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Hazbin Hotel: Word of Slop

Phsccarvalho said:
Anyone would be terrified if someone threatened to destroy their soul; it doesn't help at all.

Show me a single scene of a soul being destroyed by an angelic weapon, or a sinner regenerating their soul.
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Again, it is a MASSIVE part of the verse's mechanics that Sinners can come back from anything less than their soul being destroyed. Its the reason why they die on screen regularly and come back like nothing happened, its the whole reason how Hell is overpopulated, its the whole reason why theres eyes everywhere in Hell (when a Sinner does die, their essence is absorbed into Hell and manifests as eyes). Hell, even in the first episode Vaggie brings up how sinners cant die unless theyre erased.

Removing the soul regeneration effectively breaks the entire story.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Anyone would be terrified if someone threatened to destroy their soul; it doesn't help at all.
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Are we fr not seeing the connection? Alastor could have just said he would rip him apart physically but he didn’t
Phsccarvalho said:
Show me a single scene of a soul being destroyed by an angelic weapon
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Well technically anytime someone is killed by Angelic weapons their soul is destroyed. We also know this is true and still consistent due to the eyes
Phsccarvalho said:
or a sinner regenerating their soul.
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They literally cant do that what??
 
ShionAH said:
Are we fr not seeing the connection? Alastor could have just said he would rip him apart physically but he didn’t
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Doesnt seem much like a threat when there are multiple instances of sinners regenerating from that kind of damage in the show
 
I agree, if there is scans we can use thst arent wog to support anything we should use those instead.
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
Back then maybe, removing WoG only like removes some minor stuff now.
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Well a lot of sinners will lose their stamina reasoning, and we also lose "Pentious is pathetic physically ergo everyone upscales from him."
Also some characters use WoG to essentially justify entire stats (Like Nifty's intelligence)
 
Some things I feel are relevant (didn't read everything cause I'm currently busy, so forgive me if it was addressed before).

In episode 7 of season 2, Vox says this:
My fellow demons, we find ourselves at the turn of the tide. In the years following Lilith's uprising, we have found ourselves at the mercy of the armies of Heaven. For years, we have stood by, watching our brothers and sisters die the eternal death, thinking there was nothing we could do to stop it. The one good thing Morningstar's little hotel did was show us that we could defend ourselves. But now, thanks to us, the Vees, you no longer have to live in fear.
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This, combined with the fact that the Exterminations are treated as a far more permanent fate compared to your average turf war, should be enough to keep the whole "only Angelic Power can truly kill sinners" WoG
 
DarkLock92 said:
Some things I feel are relevant (didn't read everything cause I'm currently busy, so forgive me if it was addressed before).

In episode 7 of season 2, Vox says this:

This, combined with the fact that the Exterminations are treated as a far more permanent fate compared to your average turf war, should be enough to keep the whole "only Angelic Power can truly kill sinners" WoG
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Only Angelic Power or total erasure

Demons have killed other demons via erasure in-canon
 
DarkLock92 said:
Could you remind me when? I don't seem to remember
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Pilot episode, Vaggie says that Alastor could erase them. This was before angelic weapons were introduced or that anyone knew that people in hell had them

By WoG demons can die via erasure, which causes their soul to cease existing and the demonic energy that made up their body to either be absorbed by the person who killed them or absorbed into Hell itself
 
then we could also nuke the statement of Satan lying and say that Satan was being truthful, WHEN HE WASN'T (i am just mentioning another example)
 
The WoG from the Hazbin Hotel pilot era shouldn't be used unless they're consistent with the current series, as they're more concepts than concrete elements. However, if they don't contradict anything, I don't see why they shouldn't be used, even if they aren't directly shown. As for the current ones, they're basically Vivzie adding to or explaining more about the series as they already are, so it makes sense that this information is valid (as long as it doesn't contradict the series too much).

I see no need to discard things like character ages or abilities if they are not contradicted.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Pilot episode, Vaggie says that Alastor could erase them. This was before angelic weapons were introduced or that anyone knew that people in hell had them
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1) Vivzie has gone on-record to say that the Pilot is spiritually canon but things may not be fully canon
2) That entire sequence was basically Vaggie gassing Alastor up on pure reputation and the fact that "Ancient Overlords have gone missing due to Alastor"- she's basically flat out assuming Alastor can perma-kill Sinners because how else do you explain their disappearance?

