Susie vs Luffy | Deltarune vs One Piece

[Qurbonboev]

Chapter 3 Susie is used
East Blue Saga Luffy is used
Distance is 20 meters
Speed is equalized
SBA

Susie
AP and Dura: 513 tons
LS: 122.8 million tons

Luffy
AP and Dura: Upscales from 113.73 tons
LS: Upscales from 9.03 million tons

Dragon:

Captain of the Straw Hats:

They became friends(incon):

 

[Steve1775]

Luffy FRB

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Deltarune is going to go through some heavy downgrades
its best this match is put on hold

Those downgrades are in a year or so.

 

[Stefano4444]

Susie its like at least 5 times stronger in terms of AP/Striking Strength and dozens of times in terms of Lifting Strength.

Sure he does upscale but its not quantificable, so was actually stop her from just overpower him?

 

[Qurbonboev]

Deltarune is going to go through some heavy downgrades
its best this match is put on hold

"maybe after Chapter 5 but realistically I don’t see it dropping after 6."

 

[Kachon123]

Sure he does upscale but its not quantificable, so was actually stop her from just overpower him?

Luffy upscales a decent amount from his value and is >2x stronger with his better attacks

 

[Qurbonboev]

Luffy upscales a decent amount from his value and is >2x stronger with his better attacks

Good for him. Susie still has her soulhax, and can endlessly spam healing(mid-low)

 

[Kachon123]

I genuinely don't think she'd be landing any significant blows on Luffy due, and despite the LS gap, Suzie's mass remains what you'd expect from somebody her size so she is still subject to getting launched several kilometers away by Luffy's BFR.

 

[Qurbonboev]

I genuinely don't think she'd be landing any significant blows on Luffy due, and despite the LS gap, Suzie's mass remains what you'd expect from somebody her size so she is still subject to getting launched several kilometers away by Luffy's BFR.

Does his BFR does anything other than just launching somewhere far? Cus several kilometers is literally nothing for hypersonic+ characters
She doesn't need to land any significant blows, just hitting him would be enough for soulhax

 

[Kachon123]

several kilometers is literally nothing for hypersonic+ characters

Unless she has hypersonic+ flight/travel speed, this is irrelevant.

She doesn't need to land any significant blows, just hitting him would be enough for soulhax

Soul hax ≠ instant win. The level of damage dealt is important. Unless Suzie's soul hax has shown to completely destroy the soul with a single hit, all it would look like in battle against someone without resistance would be a type of damage that can't be blocked.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Deltarune is going to go through some heavy downgrades
its best this match is put on hold

Bro is HOPING for that shit lol.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Unless she has hypersonic+ flight/travel speed, this is irrelevant.

We don't have travel/combat speed distinct in Deltarune, so she has hypersonic+ travel speed there

Soul hax ≠ instant win. The level of damage dealt is important. Unless Suzie's soul hax has shown to completely destroy the soul with a single hit, all it would look like in battle against someone without resistance would be a type of damage that can't be blocked.

Deltarune soulhax isn't oneshot. But opponents are forced to have 90 Hp. Susie can beat Kris, roughly equal to her opponent(who has resist to soul damage) in 4 hits.
For soulhax to work Lightners just need to wave their hand(like Noelle does). And such melee attacks have 10+ meters range.

 

[Kachon123]

We don't have travel/combat speed distinct in Deltarune, so she has hypersonic+ travel speed there

That's not how it works. The default assumption is combat and reaction speed, not travel. If Suzie doesn't have hypersonic travel speed feats then you can't grant her that.

Deltarune soulhax isn't oneshot. But opponents are forced to have 90 Hp. Susie can beat Kris, roughly equal to her opponent(who has resist to soul damage) in 4 hits.

I'm not too sure what this means. From my understanding, this just means that they have relatively low hp. Is there any comparison to non-soul damaging attacks?

For soulhax to work Lightners just need to wave their hand(like Noelle does). And such melee attacks have 10+ meters range.

Is it invisible?

 

[Qurbonboev]

That's not how it works. The default assumption is combat and reaction speed, not travel. If Suzie doesn't have hypersonic travel speed feats then you can't grant her that.

This is not site works though. The default assumption is that speed means all of them: combat, travel, reactions.
Btw, what are exact requirements for something to be travel speed feat and not just combat speed (like length of distance crossed, or something else?)

