Ben 10: Alien X Note addition and Upgrade small addition

[Reiner04]

Well as we saw in this thread how difficult it becomes to create a match with Alien X given his complex nature (extremely difficult to predict his actions with Ben presence in Alien X mind space), i decided to put a note on his profile regarding it to ease out the matches related to him.

Note:

Standard Battle Assumptions (SBA) grant characters a "willingness to win" and cause them to perceive their opponent as an enemy. Consequently, all three of Alien X's personalities are considered functional for matches. However, due to the conflicting temperaments of Ben and Serena/Bellicus, their specific actions could be interpreted as unpredictable, ranging from Serena and Bellicus overriding Ben (as seen when they agreed to disable the Omnitrix’s function to stop Ben from detransforming) to do the needful or argue eternally with Ben after Ben tries to stop them from harming/killing anyone. To avoid speculative or unknown actions, Alien X is treated as having full internal cooperation. He should be piloted either by Ben in full control (e.g., Ben 10 Omniverse Universe vs. Tennyson) or as a Standard Celestial Sapien.

Immersion for Upgrade for being able to control the whole game world as well as being able to take gwen and himself inside the game world and being capable of bringing game characters outside into the real world.

Spoiler: Scans

 

[AyOgUyS]

Seems fine to me (watch this thread be done with in two hours max)

 

[Reiner04]

@GeneralSol16 @Hellformer @DaReaperMan @Lort15
Argue btw yourself or smth, idk.

 

[Chariot190]

Honestly just sounds like a weakness to me and should be treated as such.

 

[AyOgUyS]

watch ten more staff spawn

 

[DaReaperMan]

Yeah no shit, agree.

 

[Reiner04]

Honestly just sounds like a weakness to me and should be treated as such.

We don't really treat it that way due to SBA. Serena Bellicus, if anything, has been shown to ignore Ben even when they agree on something. But i don't think this should always be the case, since they might choose to not ignore him and keep arguing. others disagree because there is no canonical evidence for that. And then, the match turns into a complete mess of conflicting opinions. It’s much easier to reach a conclusion when it's just Ben or Serena Bellicus individually.

It will also allow for matches to be able to use Omniverse version of Alien X freely w/o SBA affecting the conclusion/characteristics of Alien X, or use Alien X as regular celestial sapien. Which i think is much better conclusion.

 

[Hellformer]

Should be extremely obvious, I agree

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

I agree

 

[GeneralSol16]

Yeah

 

[Lort15]

Seems fine to me from a glance would this apply for Albedo's profile as well?

 

[Reiner04]

Seems fine to me from a glance would this apply for Albedo's profile as well?

yeah, no. Albedo never got control of AX so its just serena bellicus

 

[ShionAH]

What would the "Standard Celestial Sapien." do we even see them fight normally without any additionaly context?

 

[Lort15]

What would the "Standard Celestial Sapien." do we even see them fight normally without any additionaly context?

The EE is the closest thing we have for Standard Celestialsapiens from Kevin and Servantis statement and Bellicus and Serena attemping to erase Paradox, if you limit them to some Tetramand Trial combat they would start to use some shit like Forcefield creation teleport spam body control flight etc so basically low hax when in tetramand trial combat

 

[Reiner04]

What would the "Standard Celestial Sapien." do we even see them fight normally without any additionaly context?

No average celestial sapien, including Alien X (outside of Ben's control), has ever shown to fight anyone, all their attacks are known via only statements which has been mentioned in notable attacks section of the page.

 

[ShionAH]

The EE is the closest thing we have for Standard Celestialsapiens from Kevin and Servantis statement

It's just a statement of their powers prolly not useable

and Bellicus and Serena attemping to erase Paradox

They alr knew Paradox and hated him

if you limit them to some Tetramand Trial combat they would start to use some shit like Forcefield creation teleport spam body control flight etc so basically low hax when in tetramand trial combat

I would like if this was mentioned on their profiles as their usual style of fighting using the feats.