Which we know is some kind of sealing because as of Season 2, one of the chats in Velvet's chatlogs says "I can still hear my relative's screams in his broadcast"- not any form of erasure. Their souls weren't erased, they're stuck inside the broadcast.
WeeklyBattles said:
By WoG demons can die via erasure, which causes their soul to cease existing and the demonic energy that made up their body to either be absorbed by the person who killed them or absorbed into Hell itself
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This only applies to Angelic Weaponry/Angelic Magic. Demons themselves have never been shown to have the ability to erase.

As an aside, I don't get the hate for the Hierarchy chart Viv made. Sure it's old but what actually contradicts it? In fact the show lowkey flat out reinforces the hierarchy. Viv has said Alastor is about on the level of Stolas in Raw Power (Slight edge to Stolas), a Goetic Prince.

Alastor was so strong he utterly flipped the entire Overlord scene on it's head practically overnight with his raw power and is unrivalled, even when weakened by Adam's wound and his Mic being broken, he whooped the #2 Overlord on his ass with low-key relative ease.
So... where's the contradiction??
Alastor is an exception to the Overlord rule and possesses the power of a Mid-Level Goetia and he had so much power that even while weakened with 2 layers of debuffs, he stomped the next strongest Overlord in a fight that wasn't even that close- showing that even weakened Goetia-level person still utterly curbstomps an Overlord with full approval and support of almost every Sinner in Pride.

Sure there are exceptions, particularly in the lower levels (Cherri is a strong Sinner and non-Overlord but she is able to relatively fight with Valentino and get good licks in, I.M.P are almost filled with anomalies such as Millie being too strong to compete and Striker outright calling himself and Blitz out as being heads and shoulders above other Imps) but the higher you go there seems to be less "exceptions", with Alastor being the large exception for Overlords and as far as we know, no "exceptions" for the Goetia.
 
Akreious said:
1) Vivzie has gone on-record to say that the Pilot is spiritually canon but things may not be fully canon
2) That entire sequence was basically Vaggie gassing Alastor up on pure reputation and the fact that "Ancient Overlords have gone missing due to Alastor"- she's basically flat out assuming Alastor can perma-kill Sinners because how else do you explain their disappearance?

Which we know is some kind of sealing because as of Season 2, one of the chats in Velvet's chatlogs says "I can still hear my relative's screams in his broadcast"- not any form of erasure. Their souls weren't erased, they're stuck inside the broadcast.

This only applies to Angelic Weaponry/Angelic Magic. Demons themselves have never been shown to have the ability to erase.

As an aside, I don't get the hate for the Hierarchy chart Viv made. Sure it's old but what actually contradicts it? In fact the show lowkey flat out reinforces the hierarchy. Viv has said Alastor is about on the level of Stolas in Raw Power (Slight edge to Stolas), a Goetic Prince.

Alastor was so strong he utterly flipped the entire Overlord scene on it's head practically overnight with his raw power and is unrivalled, even when weakened by Adam's wound and his Mic being broken, he whooped the #2 Overlord on his ass with low-key relative ease.
So... where's the contradiction??
Alastor is an exception to the Overlord rule and possesses the power of a Mid-Level Goetia and he had so much power that even while weakened with 2 layers of debuffs, he stomped the next strongest Overlord in a fight that wasn't even that close- showing that even weakened Goetia-level person still utterly curbstomps an Overlord with full approval and support of almost every Sinner in Pride.

Sure there are exceptions, particularly in the lower levels (Cherri is a strong Sinner and non-Overlord but she is able to relatively fight with Valentino and get good licks in, I.M.P are almost filled with anomalies such as Millie being too strong to compete and Striker outright calling himself and Blitz out as being heads and shoulders above other Imps) but the higher you go there seems to be less "exceptions", with Alastor being the large exception for Overlords and as far as we know, no "exceptions" for the Goetia.
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"Stolas and Alastor are comparable! Ignore that Andrealphus, who scales to Stolas, gets his big **** off ice dragon trashed by "angelic weapons" while Alastor's magic literally no-sells them"
 
DaReaperMan said:
"Stolas and Alastor are comparable! Ignore that Andrealphus, who scales to Stolas, gets his big **** off ice dragon trashed by "angelic weapons" while Alastor's magic literally no-sells them"
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Nah, obviously Stolas is also another outlier for the Goetia Hierarchy, duh
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
Nah, obviously Stolas is also another outlier for the Goetia Hierarchy, duh
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Funny how 2/3 of the Goetia Hierarchy we actually meet are walking anti-feat generators, and the other third does **** all
 
DaReaperMan said:
"Stolas and Alastor are comparable! Ignore that Andrealphus, who scales to Stolas, gets his big **** off ice dragon trashed by "angelic weapons" while Alastor's magic literally no-sells them"
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Honest question, why does Andrealphus have magic comparable to Stolas?
 
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