Hazbin Hotel: Word of Slop

[Alexander]

I dont care its idiotic that Baxter made Shok.Wav and somehow didnt expect it to snitch on him, but modern word of God says he did

First of all, Baxter not only worked for Voxtech, but he was the one made the security system.
Second of all, in the flashback, we see him and Vox having a deal by something, after he saw his biological creature that looked like a shark.
obviosly, this is meant has a way to say that he made Shock.Wav.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

First of all, Baxter not only worked for Voxtech, but he was the one made the security system.
Second of all, in the flashback, we see him and Vox having a deal by something, after he saw his biological creature that looked like a shark.
obviosly, this is meant has a way to say that he made Shock.Wav.

......... Alexander, I didnt say that I think Baxter didn't make Shok.Wav. I said that it's stupid that he was confirmed to have done so and yet was completely caught up guard about his very creation doing its bloody job

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I am, I just think a lot of her older word of gods are either unfounded in the current series or just straight up contradicted. Literally take any of the modern ones and Im fine with it (unless, again, somehow contradicted)

I dont care its idiotic that Baxter made Shok.Wav and somehow didnt expect it to snitch on him, but modern word of God says he did

The thing is a lot of the stuff on the profiles IS modern.

Like yall aren't taking into consideration stuff like the structure of hell, the nature of demons as a species, even stuff like how angelic weapons work and how the verses power system functions are all WoG based. Getting rid of WoG effectively nukes the verse.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I swear to Chekhov this site on mobile coupled with autocorrect changing every other word i write is going to give me an aneurysm

 

[DaReaperMan]

It's almost like he was physically unable to do so or something, aint that weird

...Weekly, where do spiders keep their venom? Hell, some Spiders can SPIT Venom and webbing.

Like not gonna lie, reading through the responses on this thread, all im seeing is 'i dont like vivziepop's writing so we shouldn't allow her word of God to be used'.

You are putting personal opinions over logic.

Weekly, what is wrong with "Don't use Word of God never supported in the show or stated multiple times because her WoG has a backlog of being contradicted"?

Hell, what about that Alastor and Lucifer have a mutual respect thing? That certainly didn't last five whole seconds of them meeting eachother.

The thing is a lot of the stua species, ff on the profiles IS modern.

Like tall aren't taking into consideration stuff like the structure of hell, th3 nature of demons as a species, even stuff like how angelic weapons work and how the verses power system functions are all WoG based. Getting rid of WoG effectively nukes the verse as none of this is explained in the show proper.

Well maybe that shit should be stated in the ******* show instead of being relegated to ancient Word of God then. Or, find where she states it, or something similar twice.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I swear to chekhov this site on mobile coupled with autocorrect is going to give me an anyuerism

I'll say it once and I'll say it twice: **** Autocorrect.

 

[Alexander]

you can probably get rid of SOME stuff, but ALL?now that is a different thing.
i could understand if you want gone the statements that clearly are contradictory, but at least leave the one's who aren't contradictory at all (yes i am reffering to certain statement)

 

[WeeklyBattles]

...Weekly, where do spiders keep their venom? Hell, some Spiders can SPIT Venom and webbing.

Normal spiders, not a supernatural humanoid spider demon that was under mind control

Weekly, what is wrong with "Don't use Word of God never supported in the show or stated multiple times because her WoG has a backlog of being contradicted"?

Show where it's been contradicted please. That would be the first step before dismissing it.

Well maybe that shit should be stated in the ******* show instead of being relegated to ancient Word of God then. Or, find where she states it, or something similar twice.

I can do that easily

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Yeah, many word of god statements in the modern era should be 100% usable even without any real support. For example both the countdown events that happened for Seasons 1 and 2 which gave tidbits, restated previously established lore, or gave new pieces of info should be allowed. But once you start getting archives that well exceed Season 1's release 2 years ago is when I start having issues (relative to how far away it is, if she did a stream like the day before than yeah that should be fine)

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Normal spiders, not a supernatural humanoid spider demon that was under mind control

Angel dust literally had a chance to bit Vox and straight up did spit at him with no unique effect

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I'll say it once and I'll say it twice: **** Autocorrect.

