Adventure Time Scaling Revision

[Hellformer]

Upgrade CRT when? I'm genuinely interested to see tier 1 upgrade for the verse.

 

[Aolphl]

This is not a bump

I will give my answer when I free, currently I have some real life issues

Upgrade CRT when? I'm genuinely interested to see tier 1 upgrade for the verse.

Currently we (at least me) doesn't have tier 1 upgrade plans in close future, cuz literally most of AT profiles is really, really trash, if nothing goes wrong, I will start revisions for this verse in end of February or start of March, if you interested, i'll let you know

 

[Hellformer]

I will give my answer when I free, currently I have some real life issues

Currently we (at least me) doesn't have tier 1 upgrade plans in close future, cuz literally most of AT profiles is really, really trash, if nothing goes wrong, I will start revisions for this verse in end of February or start of March, if you interested, i'll let you know

I do have reasonable 5-D argument for the multiverse but that comes from the comic and I'm not sure about it's canonicity. Eagerly waiting for your CRTs!

 

[Aolphl]

I do have reasonable 5-D argument for the multiverse but that comes from the comic and not sure about it's canonicity. Eagerly waiting for your CRTs!

I see, if you gonna talk about these, you can talk me if you want, my DC nickname is same as my vsbw nickname

 

[MysticBrawler]

Bump

 

[MysticBrawler]

Bump

 

[Aolphl]

I'm writing this for second time cuz the site deleted all of my stuff

That interpretation seems a little too generous for me considering the episode itself just shows the Vampire Essence turning into a cloud monster, so even if that were true I'd still say it's only worth a "Possibly".

So what did you expect, a destruction of entire universe and ending of the series? These two episode's whole point was that cloud/living-being (or whatever is that) thing can kaboom an entire universe and people was trying to stop this. On top of those, we have bunch of Low 2-C feats and that just one of them.

No those aren't UES CRTs. They're at best "Verse-Specific Powers" CRTs since KIngTempest just lists a bunch of abilities that all wizards would share while not mention anything UES related aside from the Cosmic Imagination being the source of all magic. Also no that wasn't physical power. Finn was clearly using a giant energy-hand to try and lift the place so that wouldn't scale to his physicals. Also it was specifically stated by Abracadaniel himself that the reason he survived was because "his body was squishy", and he clearly didn't use magic to make his body soft since he got hit before he could cast any spell.

These two CRTs single-handly (not at all though) showing us magic works on UES. Like saying magic not giving physical stats is actually crazy cuz everything, literally EVERYTHING works on magic. Jake's and Cake's stretch powers works on magic and they getting physical stats Witch Wizard after absorbing green magic she is not just fighting against Huntress with powers, but physical ways, Huntress describing FW's Hunter as her weaker version cuz Hunter is literally "magicless", we know that Fionna World's people are weaker than their past versions cuz they literally has no magic anymore, and there's so much more things happening in the verse, these all of that result of UES

No they were just trying to escape the Dead World since it's destruction would leave them with nothing to stand on, and thus resulting in them falling into the void.

Definitely they're not trying to survive Joshua, Margaret and Jermaine with that purpose. New Death's purpose was destroying all of Dead Worlds and residents to stop the reincarnation. The Undertakers is directly following this purpose with destroying the world. Also not just Joshua, Margaret and Jermaine living in 45th Dead World cuz this place not special for them, there's another people living there too. If we don't have any proof that this explosion not effecting residents, I will take this an AP (for The Undertakers and all of Deaths) and Durability (for Finn, The Undertakers and all of Deaths)

If that's the case then that wouldn't that mean that all of his stats(aside from his AP) should just be listed as unknown since he doesn't have anything to scale to?

I don't see any reason to do that

My point still stands as like I said above those CRTs you listed aren't UES CRTs so the Magwood still wouldn't physically scale here.

