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Why would regen help from it? She would just go insane from knowledge of Yog existing
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Shiro meets The Guardian of the Threshold!(Shallow Vernal vs Yog-Sothoth) [4 - 0 - 7]
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She has a plot abstract, so I think it'd need proof of interacting with that.
Also, it's in the peerage holder blog, the madness res. That's a necessary resistance to be near Isis already
Also, it's in the peerage holder blog, the madness res. That's a necessary resistance to be near Isis already
Qurbonboev
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Iris madness is only type 3 though
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Figured it was somewhere but couldn't find it on the profile.
What type is this ? All types ?
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That Madness Type 2 is doing nothing. He needs proof of interacting with the plot abstract, and Shiro has resistance to mind manipulation, plus unconventional resistance. Yog-Sothoth would need proof of interacting with the soul in order to interact with the mind in the first place.
type 3
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I don't think type 2 would be helpful here, since resisting Isis stuff also includes needing to resist mind shenanigans which I think is also layered on their end. That plus the plot abstract since epilogue is the a system of the end itself
Biggest incon of our lives
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Mind you, Yog only has 1-A outta pity. I just didn’t wanna bother anymore but his rating is highkey nonsensical
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This is I will punish you and make Klein vs Yog next time.
You will see how Ac5 carries match to incon against 4 layers
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peak way to take advantage of someone with a possible rating versus someone with a full rating is something no one has done before
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Unfortunately it’s lwk one of the best examples of Acausality 5. CM is permanently an incon merchant, basically.
Also, I noticed something but why does Yog have CM1? Or is it just for the lols?
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I would say it’s for the lols. I have close to zero confidence in that verse actually having CM 1, and even that Nep, with all aspects, is wanked, someone added in all aspects without a crt.
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In that case, I was wondering how Klein would interact with him since he literally controls the universal concept of change. Maybe he could remove Yog’s acausality or sum stupid shit like that. It’s very funny to think about it nonetheless.
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Regarding being able to remove Acausality Type 5, it becomes possible if Klein not only controls the universal concept of change but can also impose or enforce that concept upon beings or reality. In that case, he would be forcing entities that do not participate in the concept of change to partake in it. Acausality Type 5 is what it is because the character possessing it does not participate in causality-driven change and is therefore changeless.
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As I said, it's pretty interesting to think about. But also I realized that Yog's Acausality works pretty differently depending on where he scales. If he's High 1-B (which is what he truly is), he is about as immutable as an eternalist universe is. If he's 1-A, then he's immutable because he's indivisible. Both of them have very different mechanics.
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I think in this case you would need proof this ability can affect acaus 5 type characters, and their type of causality. Since they technically work under some "meta" causality from what I have seen. So they're beyond that system of change entirely and what they are manipulating
Never really seen a case removing acausality 5 like that. I mean cool if it works that way, new meta of acaus 5 interaction 🗣
Never really seen a case removing acausality 5 like that. I mean cool if it works that way, new meta of acaus 5 interaction 🗣
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Wouldn't that be contradictory to AC-5 which makes you “unchangeable” to an extent via being outside Cause & Effect.
It's like an immovable force vs Unstoppable Object scenario.
Will the Concept of Change to Change someone Unchangeable, or Will the Unchangeable object be unchanged because it's can't Change. Think about that in the shower.
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I think the general idea is that they are unaffected by Concepts asw (unless said Concept originates from a Qualitatively higher reality) since they are essentially outside of causality of the reality they are in.
Truly the ultimate incon merchant.
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I'm pretty sure meta-causality is a disqualifier though. Since Type 5 is just to say that X character can never go from state-of-affairs-Y to any other state-of-affairs-Z for any given reason (on their level of reality).
Yea but what I'm talking about here is in what way it is outside of change. I even mentioned above how Yog's immutability would work completely different depending on how he scales, so it can't be that all Acausalities work the same (I mean, we explicitly differentiate it from Tier 0 Acausality)
But in general my question was prompted by the fact that if Yog truly doesnt have CM1, then, can't change be forcefully predicated of him in the case someone (like Klein) invokes it on him with the CM1 of change?
