Shiro meets The Guardian of the Threshold!(Shallow Vernal vs Yog-Sothoth) [4 - 0 - 7]

[Hecky2222]

Friend of mine or @BoastJr told me how Possibly 1A Ac5 would interact with 1A, so why not?

“It is said that all stories must come to an end. That is the task of the phenomenon, the Epilogue: to bring closure to all things after they have reached their conclusion.After killing many worlds and many civilizations, the entity carried out this task aimlessly, without a second thought. But so much rampant destruction also gained the attention of an Outer Being, a witness to all the destruction she had brought upon the world. It was not Azathoth The Blind Idiot God who had awakened from his slumber No but a different Fool that has emerged from nowhere to end all madness.But as she gazed into the Abyss, the Abyss gazed back.”

Battle rules:

1. Both at their strongest: True Form of Shallow Vernal and Yog-Sothoth key of Yog Sothoth were used.
2) Fight starts 500 metres away(Does it matter?)
3) Speed equalized(L-M-A-O)

Votes:

I am simp so Shallow Vernal ones: @BoastJr, @Iiliminal, @Grabbing_dragon (Told "**** Ac5"), @SuperNova55555

"Yog-Sothoth is just him" ones:

They just go to a date(Incon) one: @Celestial_Pegasus , @Enter_Bluey , @Robo432343, @Mr._East_Statement, @Cipher72 , @Thunderman101 , @Qurbonboev

OST for this strange battle:

 

[Hecky2222]

Only r##tarded geniuses like me will say speed is equalized and match starts from distance against omnipresent character

 

[Mr._East_Statement]

Soooo… it is basically mid vs peak? Alright

Through unreasonable amount of glaze and most highball interpretation of the text solid 1-A scaling, I believe SV would not have any wincons because Yog is absolutely far cooler.



Jokes aside, does SV have anything to deal with Ac5 and PP Type 2? I can't see her plot manipulation actually doing anything here.

 

[Hecky2222]

Soooo… it is basically mid vs peak? Alright

Through unreasonable amount of glaze and most highball interpretation of the text solid 1-A scaling, I believe SV would not have any wincons because Yog is absolutely far cooler.



Jokes aside, does SV have anything to deal with Ac5 and PP Type 2? I can't see her plot manipulation actually doing anything here.

Calling SV Potential High 1A when opponent is literally rated as "Possibly 1A" is ironic

 

[BoastJr]

Soooo… it is basically mid vs peak? Alright

Bro thinks he did something with that image

 

[BoastJr]

Anyways does Yog have any way to interact with Narrative Based Structures or Has feats of resisting Plot Manip ?

 

[Hecky2222]

Anyways does Yog have any way to interact with Narrative Based Structures or Has feats of resisting Plot Manip ?

does it matter if he has Ac5 anyway

You could argue SV being blatant 1A and ignore Ac5(Since he is Possibly not Definitive 1A)

 

[Iiliminal]

yakub and his children approve of shiro, queen of agartha, winning FRA.

LARPGPT generate me LARProt

sure thing buddy!

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[Mr._East_Statement]

Calling SV Potential High 1A when opponent is literally rated as "Possibly 1A" is ironic

At least one's plot is not non-existent, or beyond non existent, honestly SV's page lacks NEP Type 2 Aspect 5: Plot

Also she isn't even "potentially H1-A" in her profile, hack non other than her is also remotely 1-A in-verse, pack it up bro, you should stop the cope for all intends and purposes

At least one person's Ac5 and PP Type 2 is not non-existent here

 

[BoastJr]

MFs glazing an incon at worst is practically Insane

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Acuas 5 mfs are truly sad they can't even date for the incon

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Seems incon to me, neither can interact with the other, Yog with NEP 2 and type 5 acausality, Shiro with plot based AE.

Though even if they could interact Shiro still has regen and immortality, but yea incon.

 

[Bobsican]

I don't think that the type 5 acausality is a factor per say as Yog lacks the feats or implications of being immune to plot hax out of it, given that type 5 acausality is nowadays limited to feats for the sake of NLFs, and in fact the reasoning sounds like it'd be useless against another 1-A as it doesn't appear to be unbound to the causality system on a 1-A level. If anything it'd be more worthwhile to focus on the NEP.

