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My Hero Academia Deku Night Night CRT

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Deku should get resistance to Dream and Sleep Manipulation
The vestiges can forcibly wake Deku up whenever he gets knocked out and can do this with even greater ability due to them becoming stronger and more present after this arc.


The vestiges can also immediately snap Deku out of a false Dream and make him realize he's stuck in a Dream realm and can help guide him tips on how to escape


Stain should also get his glider and flight as Standard equipment


He should also get enhanced senses for being capable of identifying blood by scent
 
Agree. Love the Deku upscale (and stain bonuses, ig)
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Anonymous_Learner said:
(and stain bonuses, ig)
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(courtesy of lil ol me)

anyway, simple agree from me. maybe the resistance to dream should be minor since they couldn't get him out of said dream world, only point him in the right direction but I could just be nitpicking there.
 
Izuku's resistances should probably be labeled as "Unconventional Resistance", since he himself does not have proper resistance, but this is solid.

Masked was wondering why Stain's glider wasn't on his profile. It should probably be Optional Equipment, as he seems to only use it during Final War.
 
Is the sleep thing consistent? He says he blacked out, and while you haven't provided the surrounding context, it seems like time must have passed, implying it isn't as straightforward as fall asleep -> wake up. He seems to have been asleep for a time. Dream one I'd accept on a very limited basis, the "finding a way out" thing sort of seems like a weakness of that particular Dream Manip, might not work for other Dream Manip abilities without such a loophole (but, I lack context).

(the stain stuff seems fine)
 
Mr. Bambu said:
Is the sleep thing consistent? He says he blacked out, and while you haven't provided the surrounding context, it seems like time must have passed, implying it isn't as straightforward as fall asleep -> wake up. He seems to have been asleep for a time. Dream one I'd accept on a very limited basis, the "finding a way out" thing sort of seems like a weakness of that particular Dream Manip, might not work for other Dream Manip abilities without such a loophole (but, I lack context).
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He was knocked out for a short period as there was a mini scuffle with like Mr. Compress

Deku however only woke up due to the vestiges of One For All making him wake up in the very exact moment they showed up again


The vestiges during this arc were still flickering and aren't at 100% yet so their ability to help are weaker than it is during this arc, which is why Deku was even slumped for that short period of time before the vestiges could interact with him again.

Their capabilities at interacting with him are way stronger and are at 100% fully conscious now immediately after this arc and Deku him can interact with the vestiges as well (They are 100% with him now)


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Its also proven their capabilities of helping Deku are way stronger since then since the vestiges did legitimately snap him out of the Dream in 30 seconds after the dream sleep hax quirk was casted onto him


Mr. Bambu said:
Dream one I'd accept on a very limited basis, the "finding a way out" thing sort of seems like a weakness of that particular Dream Manip, might not work for other Dream Manip abilities without such a loophole (but, I lack context).
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Limited Dream resistance works. Unironically the way this resistance works would probably work way better cross verse than his own series
 
Mr. Bambu said:
Is the sleep thing consistent? He says he blacked out, and while you haven't provided the surrounding context, it seems like time must have passed, implying it isn't as straightforward as fall asleep -> wake up. He seems to have been asleep for a time.
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it's pretty quick tbf and could just be a combination of the fact that Izuku was already incredibly exhausted by this point having broke both his arms and is bleeding all over the place but for context.

he took this blast from Dabi which blew him back and knocked him out for a time, throughout chapter-294 he isn't present, then right as chapter-295 starts, we see the "wake up" thing and Deku wakes up. at most he was likely only out for a few minutes.

It's also should be noted that Danger Sense activating is causing a massive amount of pain on Deku's mind, borderline knocking himout, after he wakes up and Danger Sense activated before this point back in 293. meaning that the Vestiges should have some control over Deku's more physical aspects so telling him to "wake up" upon being knocked out should mean something.

this all happens way before Deku has mastered any of these quirks atp, so later on the vestiges are shown to be far more helpful and can direct influence him with hints and whatnot as Castorice pointed out.
Mr. Bambu said:
Dream one I'd accept on a very limited basis, the "finding a way out" thing sort of seems like a weakness of that particular Dream Manip, might not work for other Dream Manip abilities without such a loophole (but, I lack context).
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The dream manipulation is something i'm also picky about, the vestiges could only point Deku in the right direction and snap him out of the dream state but they couldn't directly free him from it said dream realm.