I'm not too sure what this means. From my understanding, this just means that they have relatively low hp. Is there any comparison to non-soul damaging attacks?

Simple: with DR soulhax you kill you equal in stats opponent in 4-5 hits. Someone who is inferior in stats, and doesn't have resist to soul damage would be killed faster.

Is it invisible?

They just appear on top of you. After chapter 1(where Gang still was inexperienced) only peeps who could consistently dodge it, were massively faster than Gang

 

[Kachon123]

This is not site works though. The default assumption is that speed means all of them: combat, travel, reactions.

This is blatantly false.

Simple: with DR soulhax you kill you equal in stats opponent in 4-5 hits. Someone who is inferior in stats, and doesn't have resist to soul damage would be killed faster.

Is there any comparison to non-soul damaging attacks?

Prove this by showing interactions between equals without soul hax.

They just appear on top of you. After chapter 1(where Gang still was inexperienced) only peeps who could consistently dodge it, were massively faster than Gang

So it still required Suzie swinging her axe. Luffy can dodge this due to it being easily telegraphed.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I'm not too sure what this means. From my understanding, this just means that they have relatively low hp. Is there any comparison to non-soul damaging attacks?

It was literally accepted that it works like that, though.

 

[Kachon123]

It was literally accepted that it works like that, though.

Works like what? That it 4 shots people of equal durability?

 

[AmonInChains]

This is not site works though. The default assumption is that speed means all of them: combat, travel, reactions.

what is blud saying lol

 

[Qurbonboev]

Works like what? That it 4 shots people of equal durability?

Yes

So it still required Suzie swinging her axe

It's not strictly necessarily for it to work

This is blatantly false.

Accepting your premise as true, what are requirements to be considered as travel speed(like length of path crossed or what?)

 

[StrymULTRA]

Works like what? That it 4 shots people of equal durability?

Yeah, given that SOUL Magic is different than physical dura, thus it requires less hits to destroy it.

 

[koopa3144]

what are requirements to be considered as travel speed(like length of path crossed or what?)

From the speed page: "The speed at which a character or object can move by running, or through similar means that do not involve flight or teleportation."

 

[Qurbonboev]

From the speed page: "The speed at which a character or object can move by running, or through similar means that do not involve flight or teleportation."

If it's genuinely all things you need for it, case closed. Most speed feats in verse are SOUL running from projectiles, usually at 10 meters distance. So Gang has FTL travel speed.

 

[EtherealCrater]

This is a pretty rough match, I gotta say.

Luffy's AP: ≥113.73 Tons, ≥227.46 Tons with Strongest Attacks.

Susie's AP: 513 Tons, ≥550 Tons with Rude Buster.

Susie already has a 4.51x AP and Durability advantage with base attacks and a 2.41x advantage with strongest attacks.

But Luffy has Reactive Power level, Accelerated Development, Master H2H Combatant, Analytical Prediction and Information Analysis.

While the fight may start out in Susie's favor, Luffy will eventually grow use to her attacks and be capable of dodging them more easily and even eventually match her in power. His possible Stamina advantage also aids him in this fight, being capable of fighting on despite taking such strong attacks.

I think this goes to Luffy, High to Extreme diff.

 

[Qurbonboev]

This is a pretty rough match, I gotta say.

Luffy's AP: ≥113.73 Tons, ≥227.46 Tons with Strongest Attacks.

Susie's AP: 513 Tons, ≥550 Tons with Rude Buster.

Susie already has a 4.51x AP and Durability advantage with base attacks and a 4.83x advantage with strongest attacks.

But Luffy has Reactive Power level, Accelerated Development, Master H2H Combatant, Analytical Prediction and Information Analysis.

While the fight may start out in Susie's favor, Luffy will eventually grow use to her attacks and be capable of dodging them more easily and even eventually match her in power. His possible Stamina advantage also aids him in this fight, being capable of fighting on despite taking such strong attacks.

I think this goes to Luffy, High to Extreme diff.

