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Jujutsu Kaisen: Choso upgrade CRT

Rogue_Forge

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Note: This does not affect any current/ongoing CRT's to my knowledge

This is actually really simple

He can trade blows with Kenjaku and make him dodge his attacks (which is on his profile)
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He also either damages or was going to damage Kenjaku with his piercing blood, forcing him to deflect it by rotating his head
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On top of this Choso also trained with everyone else during the Month of training, with most characters who were around Choso's level before training scaling getting up to High 7-C post-training

Also he would obviously scale (or downscale) from Supersonic+ with Flowing Red Scale Stack, from Kenjaku who he is outright able to block attacks from

Keep in mind however, while he can take hits from and damage Kenjaku he is still weaker than him, he wouldn't scale fully to his AP/Durability/Speed however he should have an "At Most" or "Possibly" instead

Counter Arguments I've heard

Argument 1: Piercing Blood is still considered a fast move by choso so if he was Supersonic+ why would he consider it a fast move if he was already Supersonic

Counter Argument 1: Based on this accepted calc, which does happen in the manga, Piercing blood gets up to Mach 4.5, considering that Kenjaku (Mach 4.6) is still faster than him when using Flowing Red Scale Stack it makes sense why Choso would consider it a very fast move

Argument 2: Choso isn't stated to get stronger like the others

Counter Argument 2: While not stated specifically that he gets stronger (until the month of training) In his fight against Naoya during the Perfect Preparation arc, Choso shows greater control over his Blood Manipulation techniques, he adapts to Naoya's speed and uses his surroundings, showing more strategic intelligence compared to the more straightforward combat style he used against Yuji in Shibuya.

Also he Obviously gets stronger during the month of training just like Higuruma and Kusakabe (Both went from Tier 8 to Tier 7)

Conclusion:

Choso should downscale from High 7-C physically, keeping the same base speed as before with Supersonic+ Speed using Flowing Red Scale Stack but probably with only a "Possibly" or "At Most" due to still being far weaker than Kenjaku

Agree:

Disagree:

Neutral:
 
There is a statement which puts Choso around Maki
I mean characters who can hang around SG you should add that.
Also PB should be higher
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
There is a statement which puts Choso around Maki
I mean characters who can hang around SG you should add that.
Also PB should be higher
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Do you know where this is stated?

Also I think if Choso gets a "Possibly" or "At most" for normal AP then he would get "At Least Large Town Level" for PB but if he is flat out High 7-C then he would get the "Higher with Piercing blood" rating
 
Rogue_Forge said:
Do you know where this is stated?

Also I think if Choso gets a "Possibly" or "At most" for normal AP then he would get "At Least Large Town Level" for PB but if he is flat out High 7-C then he would get the "Higher with Piercing blood" rating
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Chapter 252
 
Im unsure about scaling Choso to High 7-C physically, at least ap wise he never really damages any of the top tiers and gets curbstomped by Kenjaku's low grade curses, but High 7-C with PB and Supernova makes sense, since he would've pierced Kenjaku's head with it and Supernova forced Kenjaku to use Gravity CT, despite him not wanting to reveal it. At best only possibly
Durability wise High 7-C is fine, esp with blood armor
Speed wise its iffy, he doesnt manage to land a single hit on Kenjaku, i think Choso might need a Shinjuku key, there he can downscale as he keeps up with Yuji and stuff
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
Isn't he explicitly said to be Grade 1 in the Kenjaku fight?
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Yeah, but so is Kusakabe, Higuruma and even Hakari technically

Just being Grade 1 doesn't really have anything to do with your strength due to how much it varies, it's just what Jujutsu Society ranks someone as
 
If a casual Piercing Blood is upscaled to the likes of Mach 4.5 this would end up massively upscaling Kenjaku who is calced to be faster than the piercing blood.

You cannot have any scaling scaling Choso above piercing blood. So either downgrade Kenjaku below it, or don't scale Choso to Kenjaku.
 
KingTempest said:
If a casual Piercing Blood is upscaled to the likes of Mach 4.5 this would end up massively upscaling Kenjaku who is calced to be faster than the piercing blood.