The fact that it didn't used to correct 'megaton' to 'melanin' until February seems painfully ironic...

Edit: now it's correcting melanin to melatonin

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Angel dust literally had a chance to bit Vox and straight up did spit at him with no unique effect

Okay? Is his saliva stated to contain his venom? Spiders don't usually ccarryry venom in spit.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

I don't know, you want to count Alastor "ripping your soul and broadcasting you into the sound waves" has a way to regenerate yourself?because those ************* aren't dead.

What does this have to do with angelic weapons being able to destroy souls or sinners regenerating from the soul?

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Okay? Is his spit stated to contain his venom?

No, but right before the spit he again had the chance to just bite him directly. The spit isn't the main point, it's an additive to the fact that Angel is straight up never shown to be venomous or have any traits associated with it.

 

[Alexander]

What does this have to do with angelic weapons being able to destroy souls or sinners regenerating from the soul?

then what the **** do Angelic weapons do then?negate regeneration (and durability)

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

I agree that All pilot era WOG gotta go and that all WOG gotta go.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

What does this have to do with angelic weapons being able to destroy souls or sinners regenerating from the soul?

Basically some people argue that because those souls aren't dead it counts, however

• As far as we know those are recordings
• We don't know if it's something they can normally survive (EX: This is a simply byproduct of Alastor's ability rather than a Sinner's natural survivability)
• We have literally no context on how Al even did it

then what the **** do Angelic weapons do then?negate regeneration

I mean..... yeah? That is an option and that is all they have really been shown beyond power nullification (I ain't letting that dura-neg slide)

 

[DaReaperMan]

Normal spiders, not a supernatural humanoid spider demon that was under mind control

Weekly. They have powers BASED ON THEIR ANIMALS, going full WoG here. But even basic shit like Cats/Deer having good hearing just are never shown despite there literally being an Orangeguy who scans every frame of the show to give Alastor more abilities and shit.

Show where it's been contradicted please. That would be the first step before dismissing it.

Hell, what about that Alastor and Lucifer have a mutual respect thing? That certainly didn't last five whole seconds of them meeting eachother.

Do I need to tell you "Watch Season 1 Episode 5 of Hazbin Hotel"? Pilot-era WoG is basically unusable, and if people want to do Modern WoG as usable, I'll add that to the OP, and note that it's something else to vote on.

I can do that easily

Then for what you don't want removed, bring multiple examples!

the only thing I take issue with is Goetia being big badasses because Andrealphus sure as hell got his magical dragon taking damage to ******* IMPS.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

then what the **** do Angelic weapons do then?negate regeneration (and durability)

It's literally a major MAJOR aspect of the world building that demons cannot die unless their soul is erased, its not just a one-off statement its stated multiple times and is ingrained in the overall lore of the verse as a whole.

 

[DaReaperMan]

So what is this thread looking to achieve? Well, basically, any Word of God that isn't either

1. Stated multiple times
2. Word of God that is clarifying a scene in the show.
3. Word of God that is Supported by the show, like Niffty being able to speak Japanese.

It's literally a major MAJOR aspect of the world building that demons cannot die unless their soul is erased, its not just a one-off statement its stated multiple times and is ingrained in the overall lore of the verse as a whole.

Weekly. Read that first point.

Did you even READ my OP, instead of just seeing "Word of God bad" and assuming I didn't put in something for the consistently stated stuff?

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

It's literally a major MAJOR aspect of the world building that demons cannot die unless their soul is erased, its not just a one-off statement its stated multiple times and is ingrained in the overall lore of the verse as a whole.

If it's that big of an aspect, then go ahead and prove it so we can use it. A major MAJOR aspect of a series should naturally be provable within it's source material. Would be far better than trying to use a random quote that's over twice the age of the actual franchise itself

 

[Phsccarvalho]

then what the **** do Angelic weapons do then?negate regeneration (and durability)

They kill guys who are immortal. They still have regeneration and immortality without WOG.

its not just a one-off statement its stated multiple times

Okay, what were those times? Could you list them?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Weekly. Read that first point.