H2H skill advantage won't come in play, Susie won't be engaging in traditional h2h, she will just sends melee ranged attacks one after another. Profile states that his RE&AD comes from "going from getting thrashed near the beginning of a fight to matching and often surpassing his opponent as the battle progresses." Problem is that he if is getting trashed in the start, he loses to soulhax.
Stamina advantage won't help. His impressive physical stamina feats won't help him against spiritual damage from Susie attacks(which would kill him at 4 hits max, realistically 2-3 hits).
Susie can heal most injuries pretty easy with her healing, which she can spam endlessly without cost. Susie has pretty impressive list of skill feats, mainly dodging(such as beating Roaring Knight and Gerson), and acrobatics. She often makes novel solutions for battles("Susie idea"), and managed to caught off-guard Gerson, someone who has perception blitz over her + analytical prediction. Her stamina and willpower scales to Berdly, who after getting his hand fried and energy drained, still managed to collect darkners all over Cyber City, save Fun Gang and create Mecha(Thrash Machine) with them in several minutes. She herself manages to get back from being oneshotted by Knight very quickly. Even if Luffy manages to surpass Susie in stats before losing to soulhax, her stamina + skill feats + soulhax would allow her to fight for pretty long and still be a huge threat

 

[Kachon123]

Luffy FRA. His agility, instincts, and rubber body will make him incredibly hard to hit and his RPL and AD will make him match and reverse the AP gap. His BFR can also send Suzie beyond the horizon, which she has no answer to.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Luffy FRA. His agility, instincts, and rubber body will make him incredibly hard to hit and his RPL and AD will make him match and reverse the AP gap. His BFR can also send Suzie beyond the horizon, which she has no answer to.

Susie(and Kris) are precise enough to shave off someone's beard from 10 meters distance. RPL+AD won't cancel the fact that even with superior stats he dies in few hits to soulhax. While he needs to surmount Susie healing
His BFR sends only up to several kilometers. Susie already scales to Transonic travel speed in Light World key, for win via BFR you need to remove opponent from battlefield for at least a week(do the math). (Besides, under current definition of travel speed, both relativistic and FTL speed feats would be counted as travel speed feats too)

 

[Kachon123]

His BFR sends only up to several kilometers. Susie already scales to Transonic travel speed in Light World key, for win via BFR you need to remove opponent from battlefield for at least a week(do the math). (Besides, under current definition of travel speed, both relativistic and FTL speed feats would be counted as travel speed feats too)

Based on what? He can send people beyond the horizon, which in One Piece is over 50 kilometers away.

Also, dashing short distances is not travel speed.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Based on what? He can send people beyond the horizon, which in One Piece is over 50 kilometers away.

Also, dashing short distances is not travel speed.

1. Susie has own feat of crossing 234 meters in 2.3 seconds in Light World, so crossing 50 km would be done in around 8 minutes.
2. And what exactly divides dashing at short distance and travel speed? (By the way, we don't have dashing in Deltarune)

 

[EtherealCrater]

Based on what? He can send people beyond the horizon, which in One Piece is over 50 kilometers away.

Also, dashing short distances is not travel speed.

Shouldnt it be far higher? Luffy sent Wapol across the horizon at 5 km high, the distance to the horizon increases with height. So he should be able to BFR to at least 2,807 km away.

 

[Imaginym]

Shouldnt it be far higher? Luffy sent Wapol across the horizon at 5 km high, the distance to the horizon increases with height. So he should be able to BFR to at least 2,807 km away.

2,807 km / 234 m/s = 3.33214625 hours.

WIth such in mind, BFR seems like a dubiously viable tactic, if it requires they be BFR'd for a week. (Stamina may be an issue, though.)

 

[Qurbonboev]

2,807 km / 234 m/s = 3.33214625 hours.

Susie own running feat is 102 m/s. But all Lightners scale to 320 m/s running speed in Light World.
Our requirements for something to be considered a travel speed feat are pretty light:

From the speed page: "The speed at which a character or object can move by running, or through similar means that do not involve flight or teleportation."

Consider this Rel+ feat of Gang. Usually laser dodging feats is someone dodging lasers by slightly moving their body out of laser way in close distance, so it usually counts only as combat speed. But Gang in our case can move 50 meters while lasers move for around 70 meters(for total duration of attack). And we do give Rel travel speed for moving in tandem with lasers for such a distance. Example being Emily, that has FTL travel speed.

WIth such in mind, BFR seems like a dubiously viable tactic, if it requires they be BFR'd for a week. (Stamina may be an issue, though.)

Stamina could be an theoretical issue, but Susie has good stamina feats, and she has time limit of week. She can just sleep when tired and continue the path.
So not only BFR wouldn't work as wincon, it would actually hinder him. Luffy can't heal damage to soul, Susie can heal from physical damage. She will just come back to fight as fresh as ever, and likely enraged(which increases the strength in UTDR)