Like I can't understand anything with that, if part of my body is much enough to destroy a building, I would scale this feat too

Uh no, Princess Bubblegum had no knowledge regarding Elementals at that point in the show, which is why she was surprised when Patience St.Pim showed her that she had powers,

Then why she was trying to stop Finn from kissing Flame Queen? She stated Elemental Matrix can't handle romance, this would cost something really bad. She has enough knowledge about Elementals, she just don't know how to use their powers

she's clearly disinterested in magic so there's no reason to assume that she would know anything about how the Crown was made so her word can't be used as evidence here.

She literally casting spell buddy, she just don't love magic, she is just woman of science

 

[MysticBrawler]

I'm writing this for second time cuz the site deleted all of my stuff

So what did you expect, a destruction of entire universe and ending of the series? These two episode's whole point was that cloud/living-being (or whatever is that) thing can kaboom an entire universe and people was trying to stop this. On top of those, we have bunch of Low 2-C feats and that just one of them.

I expected the gravity of the situation to be reflected by the characters reactions. The way Princess Bubblegum made that remark and the other characters subsequent reactions to the Vampiric Essence becoming a cloud monster seem a little too casual for me to think that this is something that's supposed to be as dangerous as a 4D blackhole.

These two CRTs single-handly (not at all though) showing us magic works on UES. Like saying magic not giving physical stats is actually crazy cuz everything, literally EVERYTHING works on magic. Jake's and Cake's stretch powers works on magic and they getting physical stats Witch Wizard after absorbing green magic she is not just fighting against Huntress with powers, but physical ways, Huntress describing FW's Hunter as her weaker version cuz Hunter is literally "magicless", we know that Fionna World's people are weaker than their past versions cuz they literally has no magic anymore, and there's so much more things happening in the verse, these all of that result of UES

As I said in a previous post even if we assume that Magic in Adventure time was a UES it would only be either a Limited Energy System or a Non-Physical Energy System at best so a character's physical wouldn't automatically scale to it either way.

Definitely they're not trying to survive Joshua, Margaret and Jermaine with that purpose. New Death's purpose was destroying all of Dead Worlds and residents to stop the reincarnation. The Undertakers is directly following this purpose with destroying the world. Also not just Joshua, Margaret and Jermaine living in 45th Dead World cuz this place not special for them, there's another people living there too. If we don't have any proof that this explosion not effecting residents, I will take this an AP (for The Undertakers and all of Deaths) and Durability (for Finn, The Undertakers and all of Deaths)

Hmm, I don't know about that. I seems to me that New Death is just destroying the Dead Worlds so that all of the residents will be transported to the remaining one, so I don't see why he'd need to target any of the inhabitants to achieve his goal.

I don't see any reason to do that

If the only instance of Hunson being at full power is unreliable then that means he can't physically scale to Finn or anyone else for that matter so all of his stats would have to be listed as "Unknown"

Like I can't understand anything with that, if part of my body is much enough to destroy a building, I would scale this feat too

The Benders in ATLA don't physically scale to their powers so clearly that's not the standard assumption. It has to be proven that there is an in-universe mechanic that can allow characters to physically scale to their powers.

Then why she was trying to stop Finn from kissing Flame Queen? She stated Elemental Matrix can't handle romance, this would cost something really bad. She has enough knowledge about Elementals, she just don't know how to use their powers

False equivalence. Her being knowledgeable regarding the Flame Kingdom does not mean that she would be familiar about the Elements as they were in magic/the distant past especially since she was born thousands of years after that and has closed herself off to magic for most of her life.

She literally casting spell buddy, she just don't love magic, she is just woman of science

You're kidding, right?

 

[MysticBrawler]

Bump

 

[MysticBrawler]

Bump

 

[Aolphl]

I expected the gravity of the situation to be reflected by the characters reactions. The way Princess Bubblegum made that remark and the other characters subsequent reactions to the Vampiric Essence becoming a cloud monster seem a little too casual for me to think that this is something that's supposed to be as dangerous as a 4D blackhole.

