Lookism: Gun Park TUI 3x Multiplier

[JirensMom]

Pretty simple CRT, Gun is stated to be "several times" stronger after transforming into his Yamazaki Ultra Instinct, so it should be a 3x multiplier.

In his Base Form he scales to this calc, so a 3x multiplier would put him at 0.669 Tons of Tnt or 8-C. This is 3.31x below Gapyrong's calc, which sits at 2.22 Tons of TNT or High 8-C, so it isn't an outlier or anything.

As for who scales? Anyone "objectively" stronger than TUI Gun already scales to Gapyrong's calc, and there isn't anyone relative to a Full Health TUI Gun, so only Gun would be affected.
You can argue James and Kitae scale based on Charles Choi requiring someone stronger than James to keep him in check which implies Gun isn't strong enough, but I'll let others argue for that.



Agree: @CatLover313, @AyOgUyS, @Viott, @Dalesean027, @Powerscalingcat, @Vietthai96, @KingTempest

Neutral:

Disagree:

 

[CatLover313]

I saw the thread about “several times” and since you said another staff member believes it still stands, you can put me into agree. I also agree that only TUI Gun would scale to 3x Johan feat.

 

[AyOgUyS]

agree

 

[CatLover313]

Also, since the statement was that TUI made Gun "several times stronger", it would also increase his LS by 3x too. I believe that the closest direct scaling to Base Gun's LS would be this feat "Vin jin breaks the chainss: Class 25 (16323.9271 kg)" which would make TUI LS to 3 * 16,323.9271 = 48971.79 kg (Class 50)

 

[Hayder0772]

Also, since the statement was that TUI made Gun "several times stronger", it would also increase his LS by 3x too. I believe that the closest direct scaling to Base Gun's LS would be this feat "Vin jin breaks the chainss: Class 25 (16323.9271 kg)" which would make TUI LS to 3 * 16,323.9271 = 48971.79 kg (Class 50)

there is a new accepted feat which is Jaegyeon Na shattered the brick Class 50(45897.651 kg) which i do think gun scales to or even above it so the LS for TUI gun is 3 * 45897.651=137692.953kg(Class K) what do you think?

 

[CatLover313]

there is a new accepted feat which is Jaegyeon Na shattered the brick Class 50(45897.651 kg) which i do think gun scales to or even above it so the LS for TUI gun is 3 * 45897.651=137692.953kg(Class K) what do you think?

I saw that, but I couldn't think of any "direct scaling" from Jagyeon and Base Gun. There is direct scaling of Base Gun and Young Vin though which is why I chose that feat instead.

 

[Hayder0772]

I saw that, but I couldn't think of any "direct scaling" from Jagyeon and Base Gun. There is direct scaling of Base Gun and Young Vin though which is why I chose that feat instead.

ight that's fair

 

[Crimsonobu]

honestly i agree. evident amp. this might affect the verse scaling . gun scales above old holding back gapryong significantly so i dont think it would be absurd to give the 3x amp to the gap feat and apply the scaling to gun/daniel since daniel took hits from tui

 

[JirensMom]

honestly i agree. evident amp. this might affect the verse scaling . gun scales above old holding back gapryong significantly so i dont think it would be absurd to give the 3x amp to the gap feat and apply the scaling to gun/daniel since daniel took hits from tui

Unfortunately this thread removed that scaling from everyone besides Shingen.

 

[Crimsonobu]

honestly nonsensical. dozens of people should scale to old gap.

 

[JirensMom]

Also, since the statement was that TUI made Gun "several times stronger", it would also increase his LS by 3x too. I believe that the closest direct scaling to Base Gun's LS would be this feat "Vin jin breaks the chainss: Class 25 (16323.9271 kg)" which would make TUI LS to 3 * 16,323.9271 = 48971.79 kg (Class 50)

Should be fine since Jaegyeon's calc exists so it isn't an outlier for the verse.

 

[JirensMom]

Bump

 

[Viott]

I agree.

 

[Dalesean027]

If the statement isn't like exaggerated or anything and is consistent then this should be fine

 

[Powerscalingcat]

Pretty simple CRT, Gun is stated to be "several times" stronger after transforming into his Yamazaki Ultra Instinct, so it should be a 3x multiplier.

In his Base Form he scales to this calc, so a 3x multiplier would put him at 0.669 Tons of Tnt or 8-C. This is 3.31x below Gapyrong's calc, which sits at 2.22 Tons of TNT or High 8-C, so it isn't an outlier or anything.