 

[Lort15]

It's just a statement of their powers prolly not useable

"They would blink and we would be gone" "This grimmy child could one day wish everything out of existence" like we need to spesicfy the thing they would use in VS the closest thing we have is EE for standart celestials

They alr knew Paradox and hated him

It's not because of hate but a rule violation for Paradox

I would like if this was mentioned on their profiles as their usual style of fighting using the feats.

I suppose this would be for Galactic Gladiator however his profile got deleted long time ago that blud's standart moves are ass can't blame him too it was forced to be a Tetramand trial combat so he didn't use much of hax

 

[Reiner04]

Its what they will do when they notice the trio, as mentioned by Kevin. They hated paradox so that's what they decided to do and anyone is supposed to hate their enemy not love them, so whoever they see as enemy, they will go for what has been mentioned and implied across the series for them.

Tetramand trial combatt is not their usual fighting style. Its what they were bound to do, not a fight out of free will. If the competition is to race then the character gonna race, if the fight is about arm wrestling then they gonna arm wrestle, if it will be combatt then they gonna throw hands. Doesn't makes any of it their usual fighting style.

 

[Lort15]

Even Ben uses better hax when it comes to Galactic Gladiator

 

[ShionAH]

"They would blink and we would be gone"

How does this prove anything?? It's just proving they have EE on this level.

"This grimmy child could one day wish everything out of existence"

How does this prove anything?? It's just proving they have EE on this leve 2x

It's not because of hate but a rule violation for Paradox

Exactly my point.

I suppose this would be for Galactic Gladiator however his profile got deleted long time ago that blud's standart moves are ass can't blame him too it was forced to be a Tetramand trial combat so he didn't use much of hax

Oh I misunderstood what you meant by Tetramand Trial Combat. My bad on that.

I disagree and have been disagreeing with their starting move being EE, we have had many discussions including staff come in to talk about it. I don't think it was ever agreed by anyone that it's fair to say they'll always start with EE when all we have are statements that aren't about what they will do but what they CAN do if they actually wanted to do it.

Kevin says.

They Can Just Blink And We'd Be Gone​

He says they CAN EE them, that doesn't imply anything about thats being their starting move especially when EE is literally just from statements and they never done it iirc

 

[Lort15]

Also it might sound odd maybe but why are we limiting their moves to the only used ones? Like they used a different ability depending on the opponent and they don't have much screen time for fights i believe it's killing the creativity of a character like other celestials can use different abilities depending on the opponent's kit like if they know the EE or any other their ability is useless against them via precog why would they throw the same hax over them and not use any other hax that would affect them?

 

[Reiner04]

I disagree and have been disagreeing with their starting move being EE, we have had many discussions including staff come in to talk about it. I don't think it was ever agreed by anyone that it's fair to say they'll always start with EE when all we have are statements that aren't about what they will do but what they CAN do if they actually wanted to do it.

Alien X stomped Dr. Manhatten because of starting with EE. And god knows how many matches he has either won or stomped or incon'd because of EE. Only the Maxwell fight went with different thing as it assumed Ben to have full control which has been proven across several matches to be wrong since SBA allows all of them to have control.

 

[ShionAH]

Alien X stomped Dr. Manhatten because of starting with EE.

When I was not there I assume

And god knows how many matches he has either won or stomped or incon'd because of EE.

Which he definitely shouldn’t have?? We have been through this and it wasn’t JUST Maxwell I remember many matches where I had to say that AX didnt start with EE. That’s why he almost lost to Ultron for example.

 

[Lort15]

How does this prove anything?? It's just proving they have EE on this level.

How does this prove anything?? It's just proving they have EE on this leve 2x

Kevin said that to kid Ben who asked what would happen if they get their attention in forge of creation Kevin implys that they would just erase them if they get their attention or disturb them

Oh I misunderstood what you meant by Tetramand Trial Combat. My bad on that.

