Tohru Vs All For One (Dragon Maid Vs My Hero Academia)

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Tohru Vs All For One

Post-A Lonely Dragon Wants To Be Loved Arc Tohru will be used
Attack Potency: At most 21.9 Teratons of TNT
Durability: At most 21.9 Teratons of TNT
Lifting Strength: Class T

Final War Arc All For One will be used
Attack Potency: 18.65 Teratons of TNT, 27.97 Teratons of TNT with Rewind Drug, Higher with Omni-Factor Unleash
Durability: 18.65 Teratons of TNT, 27.97 Teratons of TNT with Rewind Drug
Lifting Strength: Class P

Fight takes place in Saitama, Japan
Tohru has access to Holy Sword
Speed is equalized

Fight OST:

 

[Machmatej]

are wee fr rn

 

[MrTayman616]

I knew this was coming...

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I knew this was coming...

Volcanica is getting it too dw

 

[MrTayman616]

Volcanica is getting it too dw

Cuz he's a dragon? speciesism fr.

 

[Machmatej]

what are tohru's win cons

 

[Machmatej]

Cuz he's a dragon? speciesism fr.

dragon on dragon violence

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

dragon on dragon violence

Tbf this happens a lot in Dragon Maid

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

what are tohru's win cons

Curse Manipulation

Soul Destruction

Memory Manipulation

BFR

Perception Block?

Endeavor’s flames are hotter than her flames btw

 

[Sooshirohl]

does AFO have any way to deal with getting immediately BFR'd? cause iirc that's something tohru will typically go for first in confrontations to end fights quickly

 

[Machmatej]

Curse Manipulation

how does that even work? her profile just says she curses people to death, but how do they die?

Soul Destruction

good luck. my guy has like 70 different souls inside of him.

Memory Manipulation

i don't see how this is a win con.

BFR

is this even something she does to win fights? the scan in her profile literally says she made a portal just to fight someone in a different place.

Perception Block?

kind of useless, i think. AFO can sense her emotions and her movements via vibrations and disturbances in the air. unless she can turn completely intangible, AFO will still be able to track her.

now, does Tohru resist the illusions and fear manipulation for this fight to even be a thing?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

ow does that even work? her profile just says she curses people to death, but how do they die?

Don’t know. Probably in a similar manner as Fafnir (I don’t know how he does it either)

good luck. my guy has like 70 different souls inside of him.

All are dead fr

don't see how this is a win con.

Erase his memories of everything and forget what he’s even doing in the first place?

is this even something she does to win fights? the scan in her profile literally says she made a portal just to fight someone in a different place.

Yes. She BFRS Ilulu mid fight in the air. Her own standard tactics says this too.

kind of useless, i think. AFO can sense her emotions and her movements via vibrations and disturbances in the air. unless she can turn completely intangible, AFO will still be able to track her.

Perception Block works against Enhanced and Extrasensory perception

 

[Machmatej]

Don’t know. Probably in a similar manner as Fafnir (I don’t know how he does it either)

that doesn't tell me anything

All are dead fr

proof it can target multiple souls at once?

Erase his memories of everything and forget what he’s even doing in the first place?

AFO can sense people's intentions, could use quirks even as a baby, and was literally born evil. so he's instantly just gonna detect the hostility and get the motive to fight. has her memory manipulation even been shown to make people forget literally everything, reducing them to the IQ level of a baby?

Yes. She BFRS Ilulu mid fight in the air. Her own standard tactics says this too.

if he's teleported to another planet, then there's nothing he can do. it would probably better to just make them blood lusted so they both go for the kill and it's not a stomp. but if he's teleported to another city or another continent, he'll either warp back or fly back.

Perception Block works against Enhanced and Extrasensory perception

AFO has a very specific type of enhanced sense that picks up disturbances in the air. she would literally need to be intangible to bypass that.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

that doesn't tell me anything

Its the same has her having the ability to explode people's hearts. I have no idea how she does it.

proof it can target multiple souls at once?

Proof is I said so fr

AFO can sense people's intentions, could use quirks even as a baby, and was literally born evil. so he's instantly just gonna detect the hostility and get the motive to fight. has her memory manipulation even been shown to make people forget literally everything, reducing them to the IQ level of a baby?

Fair

if he's teleported to another planet, then there's nothing he can do. it would probably better to just make them blood lusted so they both go for the kill and it's not a stomp. but if he's teleported to another city or another continent, he'll either warp back or fly back.

Her BFR sends people into the Dragon World dimension.