You cannot have any scaling scaling Choso above piercing blood. So either downgrade Kenjaku below it, or don't scale Choso to Kenjaku.
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No because calcs just use baseline Supersonic for piercing bloods speed, so the Kenjaku calc wouldn't get higher
 
Rogue_Forge said:
No because calcs just use baseline Supersonic for piercing bloods speed, so the Kenjaku calc wouldn't get higher
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You ever heard of hiding the calculation?
If Piercing Blood is calced to be a certain speed, you can't lower the speed just to calc it for someone else.

On top of that, even if it wasn't hiding a calc, Kenjaku would be mach 4.6, which is ≥ the mach 4.5. So he would STILL be faster than Piercing Blood
 
KingTempest said:
You ever heard of hiding the calculation?
If Piercing Blood is calced to be a certain speed, you can't lower the speed just to calc it for someone else.
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I mean its not hiding a calculation? It just uses baseline supersonic that we have via a statement, not assumed speed, and not a calc
KingTempest said:
On top of that, even if it wasn't hiding a calc, Kenjaku would be mach 4.6, which is ≥ the mach 4.5. So he would STILL be faster than Piercing Blood
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he's only that in reactions as of now, and im not sure what would that contradict.
 
Mommyleona said:
I mean its not hiding a calculation? It just uses baseline supersonic that we have via a statement, not assumed speed, and not a calc
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My bad, sorry bout that. you're right
Mommyleona said:
he's only that in reactions as of now, and im not sure what would that contradict.
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Said "reactions" being him twisting his whole body and throwing out a cursed spirit in the same speed, it should honestly count for both but I digress

makes no sense for him to scale to that
 
Forgot about this till I was rewatching the anime again, Choso's piercing bloods shoots a hole straight through Uraume's hand which she heals with RCT

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Agree with the CRT, disagree with scaling Choso to Maki based off that statement. Their individual performances against Sukuna should automatically disqualify that statement to mean anything scaling wise (for reference, Choso got consistently one-shot, Maki didn't until he hit a Black Flash twice)

Also, that kinda just scales Choso to Toji, and thus Choso above Teen Geto, who is stronger than Yuki. Yuki performed better against Kenjaku then what Choso did.
 
i agree with Choso downscaling from Kenjaku, I don’t think PB feats are important here (piercing damage) or really help with the argument.

Choso is shown several times to be capable of enduring attacks from Kenjaku.

Then there’s this statement from Kenjaku.

“I know you’re just feeling me out”
“You want me to reveal my cursed techniques to Yuki”
“I’ve only been manipulating low-level cursed spirits…. but perhaps even that is unnecessary”
Kenjaku is aware of what Choso is planning to do, so he’s opting to use low level cursed spirits enhanced with his CE, or just beating him to death, in order to not reveal his high level cursed spirits or his other cursed techniques.
Based on that I believe it’s reasonable to assume he wasn’t pulling his punches on Choso.
For AP, Choso forced Kenjaku to use a cursed spirits to block his punch. If that’s not enough evidence for AP, which I believe it should be, he was trading blows from Yuji which is self evident.
 
Saqphire said:
Agree with the CRT, disagree with scaling Choso to Maki based off that statement. Their individual performances against Sukuna should automatically disqualify that statement to mean anything scaling wise (for reference, Choso got consistently one-shot, Maki didn't until he hit a Black Flash twice)

Also, that kinda just scales Choso to Toji, and thus Choso above Teen Geto, who is stronger than Yuki. Yuki performed better against Kenjaku then what Choso did.
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Choso got one shot by a way stronger Sukuna later he tanked a dismantle and survived BF though used BM to reduce the damage. Seems like you are not looking at the context for 4 hands with good output Sukuna vs 2 hands with low output Sukuna with serious injuries fighting Maki.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Choso got one shot by a way stronger Sukuna later he tanked a dismantle and survived BF though used BM to reduce the damage. Seems like you are not looking at the context for 4 hands with good output Sukuna vs 2 hands with low output Sukuna with serious injuries fighting Maki.
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Choso took way more damage from that Black Flash than Maki did and he took it after Yuji hit him. She took it once before he hit him and once after with less damage than him, meaning she's at least 2.5x stronger than him if anything
 
