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Comparison between Daishinkan from Dragon Ball Heroes vs Gilgamesh.

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Daishinkan 1C (6D infinite) vs Gilgamesh 1C (8D).

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The win condition is that one kills the other, meaning a fight to the death; the winner is the one who kills their opponent.

Who do you think would win?

I will give my opinion here ↓

Honestly, I thought a lot about this matchup in my mind, and I see that Daishinkan would win, and the reason is that Daishinkan possesses these features in his profile ↓

  • Immortality (types 1, 5, 8).
  • Acausality 4.
  • Existence erasure (thought-based — history, time and space [6D], information [type 2], and concept [type 1]).
  • Data and information erasure (type 2).
  • Nothingness erasure (natural type 1, aspects 2 [concept] and 5 [others: history, spacetime, causality, fate, probability, law and logic]).
  • Immortality negation (types 1, 5, 8).
  • Reality manipulation.
  • Conceptual manipulation (type 1).
  • Information analysis.
  • Time travel.
  • Stamina reduction.
  • Status effect inducement (paralysis; by reducing his opponents’ stamina to zero, the Grand Priest can disable all their abilities and powers, making them unable to act [63]).
  • Causality manipulation and fate manipulation.
  • Power nullification and purification (types 1 and 2 [thought-based]).

These are some of the reasons that made me vote for Daishinkan directly; personally, I can’t believe Daishinkan is this powerful he is the only character across all versions of Dragon Ball who possesses all these massive abilities.




Votes:

Grand Priest vote:

Gilgamesh vote:
 
Azertyhuuh said:
  • Immortality (types 1, 5, 8).
  • Acausality 4.
  • Existence erasure (thought-based — history, time and space [6D], information [type 2], and concept [type 1]).
  • Data and information erasure (type 2).
  • Nothingness erasure (natural type 1, aspects 2 [concept] and 5 [others: history, spacetime, causality, fate, probability, law and logic]).
  • Immortality negation (types 1, 5, 8).
  • Reality manipulation.
  • Conceptual manipulation (type 1).
  • Information analysis.
  • Time travel.
  • Stamina reduction.
  • Status effect inducement (paralysis; by reducing his opponents’ stamina to zero, the Grand Priest can disable all their abilities and powers, making them unable to act [63]).
  • Causality manipulation and fate manipulation.
  • Power nullification and purification (types 1 and 2 [thought-based]).
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Gilgamesh (Archer)'s resistance page:
Resistance to Animal Manipulation, Elemental Manipulation (Fire, Water, Air, Electricity, etc), Power Bestowal, Void Manipulation, Existence Erasure, Statistics Reduction, Conceptual Manipulation, Size Manipulation, Probability Manipulation, Clairvoyance, Precognition, Damage Reduction, Death Manipulation, BFR, Reality Warping, Time Manipulation, Causality Manipulation, Spatial Manipulation, Law Manipulation, Memory Manipulation, Resistance Negation, Poison Manipulation, Energy Manipulation, Power Nullification, Light Manipulation, Aura, Disease Manipulation, Pain Manipulation, Statistics Amplification, Necromancy, Absolute Zero, Transmutation, Data Manipulation, Matter Manipulation, Information Manipulation, Gravity Manipulation, Life Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, Illusion Creation, Dimensional Manipulation, Fear Manipulation, Paralysis Inducement, Corrosion Inducement, Fusionism, Space-Time Manipulation, Sense Manipulation, Perception Manipulation, Power Mimicry, Sleep Manipulation, Empathic Manipulation, Shapeshifting, Sealing, Reactive Evolution, Reactive Power Level, Subjective Reality, Acid Manipulation, Chaos Manipulation, Physics Manipulation, Deconstruction, Possession, Immersion, Cosmic Awareness, Madness Manipulation (Type 3), Attack Reflection, Explosion Manipulation, Unholy Manipulation, Chain Manipulation, Supernatural Luck, Supernatural Willpower, Social Influencing, Retrocognition, Homing Attack, Extrasensory Perception, Enhanced Senses, Fragrance Manipulation, Weather Manipulation, Power Absorption, Dream Manipulation, Power Modification, Corruption (Types 1 & 2), Black Hole Creation & Vibration Manipulation
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This basically contains everything in there, no? (Except information analysis and stamina reduction :d)
 
First off, Gilgamesh's page is outdated, so he can't really be used right now. Second off, as of right now, Gilgamesh has layered (how many is currently undefined) resistance basically all of Grand Priest's abilities on an 8D scale, so Grand Priest's abilities won't affect him. Third off, and this is the elephant in the room, Gilgamesh has 8D AP while Grand Priest has 6D AP, meaning that Gilgamesh is essentially infinitely stronger than the Grand Priest, which means the Grand Priest can't really do anything to Gilgamesh.

