basically mega Rock but you can choose what the rock looks liek. It's one of the first ones that'll pop up so he's going to be immediately alluded to it

Speaking of the menu...

3.hunter has no consistent way to put down slap

So another thing I want to bring up is that the hunter has no realistic way to put down the slap efficiently with a slap eventually uses one of his one shots for the reason stated above.

Stop has mid-wegen and can survive like limbs. Blown off pretty much everything except his torso and can survive those without skin (see beatdown and smiler glove). Well the hunter does have mid regen addiction. I mean low mid. It's not necessarily going to be able to disable slap due to his regeneration being much more potent. While the hunter is more skilled in close combat, he would actively need to skin slap alive in order to effectively put him down for good is going to take at least a couple seconds to do that and by the time the hunter is starting to get his groove on so I can just use something like elude to instantly teleport out of there which takes 2 to 3 seconds to maximum in order to use. So no the hunter cannot just get slapped in a close combat corner and be done with it. Slap also has gloves that can effectively instantly heal in the full HP towards attack reflect (see the elgato glove). And while there is something that could put down slap for good in the hunter's inventory like his regeneration negation (which el gato wouldn't be affected by and is only low mid), she wouldn't necessarily be able to use them first. And like I said, even if you argue he use them first by then, I'm pretty sure slap will be able to get his one shots out first. the only thing that can immediately really affect the slap majorly is blood letter and if slab gets into close combat with Hunter starts to get hurt. Realize is this guy can hurt him and teleports away with a elude before the hunter can get rid of him and he's not going to get close until absolutely necessary without using something like a stun like time stop or stun glove because he knows that he can hurt him and most people can't usually hurt him so I'm pretty sure that would spook him off a little. So yeah, the blood lighter does have madness manipulations but it's in a very short range so I don't really think that the hunter would be able to get that often time before slap can do his thing. All he needs is like time stop then Flex glove or just camp on his invulnerable mega Rock until the hunter touches it and gets transmutated.
DaReaperMan said:
As for incapped, when you're kidnapped by I think the snatchers, you can just say **** it and go to the Hunter's Dream.

I don't feel like setting up my PlayStation **** you--
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(Proof that they said the scans are probably there but just trust me bro).

They've also asked me to prove that the transmutation has last forever. This is a really weird argument because well first of all there was enough transmutation for them to make a throne. So obviously it's going to last for a very long time. There's absolutely no indication that they would turn back. And asking me to prove that the transmutation doesn't eventually wear off when it shows no signs of doing so is like asking me to prove unicorns dont exist.

I hope I've addressed everything on why I think John slap wins. If you have any questions then you can just ask me and I'll provide an explanation.
 
@Friedoil11 @ShionAH @Kellex @DaReaperMan @WeeklyBattles @AthelChan
@Delusionaltx2 @Chritin
I hope I've explained myself better, if you have any questions or rebuttals feel free to ask me and I'll respond. I know this thread has been very cluttered and I feel as if it has not allowed me to get a full comprehensive response out. Pinging the voters because I want to them to see my full side of the argument, if you don't like me pinging you please notify me
 

Instead of reading your desperate attempt to change votes in your favor, I'm gonna listen to this and continue to make Malygos.
 
Speech to text sorry..
DaReaperMan said:

Instead of reading your desperate attempt to change votes in your favor, I'm gonna listen to this and continue to make Malygos.
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I feel like disregarding my attempt to create a comprehensive argument on why I think slap wins as a desperate attempt to switch the votes is not only an ad hominem, but incredibly rude. If someone can give me scans of the moon presence itself forcefully reviving the hunter when he's incapped instead of dead without the hunter intitwtiing it I will gladly stop arguing that's all youd need to topple my argument
 
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