Well, firstly the black hole thing is very strange case cuz Finn stated (while wearing Nerdicon Glasses) that black hole beyond space and time and also stated that black hole is 4-D, I don't actually know how things working in here and I don't know what we can with that black hole thing but that could be a Tier 2 thing. Secondly, comparing these two thing is actually pointless cuz the whole Ooo was trying to stop this Vampire Essence, but only Finn, Jake and PB was trying to deal with that black hole.

As I said in a previous post even if we assume that Magic in Adventure time was a UES it would only be either a Limited Energy System or a Non-Physical Energy System at best so a character's physical wouldn't automatically scale to it either way.

After all of that thing if your thoughts are not changing I can't help you, but last thing last, can clearly seen when the witch take Jake's powers Jake become very weak, when Magic Man lost his powers he become weak, when Ice King lost his powers he become weak, when the entire Fionna Universe lost its magic the characters become weak, when Marceline lost her powers she become weak (Vampire King too), Lich getting strength when he is absorbing Mushroom Bomb's essence (actually that's essence is Lich's essence) which is magic-based thing, also in F&C's season finale Huntress saved Finn with her other version and the characters like Pep and Blaine implied Finn become more strengthen, these are only things I remember, there's many more things shown in verse, this is the last thing I replying in this issue.

Hmm, I don't know about that. I seems to me that New Death is just destroying the Dead Worlds so that all of the residents will be transported to the remaining one, so I don't see why he'd need to target any of the inhabitants to achieve his goal.

Nope, he stated that he wanna destroy everything

New Death: I'm doing my own thing. Getting rid of all these pointless dead worlds, butt-droppin' souls, breaking the wheel of rein-- reincarnation. It's gonna be sick.

- Transcript -

If the only instance of Hunson being at full power is unreliable then that means he can't physically scale to Finn or anyone else for that matter so all of his stats would have to be listed as "Unknown"

Then good luck to you downgrading every single character in fiction. Also I just remembered that he fighted and kinda wrestled with Marcy who power-filled with Vampire Essence, yeah he physically scaling Marceline.

The Benders in ATLA don't physically scale to their powers so clearly that's not the standard assumption. It has to be proven that there is an in-universe mechanic that can allow characters to physically scale to their powers.

I don't know about the Benders cuz I never been in ATLA, but my point is still same. Also in F&C's season one finale when Simon trying to back Ooo, he accidentally tapped a Universe which is ruling by Magwood, so yeah he is more than we talking here

False equivalence. Her being knowledgeable regarding the Flame Kingdom does not mean that she would be familiar about the Elements as they were in magic/the distant past especially since she was born thousands of years after that and has closed herself off to magic for most of her life.

There's so many difference here between "Flame Queen can't handle romance" and "Elemental Matrix can't handle romance" pal

 

[MysticBrawler]

Well, firstly the black hole thing is very strange case cuz Finn stated (while wearing Nerdicon Glasses) that black hole beyond space and time and also stated that black hole is 4-D, I don't actually know how things working in here and I don't know what we can with that black hole thing but that could be a Tier 2 thing. Secondly, comparing these two thing is actually pointless cuz the whole Ooo was trying to stop this Vampire Essence, but only Finn, Jake and PB was trying to deal with that black hole.

This actually further supports my point as if this really was a Tier 2 threat then the only ones should be able to do anything are the top tiers not cannon fodder like the Banana Guards.

After all of that thing if your thoughts are not changing I can't help you, but last thing last, can clearly seen when the witch take Jake's powers Jake become very weak, when Magic Man lost his powers he become weak, when Ice King lost his powers he become weak, when the entire Fionna Universe lost its magic the characters become weak, when Marceline lost her powers she become weak (Vampire King too), Lich getting strength when he is absorbing Mushroom Bomb's essence (actually that's essence is Lich's essence) which is magic-based thing, also in F&C's season finale Huntress saved Finn with her other version and the characters like Pep and Blaine implied Finn become more strengthen, these are only things I remember, there's many more things shown in verse, this is the last thing I replying in this issue.