Sukuna arguments are pointless.
Sukuna’s output fluctuates constantly, he chooses when and when not to one shot and speed blitz people.
Using him for a basis of anything just leads to chaos.
Maki didn’t tank 2 black flashes.
She got hit by the first black flash and was MIA.
Sukuna had plenty of time to play with Kusakabe, then beat him.
Went on to box Miguel and Larue, with Yuji and Choso tagging in, then Maki finally came back.
She then took a second black flash and was MIA for the rest of the series.

Choso took a black flash while blocking with BM. Sukuna’s output is inconsistent. You can’t draw a line of scaling from Sukuna.
 
Saqphire said:
Choso took way more damage from that Black Flash than Maki did and he took it after Yuji hit him. She took it once before he hit him and once after with less damage than him, meaning she's at least 2.5x stronger than him if anything
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4th BF should be stronger than 3rd Bf ?
That's not the same. Also what you are saying is endurance feat not even Durability and like above Bigopp stated there are other factors to consider.
 
Rogue_Forge said:
He can trade blows with Kenjaku and make him dodge his attacks (which is on his profile)
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He's not trading anything, he ran to Kenjaku and tried punching and Kenjaku blocks it and then blocks kicks.

Rogue_Forge said:
He also either damages or was going to damage Kenjaku with his piercing blood, forcing him to deflect it by rotating his head
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It's post domain. How does this help with scaling?

Just throw on page him training and surviving Kenjaku's attacks.

Since H7C is unlikely to stay or at least in its current state, this should be closed for now or remove the tier upgrading and wait for a crt that focuses on tiering.
 
Funny how absolutely nothing will change since the H7C and possibly 7C scaling is going down the drain
 
Now we can focus on the quality of the pages (we really need concrete 8-A scaling)
 
Arkenis said:
He gets punched in this page and Choso reacts to him running. He's not really blinded here, Kenjaku ran around not through.
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Hard disagree there, Choso is clearly recoiling from the explosion, hand over his head and face leaning downwards.
Vs when he blocks Kenjaku’s attack he’s
looking forward and at him.

Saying he just reacted to Kenjaku running at him means Kenjaku watched Choso raise his arm into a blocking stance, lunged and attacked his arms anyways, only to be blocked and then move his arms out the way to land a clean blow.
That’s just idiotic. Why wouldn’t Kenjaku just start with moving his arm out the way and then punching him?
Why did he even move the arm out the way? If Choso can’t react to him close quarters he would have just punched him in the face
 
Anonymous_Learner said:
JJK Supporters are genuinely so funny to me cuz those words are ALWAYS said whenever downgrades are proposed. They'll make upgrade thread after upgrade thread, downgrade after downgrade, and whenever downgrades are proposed, they always say, "Well, now we can focus on making proper profiles and scaling chains". You mean you won't work on it unless it's in downgrade hell?
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Right message, wrong place, this is a CRT. Respectfully deleting
 
Seeing as all of OP's scans are from after Choso awakening, this would be fine for the Culling Game/ Shinjunku Raid key.
 
Duedate8898 said:
Seeing as Kenjaku is clearly toying with Choso beforehand, nothing really scaleable there
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Why exactly do you think Choso is pulling his punches?
BiggestOpp said:
Then there’s this statement from Kenjaku.

“I know you’re just feeling me out”
“You want me to reveal my cursed techniques to Yuki”
“I’ve only been manipulating low-level cursed spirits…. but perhaps even that is unnecessary”
Kenjaku is aware of what Choso is planning to do, so he’s opting to use low level cursed spirits enhanced with his CE, or just beating him to death, in order to not reveal his high level cursed spirits or his other cursed techniques.
Based on that I believe it’s reasonable to assume he wasn’t pulling his punches on Choso.
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