Town-level Tiersetter Tournament, Round 13: Sisyphus vs Shujinko

[Naito-desu]

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STAGE SELECT: SHIBUYA

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MATCH RULES

• Speed is equalized by default
• Both start 50 meters apart in the center, SBA otherwise
• Rules are subject to changes on a per-match basis to make them fairer or more interesting
• If a match is deemed inconclusive, the advancement will be decided on a coin toss.
• If a match is stalled due to a lack of votes, the host may declare an outcome at their discretio

Sisyphus Prime {13.85 kilotons}: 0

Shujinko {7.33 kilotons}: 0

Incon: 0

 

[AnAverageUsername]

We're causing a real shibuya incident with this one

So uh, right off the bat, Sisyphus shockwaves. He's already much stronger, but those shockwaves make things way more deadly. Telekinesis wont work cause of the LS disparity, so what can Shujinko do.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Shujinko has teleportation and intangibility. Also, I see no Absolute Zero freezing resistance. Also, also, copying abilities and absorbing his strength. Also, also, also, Shujinko's melee skills and weapons are pretty useful.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

My main concern is that even with that teleportation, Shujinko is getting gored from a single hit going by how Sisyphus two-shots characters who scale to his value. And how long does the intangibility last? Can he use other moves with it?

 

[Rex_Eckles]

My main concern is that even with that teleportation, Shujinko is getting gored from a single hit going by how Sisyphus two-shots characters who scale to his value. And how long does the intangibility last? Can he use other moves with it?

I don’t remember how long, but I don’t think it’s long, I don’t remember if he (or Smoke) can do anything while intangible.

But remember, Shujinki massively upscales his value too.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

I don’t remember how long, but I don’t think it’s long, I don’t remember if he (or Smoke) can do anything while intangible.

Gonna be honest, I cant find anything about Smoke's skillset in Deception. And I remember there being no intangibility option in MK9, so that's out of the equation.

But remember, Shujinki massively upscales his value too.

Even if he massively upscale his value, we can't say it reaches the same value that Sisyphus himself massively upscales from himself. That same upscaling is so high, that it two-shots those of the same value. Considering he can spam shockwaves with his attack, there's just a massive chance that Shujinko gets clipped and gets sisyphucked, no?

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Gonna be honest, I cant find anything about Smoke's skillset in Deception. And I remember there being no intangibility option in MK9, so that's out of the equation.

I'll look around at some point. But there's still teleportation.

Considering he can spam shockwaves with his attack, there's just a massive chance that Shujinko gets clipped and gets sisyphucked, no?

Maybe, but Shujinko has many ways to stasis-induce him too. And if Shujinko realizes he's outmatched, he can easily absorb his power.

 

[Jerry59]

Shujinko has teleportation and intangibility.

Are they spammable?

Also, I see no Absolute Zero freezing resistance

How does that work?

Also, also, copying abilities and absorbing his strength.

You need to prove that Shujinko can absorb strength beyond his 7-C value of 7.33 KT. Copying abilities is useful, but against someone with better stats, it’s largely irrelevant, and just gives Shujinko more abilities to choose from unnecessarily.

Also, also, also, Shujinko's melee skills and weapons are pretty useful.

Give me some of his good fighting skills then?

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Are they spammable?

It's Mortal Kombat, so probably (at least for teleportation)

How does that work?

Ice blasts

 

[Jerry59]

It's Mortal Kombat, so probably (at least for teleportation)

By spammable I mean does it have a really low cooldown between uses, yk, like this?

Ice blasts

If they don’t cover his entire body, then it’s manageable for Sisyphus to tough them out and cave his skull in ig.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

By spammable I mean does it have a really low cooldown between uses, yk, like this?

The very same. Probably quicker actually, used to spam teleportation in MK9 as Raiden. Cause Shao Khan can eat my ass.

If they don’t cover his entire body, then it’s manageable for Sisyphus to tough them out and cave his skull in ig.

It's more like if you're hit by an ice blast, you become completely frozen. The blasts dont cover entire bodies in game and yet they still freeze people solid entirely.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

You need to prove that Shujinko can absorb strength beyond his 7-C value of 7.33 KT. Copying abilities is useful, but against someone with better stats, it’s largely irrelevant, and just gives Shujinko more abilities to choose from unnecessarily.

He can absorb the strength from at least 15 other characters, multiple of them scaled to or above the 7.33 value, in one fell swoop. He'll be fine.

Give me some of his good fighting skills then?

He can fight on par with Shang Tsung, Raiden, Hotaru, Havik, Noob Saibot, and more. All of them can effectively use and switch between two separate martial arts skills, Raiden is thousands of years old, Shang Tsung is hundreds to thousands of years old, both of them having spent much of that time fighting. Hotaru is a captain of the Seido guards, Havik is a chaotic fighter, able to disfigure himself in weird ways to gain the upperhand in fights, and Noob (as Sub-Zero) managed to fight through the four elemental gods, the armies of the Netherrealm, Quan Chi's assasins, Quan Chi himself, and outmaneuver the millenia old Elder God Shinnok to steal his amulet (potentially beat, but it's optional).