Your ignoring a lot of context here. Jake's power's are not magic and I'm not sure if Marceline(or any of of the vampires) abilities would even count as magic either. The Ice King became weak when he lost his magic because he started to rapidly age not because his physical strength literally came from his magic. And as I've said in the OP the Lich shouldn't physically scale to his powers either.

Nope, he stated that he wanna destroy everything

- Transcript -

And he does that by destroying the Dead World not by targeting any of the resisdents.

Then good luck to you downgrading every single character in fiction. Also I just remembered that he fighted and kinda wrestled with Marcy who power-filled with Vampire Essence, yeah he physically scaling Marceline.

Hmm ok that might work. Though if that's true then that would further prove that he doesn't physically scale to 2-A.

I don't know about the Benders cuz I never been in ATLA, but my point is still same. Also in F&C's season one finale when Simon trying to back Ooo, he accidentally tapped a Universe which is ruling by Magwood, so yeah he is more than we talking here

OK my point still stands though.

There's so many difference here between "Flame Queen can't handle romance" and "Elemental Matrix can't handle romance" pal

Her understanding the Flame people's biology does not mean that she understands the Elements as they were in magic. Again that is false equivalence.

 

[MysticBrawler]

Bump

 

[Aolphl]

This actually further supports my point as if this really was a Tier 2 threat then the only ones should be able to do anything are the top tiers not cannon fodder like the Banana Guards.

I don't actually understand what you mean by that

Jake's power's are not magic

Oh really? Do you know what is this episode's whole point? Do you know what Billy implied saying this to Finn? Do you know what Jake said for himself? Plus, when FW's magic gone, Cake's powers also gone, and Cake is alternate counterpart of Jake.

I'm not sure if Marceline(or any of of the vampires) abilities would even count as magic either.

Similarly as Cake situation, when FW's magic gone, Marshall's powers also gone, so yeah Vampire stuff is magic-based thing.

The Ice King became weak when he lost his magic because he started to rapidly age not because his physical strength literally came from his magic.

I'm talking about finale bro, not the Betty episode

And as I've said in the OP the Lich shouldn't physically scale to his powers either.

What? So we ignoring the fact Lich getting strength when he absorbs magic because of getting cut by grass sword, which is actually scaling to him? Nah nah, that's ridiculous

And he does that by destroying the Dead World not by targeting any of the resisdents.

Asking kindly, what do you understand with "butt-droppin' souls" and why would the Undertakers trying to survive Finn's parents if that's explosions doesn't affect residents?

Hmm ok that might work. Though if that's true then that would further prove that he doesn't physically scale to 2-A.

Like yeah, he is not going 2-A cuz Marceline is not 2-A and no one who he is scaling is not 2-A, cuz Marceline and his equals (sort of) going Low 2-C.

Her understanding the Flame people's biology does not mean that she understands the Elements as they were in magic. Again that is false equivalence.

Show me a proof Flame Kingdom's people can capable of something as Elemental Flame Queen can capable of. The fact that if they can capable something as Elemental Flame Queen, it would be most stupid thing ever to restrict it only Flame Queen.

 

[MysticBrawler]

I don't actually understand what you mean by that

It's simply really. A high-tier threat(Especially one that supposedly physically scale to tier 2) can/should only be be able to be harmed by those who have equal(or greater) power than them. With that said, the fact that civilians and inconsequential fodder like can even do anything to it at all already makes said scaling dubios.

Oh really? Do you know what is this episode's whole point? Do you know what Billy implied saying this to Finn? Do you know what Jake said for himself? Plus, when FW's magic gone, Cake's powers also gone, and Cake is alternate counterpart of Jake.

Okay and? It's already a proven that Jake's powers are not magic but rather a mutation just like Princess Bubblegum said so that pior info is now completely outdated. Plus Cake is in no way comparable to Jake as the former was explicitly created to be magic by Prismo, while the latter was confirmed to get his powers from his alien genetics.