This could be closer if you use 6D Gilgamesh instead, but again, since his page has the outdated tag on it, he can't be used in matches, as far as I am aware.

MrTayman616 said:
Gilgamesh (Archer)'s resistance page:

This basically contains everything in there, no? (Except information analysis and stamina reduction :d)
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I'm kind of surprised he doesn't resist information analysis. He probably should, but it's not like it matters very much.
 
Yea someone shift this to Fun and Games.
Azertyhuuh said:
Daishinkan 1C (6D infinite) vs Gilgamesh 1C (8D).
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I get what you are trying to do “In my previous thread you guys said hax is more important than stats” but now you are saying that stats matter well before you say that I wanna say that both of them matters, Gil not only has better stats but also resists everything that GP has and can throw more at GP like read up on the pages also Fate stuff is outdated so you should consult verse supporters first.
 
Cipher72 said:
Yea someone shift this to Fun and Games.

I get what you are trying to do “In my previous thread you guys said hax is more important than stats” but now you are saying that stats matter well before you say that I wanna say that both of them matters, Gil not only has better stats but also resists everything that GP has and can throw more at GP like read up on the pages also Fate stuff is outdated so you should consult verse supporters first.
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This is a personal opinion.

I have followed the Fate series in all its versions, and I swear to you that Gilgamesh is not strong. He does not have immeasurable speed; his speed is just like any normal speed, and there are characters from his series now classified, I think, at city level or lower with the same speed. Only on this forum do you find that speed is measured by the character’s tier, haha, what nonsense is this?? If I hadn’t watched the series I would have believed it, but I did watch it, and he doesn’t even have speed close to the speed of light itself; even movement takes a billion years, and walking means the speed of a normal character. I don’t know how this is immeasurable speed unless it’s related to something I don’t know; otherwise he’s just a turtle, and even characters in his own series at city level match him in speed and can fight him as well. Other than that, everything people say remains just emotion.

You say that Daishinkan needs an eight-dimensional attack to kill him? Who told you that? The characters there themselves die from attacks not even at wall level, and there is also a character from that series who is likewise eight-dimensional and died from a normal stab with a sword just a knife from a human, believe it or not, from a human only, and even wall-level attacks in his series affect them, and at most a city- or island-level strike would be lethal for them… I don’t know where all this thinking came from, but I watched the works and I know everything. Attack power has nothing to do with durability; even if he possesses a weapon capable of destroying universes, it doesn’t mean the durability is at universe level or that he isn’t affected by lower-level attacks—he is affected. Even Anos Voldigoad, who can crush infinite worlds and sometimes withstand universes being stepped on, is still affected by city- or wall-level attacks even at the beginning of the series; everyone who came stabbed him, everyone who came pierced him, everyone who came threw him.

Daishinkan is faster than him in an unimaginable way and stronger than him in an unimaginable way, and he has experience, abilities, and capabilities; meaning anyone who watched the series and you tell them Gilgamesh is stronger than Daishinkan outside this forum will laugh to death believe me, they will laugh. Even I laughed; I watched the series because of this Gilgamesh you talk about every day. Believe me, I was waiting for something special and I didn’t see anything from him until the end of the series, and I kept saying maybe he’s hiding something or some power, and in the end the series finished and I didn’t understand anything and didn’t see anything worth mentioning.

Daishinkan, if he entered the Fate world, in reality just a single snap of his fingers would be enough to erase all the characters and everything that exists there. Imagine that there is someone who thinks Daishinkan would lose to these characters something that cannot even be imagined. Characters that, when you watch them, seem at wall or city level with small fights, and when you see their classification you find them at high tiers with immeasurable speed and doing this and that, meaning you don’t understand anything. But anyway, this site, as Rainer thanked before, is not a site specialized in measuring characters’ power but in cataloging characters, so Daishinkan in true power logically wins against this entire verse. Since they here are not specialized in measuring power, this explains everything and why we have these questions. So the problem is not me or the fans on Reddit or TikTok; they just don’t understand how the forum and the standards work. They don’t know that it is specialized in indexing, not in the actual correct power scaling without these standards that also restrict a character’s true level of power.
 