 

[BoastJr]

Yeah NEP is probablg more noteworthy here. I really don't think Acasuality means much but its taken out of context alot, especially outside Vsbw to justify incons

 

[Enter_Bluey]

On vsbw acaus 5 is considered default to be uninteractable by these things I think. Just as these aspects are now considered on equal level (Madoka had no acaus 5 to half the bs in top 4D and still was one of the highest spots lol. And same for acaus 5 in other spots..). But yeah it truly is an incon merchant.

If it's not on a 1A level though I meeean

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

NEP was redefined to be based on the things the characters lack, so just saying Yog lacks all aspects isnt enough thinking about it.

There has to be proof Yog specifically lacks plot, if not then Shiro can interact with hin.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

She could still plot erase him despite the nep yeah, and he doesn't have regen anyway. The main problem will always be acaus 5

 

[Deadlock-333]

Snip

This gave me cancer thanks

 

[BoastJr]

She could still plot erase him despite the nep yeah, and he doesn't have regen anyway. The main problem will always be acaus 5

Acasuality Type 5 did innumerable damage to the VS community

 

[Iiliminal]

This gave me cancer thanks

you’re welcome

 

[Hecky2222]

Ignoring Ac5 and Nep 2 which doesn't have Plot aspect obviously, I wonder would Plot Manipulation work on PP2?

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Ignoring Ac5 and Nep 2 which doesn't have Plot aspect obviously, I wonder would Plot Manipulation work on PP2?

Yes, to be honest, they no longer qualify as PP2

 

[Hecky2222]

Yes, to be honest, they no longer qualify as PP2

Then Ac5 carries match to incon at best(Since Shiro resists pretty much everything)

 

[Enter_Bluey]

PP2 needs proof of acting that way to such aspects inverse. So without that then the plot would work, same for nep

 

[Robo432343]

plot needs proof of working on acausal 5 beings
its just incon

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

acausal 5 beings

Truly an NLF ability above all others, without equal.

 

[Robo432343]

Truly an NLF ability above all others, without equal.

bruh plot manip is the NLF one

Regarding No-Limits Fallacies, users cannot simply be assumed to bring out any imaginable effect. They are assumed to be limited in both applications and scale to what they demonstrated or can be reasoned to be capable based of reliable statements. For instance, a character whose plot manipulation can affect concepts, would need to also demonstrate the ability to affect information for them to utilize both in a combat setting. See here for more information regarding this topic.

 

[BoastJr]

This matchup was lowkey cooked from the start

"Nah I win" vs "Nah **** your Hax"

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

bruh plot manip is the NLF one

That scan stops it from being an NLF, unlike AC5, which does not have anything like that. A character only needs a statement/proof showing they are beyond causality and unchangeable by it. Even if the verse does not include certain metaphysical aspects, characters with AC5 are automatically assumed to be unchangeable by them without proof.

 

[Hecky2222]

"Strongest NLF ability of today vs Strongest NLF ability in history" ahhhh debate

 

[BoastJr]

If Aca Type 5 gets disproved

reddit Madoka Verse will get nuked hehehehheheheheheheh

 

[BoastJr]

Cthulu Mythos exists in Isekai at Peace

Shiro solos

 

[Mr._East_Statement]

Cthulu Mythos exists in Isekai at Peace

Shiro solos

This matchup was doomed from the start and that's exactly why Hecky made it, literally all I did was to glaze Ac5 and gg, incon. It's actually "which one do you like more" matchup.

Pretty sure author sees VSBW threads related to his verse now, after all the verse is famous in this particular aspect.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Madness manipulation type 2&3 anyone?

 

[BoastJr]

this battle either results in Yog losing or forcing an Incon at best

CM may be the weakest 1-A verse on this site rn other then Yumiella

 

[Robo432343]

this battle either results in Yog losing or forcing an Incon at best

CM may be the weakest 1-A verse on this site rn other then Yumiella

arceus bro

 

[Hecky2222]

Klein vs Azathoth next so that Nova would cry about Ac5

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Arceus at least has hax tho still dk how its above the acaus 5 merchant winnower

 

[Hecky2222]

Arceus will be nuked soon ngl

 

[Cipher72]

Madness manipulation type 2&3 anyone

I was actually wondering the same thing. It appears that Shiro doesn't resist that but maybe her Regen will help ?
I will vote Incon but I can see Yog winning.