Did you even READ my OP, instead of just seeing "Word of God bad" and assuming I didn't put in something for the consistently stated stuff?

Yes, because that's very in character for you

 

[DaReaperMan]

Yes, because that's very in character for you

So you don't actually read the things you disagree with in depth?

Huh, that makes a lot of sense, actually.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

So you don't actually read the things you disagree with in depth?

Huh, that makes a lot of sense, actually.

It's moreso that your arguments are very predictable, so I can make a general disagreement now and then pick it apart more in depth when I get home from work

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Honestly I wonder if the word of god statement of the sinners being incapable of reproducing is still true given Carmilla has kids

 

[DaReaperMan]

It's moreso that your arguments are very predictable, so I can make a general disagreement now and then pick it apart more in depth when I get home from work

Well, ya better bring scans other than "I said so". After all, it wouldn't be the first time regarding this verse you told me something and came up... lacking when I then asked for a source to use.

 

[Alexander]

Honestly I wonder if the word of god statement of the sinners being incapable of reproducing is still true given Carmilla has kids

there is literraly the explanation of them simple being family while alive and dying.

 

[DaReaperMan]

there is literraly the explanation of them simple being family while alive and dying.

Yeah that's one thing I'm entirely neutral on, cause both ways have an argument and it's just never explained how Odette and Clara are here.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Anyway, I've probably said all I can on the topic so ima dip out with my vote against using ancient material while keeping the stuff that's co-released with the series. Got a important project I need to advertise tomorrow and my sickness ain't going to get any better from staying up late

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

there is literraly the explanation of them simple being family while alive and dying.

Yeah that's one thing I'm entirely neutral on, cause both ways have an argument and it's just never explained how Odette and Clara are here.

Yeah, that's why I said I wondered. Could also just be adoption or some shit, but it's something to think about since that statement was also from from the same era.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Anyway, I've probably said all I can on the topic so ima dip out with my vote against using ancient material while keeping the stuff that's co-released with the series. Got a important project I need to advertise tomorrow and my sickness ain't going to get any better from staying up late

Take care, the sickness ain't gonna go away unless you take care of yourself!

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Well, ya better bring scans other than "I said so". After all, it wouldn't be the first time regarding this verse you told me something and came up... lacking when I then asked for a source to use.

Which was what exactly?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Which was what exactly?

Pentious being blown to bits from Alastor's attack.

 

[Ferno1234]

thus, we really shouldn't be taking them as gospel.

I agree, there needs to be at least a basis for X thing in the verse before we take in WOG to be usable for said something

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Pentious being blown to bits from Alastor's attack.

...you mean the thing that was shown on screen in the first episode?

 

[DaReaperMan]

...you mean the thing that was shown on screen in the first episode?

And... the chunks flying are Alastor's tentacles, I also pointed this out to you on July 12th of 2023, which you then responded "Vivian confirmed that he got blown to pieces and regenerated", which I asked for it and you kinda said you'd respond later and never did. On October 16th of 2024, I then asked for it which you then responded "oh thats what you mean" "yeah lemme see if i can find it". Well it's Febuary 19th of 2026 for me.

You also said you'd do Sarah Kerrigan, but Starcraft scaling is changing so much I'd basically have to direct you for every little thing to put on her AP section

 

[VoidGoji]

Ditching old WoG that has been contradicted is a must. If its old but has been reinforced or not contradicted, it should stay. Same for modern WoG

 

[ShionAH]

Alastor threatened to rip Husks soul apart and successfully scared him and the eyes we see in Vox and Angel scene support Vivzies claim about the soul manipulation for Angelic Weapons

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Alastor threatened to rip Husks soul apart and successfully scared him and the eyes we see in Vox and Angel scene support Vivzies claim about the soul manipulation for Angelic Weapons

Anyone would be terrified if someone threatened to destroy their soul; it doesn't help at all.

Show me a single scene of a soul being destroyed by an angelic weapon, or a sinner regenerating their soul.