AFO has a very specific type of enhanced sense that picks up disturbances in the air. she would literally need to be intangible to bypass that.

Dm. Got a question on that.

 

[Machmatej]

Its the same has her having the ability to explode people's hearts. I have no idea how she does it.

then how am i supposed to treat it bro

Her BFR sends people into the Dragon World dimension.

AFO has no counter to that, sadly. best to make them blood lusted with their main intention being killing each other to make it fair. or just make the battle start in the dragon world.

Dm. Got a question on that.

if anyone's curious. we concluded AFO can still track her soul with Search.

 

[Sooshirohl]

tohru's curse manip is too vague for me to really call it a valid wincon, and i doubt her soul stuff would work for the aforementioned reasons. i do think memory manip could probably work though, even if AFO is evil at his core and retains his drive to fight i think literally having his entire identity wiped would at the very least stun him long enough for tohru to just open a portal and BFR him that way, considering they barely take any time at all to form. there's also the possibility of her just opening up a portal mid fight and just trying to knock AFO into it

 

[Machmatej]

there's also the possibility of her just opening up a portal mid fight and just trying to knock AFO into it

AFO would predict this and counter by opening a portal inside of her

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

AFO would predict this and counter by opening a portal inside of her

Ok but she has a touch version of BFR that was used against Clemene

 

[Sooshirohl]

AFO would predict this and counter by opening a portal inside of her

how does that work? if that's something he can do relatively easily could he not just do that frame 1 and win pretty easily that way?

 

[Mommyleona]

Soul Destruction

the justification for her soul destruction is so ahh

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

the justification for her soul destruction is so ahh

Hey I mean it got accepted so LOL

 

[koopa3144]

I think I'm leaning AFO here rn. As peeps have said above, he has ways around her stronger hax like Soul Destruction and Perception Block. BFR could work, but afaik she has to gesture to make portals which AFO could read and avoid. Memory Manipulation manip is def her best bet, but unless Tohru can completely erase his memories, he should still be capable of fighting.

 

[Machmatej]

how does that work? if that's something he can do relatively easily could he not just do that frame 1 and win pretty easily that way?

he can, but it's not something he immediately does. he prefers just beating the shit out of his opponents, so it would probably be used as a last resort here. either that, or the omni factor unleash which would be un-teleportable and would completely wipe her off the map since its a one-shot value above AFO's own tier.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Following (Honestly AFO is such a clown sometimes he has all these quirks but 80% of the time he defaults to hitting harder against opponents on his level like All Might or Endeavor)

But AFO’s arguments look more solid currently.

 

[Sooshirohl]

he can, but it's not something he immediately does. he prefers just beating the shit out of his opponents, so it would probably be used as a last resort here. either that, or the omni factor unleash which would be un-teleportable and would completely wipe her off the map since its a one-shot value above AFO's own tier.

gotcha. been a while since i last read dragon maid or MHA so my knowledge on both is admittedly pretty rusty atm. not home rn but i'll try to type up a lengthier response when i get back

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

he can, but it's not something he immediately does. he prefers just beating the shit out of his opponents, so it would probably be used as a last resort here. either that, or the omni factor unleash which would be un-teleportable and would completely wipe her off the map since its a one-shot value above AFO's own tier.

Mach I don’t think AFO ever “opens a portal inside of her” in a fight or in character at all.

The fight isn’t reaching Omni factor unleash stage either

I think I'm leaning AFO here rn. As peeps have said above, he has ways around her stronger hax like Soul Destruction and Perception Block. BFR could work, but afaik she has to gesture to make portals which AFO could read and avoid. Memory Manipulation manip is def her best bet, but unless Tohru can completely erase his memories, he should still be capable of fighting.

She has used a BFR of Clemene without using a portal before. Idk how AFO could read “she sees her fingers doing a gesture so I must dodge BFR” either. At worse she could just use the touch version.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

She also has clones there’s that

 

[Machmatej]

Mach I don’t think AFO ever “opens a portal inside of her” in a fight or in character at all.

The fight isn’t reaching Omni factor unleash stage either

you're right. i think the fight is over the moment he pops the Rewind drug. Because at that point he's effectively unkillable.

 

[Machmatej]

She also has clones there’s that

are they equal to her in power or is it a shadow clones type of thing where her power is divided between the clones?