Similarly as Cake situation, when FW's magic gone, Marshall's powers also gone, so yeah Vampire stuff is magic-based thing.

Again not comparable as it's made clear that the reason Fionna World needed to sustained by Ice Kings magic was because it wasn't connected to the Multiverse.

I'm talking about finale bro, not the Betty episode

Ok, my point still stands though whic is that Ice King's physical capabilities aren't tied to his magic.

What? So we ignoring the fact Lich getting strength when he absorbs magic because of getting cut by grass sword, which is actually scaling to him? Nah nah, that's ridiculous

Last time I checked the Grass Sword was scaling to Orgalorg who absorbed the power of the Catalyst Comet.

Asking kindly, what do you understand with "butt-droppin' souls" and why would the Undertakers trying to survive Finn's parents if that's explosions doesn't affect residents?

Because the destruction of the Dead World they're currently on will result in them falling to the void.

Like yeah, he is not going 2-A cuz Marceline is not 2-A and no one who he is scaling is not 2-A, cuz Marceline and his equals (sort of) going Low 2-C.

Okay glad we agreed on that.

Show me a proof Flame Kingdom's people can capable of something as Elemental Flame Queen can capable of. The fact that if they can capable something as Elemental Flame Queen, it would be most stupid thing ever to restrict it only Flame Queen.

They can't which is exactly my point. There's no way Princess Bubblegum could have knowledge regarding the Fire Element as none of the Flame Kingdom has ever displayed it's power prior to Patience St.Pim's introduction so her word can't be used as a reliable source.

 

[MrSpockVulcan]

The current scaling is strange, characters scaling to tier 2 based on statements about characters who don't have any feats that even reach tier 7.

We're ignoring Jake fighting the Lich in "crossover".

We're ignoring Finn surviving inside a black hole and powering a machine that could turn the Earth upside down in season two.

We're ignoring everything involving Scarab scaling to the main cast and Prismo.

 

[MysticBrawler]

The current scaling is strange, characters scaling to tier 2 based on statements about characters who don't have any feats that even reach tier 7.

We're ignoring Jake fighting the Lich in "crossover".

We're ignoring Finn surviving inside a black hole and powering a machine that could turn the Earth upside down in season two.

We're ignoring everything involving Scarab scaling to the main cast and Prismo.

Well that why I made this CRT to revise the scaling chain. Now we just need some staff to evaluate this.

 

[MrSpockVulcan]

Well that why I made this CRT to revise the scaling chain. Now we just need some staff to evaluate this.

You said you agreed with the Low 2C scale of the vampire essence but didn't mention who scales it, which is a problem since it's not mentioned in the profiles.

The Lich's anti-feat isn't valid since Finn used his weakness against the "power of love".

Hunson's anti-feat is also strange since he fought Marceline (who will be Low 2C if the vampire essence scale is accepted).

 

[MysticBrawler]

You said you agreed with the Low 2C scale of the vampire essence but didn't mention who scales it, which is a problem since it's not mentioned in the profiles.

I don't think anyone besides Marceline would scale to it, and even then it would probably only scale to her AP at best.

The Lich's anti-feat isn't valid since Finn used his weakness against the "power of love".

While it's true that Finn's sweater was able to negate The Lich's magic since it was supposedly imbued with the "power of love" , it was neither stated nor implied that The Lich was ever physically weakened by it nor was it ever specified to be a weakness by Princess Bubblegum herself.

Hunson's anti-feat is also strange since he fought Marceline (who will be Low 2C if the vampire essence scale is accepted).

Yeah and I already agreed with that argument.

 

[MrSpockVulcan]

I don't think anyone besides Marceline would scale to it, and even then it would probably only scale to her AP at best.

While it's true that Finn's sweater was able to negate The Lich's magic since it was supposedly imbued with the "power of love" , it was neither stated nor implied that The Lich was ever physically weakened by it nor was it ever specified to be a weakness by Princess Bubblegum herself.

Yeah and I already agreed with that argument.