 

[Nonynho]

what have i done to you for you to keep treating me this poorly

Shujinko was treated VERY poorly by Midway and by OP who should please repair his image, but he is definetely one of the most skilled people to exist even to current MK stuff might i add here that he'd solo the entire current timeline IMO?
He's just that guy and i think so far i'm not convinced that this Sisyphus fella is doing much against him

 

[Homie890]

Hm.
Can Shujinko survive, say.
Sisyphus doing back to back Be Gones?

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Hm.
Can Shujinko survive, say.
Sisyphus doing back to back Be Gones?

What does the Be Gone do?

 

[Jerry59]

He can absorb the strength from at least 15 other characters, multiple of them scaled to or above the 7.33 value, in one fell swoop. He'll be fine.

Someone like Garou has an “up to this exact value” for a reason ya know. He can absorb the strength of those comparable to him, or stronger than him, and getting more powerful by an unquantifiable amount. However he would need to demonstrate the ability to absorb and become nearly twice as strong if you want to argue that he could absorb Sisyphus’s strength.

the armies of the Netherrealm

If he’s the army solo type, then they shouldn’t be that far apart in skill. I don’t really care how many martial arts styles he uses, it only adds variety which doesn’t mean much against a simple wincon like blowing the guy up or caving his skull in (especially when it’s already been argued that Sisyphus’s upscaling is far superior). And as someone else put it, experience is just skill without substance, you can only grow so far in those "thousand of years" and whatever.

The very same. Probably quicker actually, used to spam teleportation in MK9 as Raiden. Cause Shao Khan can eat my ass.

Damn

It's more like if you're hit by an ice blast, you become completely frozen. The blasts dont cover entire bodies in game and yet they still freeze people solid entirely.

Do the opponents have resistance? And if they don’t, do they freeze indefinitely in gameplay? If not it feels like Sisyphus could still have a chance even after being hit by the ice blasts. And there’s also the issue that having too many abilities actually hurt Shujinko here, he might not pull off the specific one he needs in time and end up using something else instead, idk.

 

[Nonynho]

What does the Be Gone do?

BEGOOOOONE

idk, really needed to make this joke

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Do the opponents have resistance? And if they don’t, do they freeze indefinitely in gameplay? If not it feels like Sisyphus could still have a chance even after being hit by the ice blasts. And there’s also the issue that having too many abilities actually hurt Shujinko here, he might not pull off the specific one he needs in time and end up using something else instead, idk.

Characters hit in game do eventually thaw on their own, but im assuming thats apart of the resistance everyone has to absolute zero.

 

[Nonynho]

Characters hit in game do eventually thaw on their own, but im assuming thats apart of the resistance everyone has to absolute zero.

Game Mechanics justify many many things in the franchise, like how if Scorpion's main move hits even the most regular humans like Kira or Kobra, they have no respiratory issues despite being a kunai in their chest lol

 

[Homie890]

What does the Be Gone do?

Sisyphus teleports behind the enemies, claps his hands and a vertical shockwave comes out of him

 

[Homie890]

Sisyphus teleports behind the enemies, claps his hands and a vertical shockwave comes out of him

Frogot to add but he can sometimes use this move back to back 3 times

 

[Nonynho]

Sisyphus teleports behind the enemies, claps his hands and a vertical shockwave comes out of him

Raiden and Noob Saibot can do this kind of stuff (and do this very very often IC), and he's way above them skillwise while also having their powers iirc

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Sisyphus teleports behind the enemies, claps his hands and a vertical shockwave comes out of him

Scorpion can do this, and Shujinko can use his moves too.

 

[Nonynho]

Scorpion can do this, and Shujinko can use his moves too.

Raiden and Noob
Forgor about Scorpion's TP but yeah

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Having given it some thought, I am going to vote for Shujinko. While Sisyphus does have an absurd AP advantage through scaling, Shujinko just has more shit up his sleeves. That and with Sisyphus lacking any means to defend against AZ attacks, he's the one getting Sisyphucked this time.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Validation!

 

[Jerry59]

Wanted to talk a bit more about Shujinko’s skill stuff that certain people keep gooning over but teleportation and AZ did indeed **** Sisyphus over anyway so uh

Shujinko FRA. Good luck with Mash pal

 

[Naito-desu]

Alright, given the submitter of Sisyphus conceded, I'll go ahead and advance him

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Shujinko getting win after win!

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Shujinko getting win after win!

Hes going to be in the fight of his life

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Hes going to be in the fight of his life

Well, bring it on then.

 

[Nonynho]

Cool thing about Shujinko is that you gotta be tremendously outskilling him or else you can't do s***