 

[Sooshirohl]

i will say at the very least if both are IC here tohru definitely has an advantage in that regard. AFO seems to prefer getting physical first before resorting to his more dangerous hax abilities, whereas tohru will immediately go for hax to try and resolve fights as quickly as possible. if AFO plays around for too long and doesn't go for any of his deadlier abilities quickly enough i can see tohru just getting him with her own hax before he does

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

you're right. i think the fight is over the moment he pops the Rewind drug. Because at that point he's effectively unkillable.

Soul Destruction or Memory manipulation gg ez

are they equal to her in power or is it a shadow clones type of thing where her power is divided between the clones?

I mean the latter isn’t implied at all to function like that. I’d assume the first one? It’s shown it can do the same things as her so there’s that.

 

[Machmatej]

Soul Destruction or Memory manipulation gg ez

i'm still waiting for the proof that her soul destruction can target all of his souls at once, and that memory manipulation can wipe everything to the point AFO is reduced to the iq of a baby.

I mean the latter isn’t implied at all to function like that. I’d assume the first one? It’s shown it can do the same things as her so there’s that.

what's with this verse and these vague ass abilities. does she even use clones to fight? and how many can she make?

 

[koopa3144]

Idk how AFO could read “she sees her fingers doing a gesture so I must dodge BFR” either

As long as he sees it once, it shouldn't be hard for him to correlate her gesture with her making a portal and know to get ready avoid a nearby portal.

At worse she could just use the touch version.

He can keep distance with his ranged attacks, or put up a barrier to keep her away. And if she does get close shes gonna be vulnerable to things like getting paralyzed by Bloodcurdle or potentially Power Absorption from All For One.

 

[Sooshirohl]

i'm still waiting for the proof that her soul destruction can target all of his souls at once, and that memory manipulation can wipe everything to the point AFO is reduced to the iq of a baby.

iirc the guy tohru memory wiped basically just forgot his name and role/occupation. he was introduced later in the manga as being an assistant to one of the side characters despite initially being antagonistic. he also didn't recognize kobayashi despite being the one to directly confront her

he maintained basic functions and whatnot so i don't think the memory manip alone would incap AFO, but i do think having his entire memory wiped is probably gonna catch him off guard and leave him open long enough for tohru to just BFR him

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

He can keep distance with his ranged attacks, or put up a barrier to keep her away.

She can teleport herself and others so theres that

what's with this verse and these vague ass abilities. does she even use clones to fight? and how many can she make?

The verse isn't a shonen or fighting anime. It's a slide of life comedy anime that randomly just has better animated fights than OPM Season 3. That's why.

 

[Machmatej]

iirc the guy tohru memory wiped basically just forgot his name and role/occupation. he was introduced later in the manga as being an assistant to one of the side characters despite initially being antagonistic. he also didn't recognize kobayashi despite being the one to directly confront her

he maintained basic functions and whatnot so i don't think the memory manip alone would incap AFO, but i do think having his entire memory wiped is probably gonna catch him off guard and leave him open long enough for tohru to just BFR him

if all it does is make people forget their name and job, then AFO wouldn't even care and would almost instantly do what he did since he was born, which is fight to kill. he would get confused, sure, but his first instinct would almost immediately be to wipe her out with a rivet stab to the brain or a giant energy blast. that's the first thing he resorted to when he got mildly irritated by all might. he can also read people's intentions, so if the memory wipe and BFR require touch, he'll probably just keep his distance from the start and avoid getting touched with AOE attacks and barriers.

He can keep distance with his ranged attacks, or put up a barrier to keep her away. And if she does get close shes gonna be vulnerable to things like getting paralyzed by Bloodcurdle or potentially Power Absorption from All For One.

this is a good point. no one told me how she gets past the illusions and fear inducement. but even if she does, engaging in a physical fight would almost instantly lead to her bleeding and getting exposed to blood curdle.

and does she have any biological abilities that don't stem from magic? AFO can just snatch those away.

 

[Machmatej]

The verse isn't a shonen or fighting anime. It's a slide of life comedy anime that randomly just has better animated fights than OPM Season 3. That's why.

peak. i'll probably watch this

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

potentially Power Absorption from All For One.

I just saw this.

If we're equating Magic to quirks then Tohru straight up power nulls all his quirks

 

[Machmatej]

I just saw this.

If we're equating Magic to quirks then Tohru straight up power nulls all his quirks

we're not because quirks are biological and not magic-based, or part of any other energy system.

 

[Sooshirohl]

and does she have any biological abilities that don't stem from magic? AFO can just snatch those away.

she has some abilities innately tied to her dragon physiology like fire breathing and flight, if that counts. they're innate powers tied to the dragon species though, would AFO be able to take those away? i feel like that's pretty different from quirks