Deborah Gollini quirk, Day Dream, works by her putting the targeted person into an unconscious state and the victim's mind will be stuck in a dream-like world where they live out their deepest dreams and desires. Deku was affected by this power the most the vestiges within him could do was snap him out of the dream state, he was still within said world and had to get Giulio to break him out cause his cybernetic parts weren't affected by it.
 
For resis to sleep manipulation .Deku still blacks out and time passes while he’s unconscious, meaning the effect successfully applies. The vestiges waking him up is external assistance, not innate resistance. At best, this would be very limited resistance with support.

For Dream Manipulation, this is more acceptable but only on a limited basis. He escapes by becoming aware of the false dream with help from the vestiges, which seems specific to that technique’s weakness. That shouldn’t scale to general Dream Manipulation resistance only resistance to that specific ability.
 
Youngwolf-0.1 said:
For resis to sleep manipulation .Deku still blacks out and time passes while he’s unconscious, meaning the effect successfully applies. The vestiges waking him up is external assistance, not innate resistance. At best, this would be very limited resistance with support
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Effect applying isn’t a disqualifier though. It’s never applying means it’s a full on immunity, not a resistance. Resistance works if a character can be woken up in a short period of time. Which Deku and the vestiges are capable of pulling off and the only reason why it took that short period of time because the vestiges were still flickering in this arc. That is the only reason. Deku did even wake up the moment the vestiges showed up again. The arc immediately after they are at 100% and are stronger. This is proven because they were able to interfere with the Dream Sleep quirk hax in 30 seconds.

I don’t see why external help from multiple selves type 1 and 2 would make the resistance very limited. At worst like Unconventional.

Youngwolf-0.1 said:
For Dream Manipulation, this is more acceptable but only on a limited basis. He escapes by becoming aware of the false dream with help from the vestiges, which seems specific to that technique’s weakness. That shouldn’t scale to general Dream Manipulation resistance only resistance to that specific ability.
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That’s not the weakness of the quirk. The weakness is that the Dream World and everyone trapped in it can be freed if you force disable the quirk from using it (basically beating the crap out of them)

The vestiges dispersed the false dream casted onto him but he still needs to exit the dream realm itself.

Context wise. Limited resistance to dream should work since it is limited in the own verse he’s using. Taking cross verse into account it would unironically be more effective.

(Namely his limited resistance could unironically break out of Demon Slayer’s own Dream Sleep hax Blood Demon Art because it has nothing to do with a dream realm and more so to do with the victim’s subconsciousness and soul)
 
Bruhtelho said:
The dream manipulation is something i'm also picky about, the vestiges could only point Deku in the right direction and snap him out of the dream state but they couldn't directly free him from it said dream realm.

Deborah Gollini quirk, Day Dream, works by her putting the targeted person into an unconscious state and the victim's mind will be stuck in a dream-like world where they live out their deepest dreams and desires. Deku was affected by this power the most the vestiges within him could do was snap him out of the dream state, he was still within said world and had to get Giulio to break him out cause his cybernetic parts weren't affected by it.
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They did also say their souls themselves are trap into the dream world. Even if you dispel the dream itself, it wouldn’t mean your soul is freed from the realm.
 
If it helps the argument Mr Bambu the vestiges are shown capable of letting Deku be aware of the fact that he was being mind controlled and retain his memories of that time (normally people don’t remember/ or are forced to forget what they were doing during that time). They also allowed him to take control of his body despite being mind controlled.
Different abilities, I know, but there’s precedence for the vestiges to fight against/temporally negate the effects of mind manipulation.
 
Youngwolf-0.1 said:
For resis to sleep manipulation .Deku still blacks out and time passes while he’s unconscious, meaning the effect successfully applies. The vestiges waking him up is external assistance, not innate resistance. At best, this would be very limited resistance with support.

For Dream Manipulation, this is more acceptable but only on a limited basis. He escapes by becoming aware of the false dream with help from the vestiges, which seems specific to that technique’s weakness. That shouldn’t scale to general Dream Manipulation resistance only resistance to that specific ability.
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I agree with this, yeah.
 
Well, the resistance is definitely unconventional. I guess it becomes limited as well in that only the vestiges resisted it and they almost failed to snap him out of it.

So limited and unconventional makes sense.
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
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Since it was the same thing they did when they snapped him out of Shinso's control.

Still, if any sleep hax was too deep to snap him out of, or it managed to reach them as well, that'd definitely fit as limited as well as unconventional.
 
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