I disagree and have been disagreeing with their starting move being EE, we have had many discussions including staff come in to talk about it. I don't think it was ever agreed by anyone that it's fair to say they'll always start with EE when all we have are statements that aren't about what they will do but what they CAN do if they actually wanted to do it.

Why aren't we discussing an ability depending on the opponent and their kit for each vs like ı've seen in Maxwell VS Alien X that it was implied Serena wouldn't kill a kid but still needs to defeat them so they have chosen telekinesis for the vs

 

[ShionAH]

Kevin said that to kid Ben who asked what would happen if they get their attention in forge of creation Kevin implys that they would just erase them if they get their attention or disturb them

Or he means they have SUCH power to just erase them that getting their attention is WAY too risky

Why aren't we discussing an ability depending on the opponent and their kit for each vs like ı've seen in Maxwell VS Alien X that it was implied Serena wouldn't kill a kid but still needs to defeat them so they have chosen telekinesis for the vs

I am fine with this approach. Case by case BUT I don’t want yall to write “EE GG” to everyone, they would only really EE if they see it as an actual threat or a rule breaker like Paradox

 

[Reiner04]

When I was not there I assume

Which he definitely shouldn’t have?? We have been through this and it wasn’t JUST Maxwell I remember many matches where I had to say that AX didnt start with EE. That’s why he almost lost to Ultron for example.

You were there but dipped after stating your obvious "i disagree with AX starting EE".

 

[ShionAH]

You were there but dipped after stating your obvious "i disagree with AX starting EE".

I meant more so that I never actually argued against it in that thread.

Anyways I don’t have the energy or care to argue further for Ben 10, I disagree with saying EE GG in every thread. I am fine with them using EE when they see it similar to Paradox situation.

 

[Reiner04]

I meant more so that I never actually argued against it in that thread.

Anyways I don’t have the energy or care to argue further for Ben 10, I disagree with saying EE GG in every thread. I am fine with them using EE when they see it similar to Paradox situation.

Okay man. Idrc. This thread's topic is not even that to begin with.

 

[Lort15]

Or he means they have SUCH power to just erase them that getting their attention is WAY too risky

Wouldn't that be speculation other than going with the asked question

I am fine with this approach. Case by case BUT I don’t want yall to write “EE GG” to everyone, they would only really EE if they see it as an actual threat or a rule breaker like Paradox

Sure ig

 

[ShionAH]

Okay man. Idrc. This thread's topic is not even that to begin with.

Sure ig

You know what, you two are cool and Reiner especially is a GOAT and one of my oldest buddies on this fandom

I agree with OP, Alien X does start with EE I dont see why they would bother doing anything else when Ben’s not there

 

[Lort15]

You know what, you two are cool and Reiner especially is a GOAT I like

Thank you so much for this comment man

I agree with OP, Alien X does start with EE I dont see why they would bother doing anything else when Ben’s not there

I believe because of SBA making them willing to win

 

[Reiner04]

You know what, you two are cool and Reiner especially is a GOAT and one of my oldest buddies on this fandom

I agree with OP, Alien X does start with EE I dont see why they would bother doing anything else when Ben’s not there

 

[Lort15]

Imagine @DaReaperMan making a vs with restricting all of alien x personalities at once from the mind space

 

[Reiner04]

Imagine @DaReaperMan making a vs with restricting all of alien x personalities at once from the mind space

Dont give that skull face any ideas

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

OP looks fine to me.

 

[MrLuk2000]

Seems fine to me (watch this thread be done with in two hours max)

You're being way too generous. I'd say it'll last between 2 days to 2 months

 

[Lort15]

Bump?

 

[Lort15]

Please firestorm i need thisss my mom (@Reiner04) is kinda homeless

 

[Reiner04]

@Firestorm808 @Elizhaa @TWILIGHT-OP @DarkDragonMedeus

Your opinion on the proposal will be appreciated.

 

[Elizhaa]

The note look fine. Immersion also look fine.