Who cares about scaling of the characters outside the wiki lol. Vs wiki match-ups use the stats of character's on the profile. I know jackshit about Fate Zero (Because it looks boring), but if the profile says he's 8D, he'd treated as 8D for the match-up. She he one-shots, and takes zero damage.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
This is a personal opinion.

I have followed the Fate series in all its versions, and I swear to you that Gilgamesh is not strong. He does not have immeasurable speed; his speed is just like any normal speed, and there are characters from his series now classified, I think, at city level or lower with the same speed. Only on this forum do you find that speed is measured by the character’s tier, haha, what nonsense is this?? If I hadn’t watched the series I would have believed it, but I did watch it, and he doesn’t even have speed close to the speed of light itself; even movement takes a billion years, and walking means the speed of a normal character. I don’t know how this is immeasurable speed unless it’s related to something I don’t know; otherwise he’s just a turtle, and even characters in his own series at city level match him in speed and can fight him as well. Other than that, everything people say remains just emotion.

You say that Daishinkan needs an eight-dimensional attack to kill him? Who told you that? The characters there themselves die from attacks not even at wall level, and there is also a character from that series who is likewise eight-dimensional and died from a normal stab with a sword just a knife from a human, believe it or not, from a human only, and even wall-level attacks in his series affect them, and at most a city- or island-level strike would be lethal for them… I don’t know where all this thinking came from, but I watched the works and I know everything. Attack power has nothing to do with durability; even if he possesses a weapon capable of destroying universes, it doesn’t mean the durability is at universe level or that he isn’t affected by lower-level attacks—he is affected. Even Anos Voldigoad, who can crush infinite worlds and sometimes withstand universes being stepped on, is still affected by city- or wall-level attacks even at the beginning of the series; everyone who came stabbed him, everyone who came pierced him, everyone who came threw him.

Daishinkan is faster than him in an unimaginable way and stronger than him in an unimaginable way, and he has experience, abilities, and capabilities; meaning anyone who watched the series and you tell them Gilgamesh is stronger than Daishinkan outside this forum will laugh to death believe me, they will laugh. Even I laughed; I watched the series because of this Gilgamesh you talk about every day. Believe me, I was waiting for something special and I didn’t see anything from him until the end of the series, and I kept saying maybe he’s hiding something or some power, and in the end the series finished and I didn’t understand anything and didn’t see anything worth mentioning.

Daishinkan, if he entered the Fate world, in reality just a single snap of his fingers would be enough to erase all the characters and everything that exists there. Imagine that there is someone who thinks Daishinkan would lose to these characters something that cannot even be imagined. Characters that, when you watch them, seem at wall or city level with small fights, and when you see their classification you find them at high tiers with immeasurable speed and doing this and that, meaning you don’t understand anything. But anyway, this site, as Rainer thanked before, is not a site specialized in measuring characters’ power but in cataloging characters, so Daishinkan in true power logically wins against this entire verse. Since they here are not specialized in measuring power, this explains everything and why we have these questions. So the problem is not me or the fans on Reddit or TikTok; they just don’t understand how the forum and the standards work. They don’t know that it is specialized in indexing, not in the actual correct power scaling without these standards that also restrict a character’s true level of power.
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What people outside the wiki think is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is, by what is on their profiles, Gilgamesh is infinitely stronger, and seemingly resists all of GP's hax. Unless the latter has layered abilities beyond what Gil can handle, this is a stomp.

You have already been warned about making matches like this.
 
LaserPrecision said:
Because it looks boring
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Yea no that's enough, You don't get to throw strays at peak Fiction also I agree.
Azertyhuuh said:
I have followed the Fate series in all its versions, and I swear to you that Gilgamesh is not strong
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Before we move further
VN is not anime I can honestly see why an anime only would think like that but I can assure you there's a reason behind why Gil is indexed with 8-D AP and all of these haxes, now whether that reasoning is valid or not is to be determined but I would suggest waiting until the verse gets fixed to further inquire about it also you can just debunk it then.
 
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