The vampire king scale, and in the encyclopedia, Hunson says that the Lich is the second most powerful evil entity in the universe and his rival.

The Lich scale above the vampire king.

 

[MrSpockVulcan]

Finn also literally used the coat to destroy the Lich; the same coat was imbued with the "power of love."

 

[MrSpockVulcan]

Hunson also says in the encyclopedia that Orgalog is his equal, so he also scales to low 2C

 

[MysticBrawler]

The vampire king scale, and in the encyclopedia, Hunson says that the Lich is the second most powerful evil entity in the universe and his rival.

The Lich scale above the vampire king.

The vampire king would scale to it, but as I said in the OP the Vampire Essence would only be possibly Low 2-C and it wouldn't scale to anything besides his AP. Hunson also wouldn't physically scale to Low 2-C as in his fight with Marceline he didn't get hit even once so there's no basis for it him physically scaling to Low 2-C, therefore he(and by extension The Lich) would still only physically scale to 5-A(or a lower calculation if that isn't viable)

 

[MysticBrawler]

Hunson also says in the encyclopedia that Orgalog is his equal, so he also scales to low 2C

I'm pretty sure that statement was referring to Pre-Comet Absorption Orgalorg, in which case he would still physically scale to 5-A either way.

 

[MysticBrawler]

Finn also literally used the coat to destroy the Lich; the same coat was imbued with the "power of love."

My point still stands. There is nothing stating/implying that The Lich was ever physically weakened by the "power of love" so his physical would therefore remain unaffected even when Finn jammed the sweater into his eye sockets.

 

[MrSpockVulcan]

The vampire king would scale to it, but as I said in the OP the Vampire Essence would only be possibly Low 2-C and it wouldn't scale to anything besides his AP. Hunson also wouldn't physically scale to Low 2-C as in his fight with Marceline he didn't get hit even once so there's no basis for it him physically scaling to Low 2-C, therefore he(and by extension The Lich) would still only physically scale to 5-A(or a lower calculation if that isn't viable)

Marceline and the Vampire King fought to a stalemate, with the Vampire King having to kill himself to bite Marceline in order to save his species.

Why didn't the Vampire King destroy Marceline with his AP Low 2C and bite all the humans on the ship? Is he stupid?

Also, Hunson mentions in the encyclopedia that he and Marceline frequently have fights to the death.

 

[MrSpockVulcan]

My point still stands. There is nothing stating/implying that The Lich was ever physically weakened by the "power of love" so his physical would therefore remain unaffected even when Finn jammed the sweater into his eye sockets.

The princess said that Finn wasn't able to hurt the Lich, and then he destroys the Lich using the thing that was negating his magic, which he called "the ultimate weapon against evil."

Was the princess glazing the Lich for no reason?

 

[MysticBrawler]

Marceline and the Vampire King fought to a stalemate, with the Vampire King having to kill himself to bite Marceline in order to save his species.

Why didn't the Vampire King destroy Marceline with his AP Low 2C and bite all the humans on the ship? Is he stupid?

It could simply be that his Low 2-C AP doesn't apply to his striking strength or that Marceline at this point couldn't be killed since she already obtained The Moon's regeneration.

Also, Hunson mentions in the encyclopedia that he and Marceline frequently have fights to the death.

Well they're both immortals so neither of them would die even if they "fight to the death"

 

[MysticBrawler]

The princess said that Finn wasn't able to hurt the Lich, and then he destroys the Lich using the thing that was negating his magic, which he called "the ultimate weapon against evil."

Was the princess glazing the Lich for no reason?

Yeah Finn said that not Princess Bubblegum so it can't be used as a reliable source of information.

 

[MrSpockVulcan]

It could simply be that his Low 2-C AP doesn'tapply to his striking strength or that Marceline at this point couldn't be killed since she already obtained The Moon's regeneration.