As for who scales? Anyone "objectively" stronger than TUI Gun already scales to Gapyrong's calc, and there isn't anyone relative to a Full Health TUI Gun, so only Gun would be affected.
You can argue James and Kitae scale based on Charles Choi requiring someone stronger than James to keep him in check which implies Gun isn't strong enough, but I'll let others argue for that.



Agree: @CatLover313, @AyOgUyS, @Viott, @Dalesean027

Neutral:

Disagree:

Imo it should be around 2x just to be safe but I don't mind slightly higher put me in agree

 

[JirensMom]

bump

 

[Crimsonobu]

shown to be a darastic strength jump . to the point where a version of him who was getting toyed with by goo got momentarily blitzed due to the amp
and was able to go from being low/no diffed to being able to press and damage shintaro

 

[JirensMom]

bump

 

[Powerscalingcat]

Bump

 

[JirensMom]

Bump

 

[Keshirou]

Agree. 3x makes sense, especially considering what happened to Goo after Gun was in TUI.

 

[Powerscalingcat]

If the statement isn't like exaggerated or anything and is consistent then this should be fine

Sorry for the late reply but some supporting evidence for a multiplier is:
1. Should upscale from Johan's small bulding+ feat (nearly building level) as the feat was performed on him and Gun who at that point had a broken arm, sustained severe damage all over his body etc was able to damage that version of Johan so badly that Johan was only able to stay conscious due to sheer will power, Gun during that fught was on adrenaline (which removed his abbility to feel pain so he was able to perform at his full base power)
2. After the adrenaline wore off an even weaker, more damaged and more exhausted version of Gun fought againsg Goo who for the past 500+ chapters has been set up his rival and equal and went from being unable to even damage him base even though he landed a clean unguarded shot on his face, to perception blitzing and ragdolling Goo while in TUI, pretty much low diffing Goo in roughly 8 hits total. Goo should also upscale from Johan's feat due to scaling to base Gun
So overall the narrative indicates a MASSIVE AMP

Bare minimum would be a 2x mult just to be safe but I see no issues with 3x

 

[Vietthai96]

I have the same opinion as Dalesean027

 

[JirensMom]

I have the same opinion as Dalesean027

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[Vietthai96]

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Actually, you need to applies the thread first and then notify staff to close the thread

 

[KingTempest]

If the statement isn't like exaggerated or anything and is consistent then this should be fine

Pretty much this, I was the original staff who made the concept of several and many, and this isn't a problem regarding it
Looks good

 

[Crimsonobu]

What stats is this statement going to be applied to? general scaling (AP,LS, SPEED) or just AP
i think speed should check out . we saw him go from barely tagging goo to momentarily blitzing him, and then outspeeding him rest of the fight

 

[JirensMom]

What stats is this statement going to be applied to? general scaling (AP,LS, SPEED) or just AP
i think speed should check out . we saw him go from barely tagging goo to momentarily blitzing him, and then outspeeding him rest of the fight

Only AP for now.
I’ll cover speed in another CRT once we get more TUI Gun screentime, but if you’ve got enough evidence and want to argue it now, feel free.

 

[CatLover313]

Only AP for now.
I’ll cover speed in another CRT once we get more TUI Gun screentime, but if you’ve got enough evidence and want to argue it now, feel free.

Wasn't it only AP and LS because the statement was "several times stronger", speed shouldn't apply as it doesn't fall under the umbrella of "stronger"

 

[JirensMom]

Wasn't it only AP and LS because the statement was "several times stronger", speed shouldn't apply as it doesn't fall under the umbrella of "stronger"

Yeah, I won’t touch speed anytime soon until Gun gets out and we get more info on TUI.

 

[Crimsonobu]

Only AP for now.
I’ll cover speed in another CRT once we get more TUI Gun screentime, but if you’ve got enough evidence and want to argue it now, feel free.

gun goes from getting ragdolled to keeping up / momentarily blitzing an opponent who was his superior in speed. i think the speed buff is evident enough otherwise shintaro nor goo would have gotten pressed since gun wouldnt really tag them either way. the whole moment when he blitzes goo (first attack into tui) should be indicative of a speed increase

 

[JirensMom]

gun goes from getting ragdolled to keeping up / momentarily blitzing an opponent who was his superior in speed. i think the speed buff is evident enough otherwise shintaro nor goo would have gotten pressed since gun wouldnt really tag them either way. the whole moment when he blitzes goo (first attack into tui) should be indicative of a speed increase

VSBW requires a lot of evidence for speed multipliers, but depending on the raw translations I’m requesting to be translated, I might open a new CRT in the future.
For now this thread can be closed since the changes have been applied

 

[Vietthai96]

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