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Good way to explain it yeah. Since concepts are also not physical and what not, being acaus 5 makes you unbound by the causal relation between them. So ultimately I think manipulating the concept of change results in the same thing. And of course why qualitative difference ignores this
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It is not a problem since it is not Tier 0, as changeless is not absolute then. It’s the same way as removing immunities. For example, a being who doesn’t participate in the concept of burning will be immune to burning no matter how much you increase it. The only way to make them burn is to impose the concept of burning onto them. Acausality Type 5 works the same way, this time being cause-and-effect change. So it is only logical that imposing the concept of change would work, and then they will be able to change.
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Seems like Koreaman isn't that unreachable after all
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I think calling it meta is a way of saying their independence is "transcendent", because yeah the only real immutability is tier 0. But the functions of change are something beneath them in their level of reality.
But this is kinda going towards "'what's the difference between forcibly applying a concept to an immune person, and this?" which is kinda valid question
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Yea but for that
- You need direct proof of the character having done something very similar.
- Have the concepts originate from a higher plane of existence.
AC-5 and immunity is a bit different per se, AC-5 means you are Unchangeable in the sense that no action that follows causality can effect you. Inducing the concept of Change follow causality.
Let's take X and Y with X having said CM and Y being AC-5
[X uses the Concept of Change on Y] --> [Y Changes]
(Cause) ------------------------------> (Effect)
The whole action of using CM follows an ordered cause & effect thus Y by default should be immune to that.
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Koreaman is only mini boss, Chinese man with dual cultivation lvl 3000 in the nascent stage with lvl 20 Dao farming speed is the main boss. (Yes I am aware LOTM is Chinese asw)
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This just depends on how the character is immutable though. Which is where the issue lies.
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I mean yea but most AC-5 have clear cut outside causality statements with no anti feats in which case I don't think CM will work on them unless any of the two previously mentioned conditions are met.
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Aside from depending on how the character is immutable, I would say that, following your logic, AC-5 performing any action would also be an anti-feat, since that too involves cause and effect, which includes fighting and so on.
So if we set that aside, they would be immune to the concept of Change if it is merely manipulation. However, they would not automatically be immune to the enforcement of the concept of Change without proof, as that is a direct counter to being immune to cause-and-effect changes, as stated here: immunity is not an absolute defense.
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Wait till you see AC 5 plot and transduality reasons for warhammer
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I believe it is or it was when I read about it like a year ago, that's why I mentioned they are an Ultimate incon merchant and that's also why it's hard to get. Any action involving cause & effect should act as an anti feat for it.
Like I said it's not strictly an immunity but rather unconventional immunity if that makes sense. Also I am not saying that they are immune to the Concept of Change but rather that if one were to argue enforcing the concept of Change on them, the former needs to be the one showing proof and not the latter because by default anyone with Ac-5 benefits from an Unconventional Immunity which is why I mentioned my first point.
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Lwk forgot they updated this hax lol. I should prob add it for OC or sum
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No, go on everyone, I am enjoying the cook.
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Wanker stop wanking
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I think you would need proof said concept of change can affect something that doesn't just lack the cause and effect, but essentially exists above it. It's like trying to enforce a lower system to someone who has basically lost that restriction by ascending it. Kinda different from just forcefully applying an aspect simply from lacking it I'd say.
It's like X trying to affect Y with some concept, but actually Y isn't even in that same system anymore and became a number instead or something, where that change to the former letter is a non-factor. Hence you need specific feats for it
It's like X trying to affect Y with some concept, but actually Y isn't even in that same system anymore and became a number instead or something, where that change to the former letter is a non-factor. Hence you need specific feats for it
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Interesting that one of these dimension beast also deals mental damage just by existing, of course doesn't work on Kaito or Peak Counts.
Cthulu Mythos exists in Isekai at Peace
Shiro solos
Author seems to be making more and more references as the series goes on, which is neat.
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I can't help but wonder why we needed Eldritch horrors in this series..
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