Well they're both immortals so neither of them would die even if they "fight to the death"

So upgrade Marceline's regeneration to the point where she can instantly heal from tier 2 attacks during combat, or upgrade her physically to Low 2C, because she clearly had injuries left from the fight with the Vampire King.

 

[MrSpockVulcan]

Yeah Finn said that not Princess Bubblegum so it can't be used as a reliable source of information.

And what about the princess saying that Finn can't hurt the Lich?

 

[MysticBrawler]

So upgrade Marceline's regeneration to the point where she can instantly heal from tier 2 attacks during combat, or upgrade her physically to Low 2C, because she clearly had injuries left from the fight with the Vampire King.

Or his Low 2-C AP can't be applied to his physical strikes since there'snothing stating/implying that Vampire Essence can boost one's physical strength to that level.

 

[MysticBrawler]

And what about the princess saying that Finn can't hurt the Lich?

She literally never said that. What she said was that "There's only one known weapon that can harm the Lich. The Gauntlet of the Hero" , which in turn means that the sweater was never something that Princess Bubblegum intended to be used as a weapon. And even what she said about the Gauntlet turned out to be a false assumption since The Lich was able to effortlessly destroyed it.

 

[MrSpockVulcan]

Or his Low 2-C AP can't be applied to his physical strikes since there'snothing stating/implying that Vampire Essence can boost one's physical strength to that level.

So the guy's magic has a Low 2C AP, but he doesn't use it in combat even when his life and the fate of his species are at stake, and he thought that killing himself to bite her was the only way to save his species despite having magic with a Low 2C AP? Is he stupid?

 

[MrSpockVulcan]

She literally never said that. What she said was that "There's only one known weapon that can harm the Lich. The Gauntlet of the Hero" , which in turn means that the sweater was never something that Princess Bubblegum intended to be used as a weapon. And even what she said about the Gauntlet turned out to be a false assumption since The Lich was able to effortlessly destroyed it.

Why would she give him a weapon saying it's the only thing that can hurt the Lich if Finn can just destroy him?

She thought the weapon would work because Billy used it to defeat him before. Frankly, the Lich should have adaptive evolution since when Finn tries to use the coat against him again, it doesn't work.

 

[MysticBrawler]

So the guy's magic has a Low 2C AP, but he doesn't use it in combat even when his life and the fate of his species are at stake, and he thought that killing himself to bite her was the only way to save his species despite having magic with a Low 2C AP? Is he stupid?

If nothing implies that the Vampire Essence could physically enhance oneself to Low 2-C levels and the Vampire King doesn't have any kind of physical enhancement ability then he wouldn't be able to use his Low 2-C AP even if he wanted to.

 

[MysticBrawler]

Why would she give him a weapon saying it's the only thing that can hurt the Lich if Finn can just destroy him?

She thought the weapon would work because Billy used it to defeat him before. Frankly, the Lich should have adaptive evolution since when Finn tries to use the coat against him again, it doesn't work.

It's a little doubtful how much help the Gauntlet really was considering the flashback showed Billy kicking The Lich into the amber cave and never shown him punching and/or blasting him with the Gauntlet.

 

[Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh]

Following

 

[MrSpockVulcan]

If nothing implies that the Vampire Essence could physically enhance oneself to Low 2-C levels and the Vampire King doesn't have any kind of physical enhancement ability then he wouldn't be able to use his Low 2-C AP even if he wanted to.

The vampire king having a Low 2C AP that he's unable to use in combat doesn't make sense unless you want to classify the feat as environmental destruction.

 

[MrSpockVulcan]

It's a little doubtful how much help the Gauntlet really was considering the flashback showed Billy kicking The Lich into the amber cave and never shown him punching and/or blasting him with the Gauntlet.

The gauntlet belonged to Billy, Billy defeated the Lich, and she thought the only thing capable of hurting the Lich was the gauntlet. It seems quite obvious that she witnessed the gauntlet hurting the Lich, unless you consider that Billy carries a gauntlet incomparably weaker than himself and she thought it would work despite it not having done anything to the Lich last time.