Hazbin Hotel Revisions (Minor Scaling + Regeneration Upgrade)

[ShionAH]

Simple hopefully, WE DON'T NEED 3 VOTES FOR THIS I HOPE

Spoiler: Exorcist

They are considered invincible and unharmable to anything physical with the sole exception of Angelic Magic and Steel, this is super consistent and is the main plot point of Season 1 Episode 7 Hello Rosie. Exorcist also has shown hey can easily hurt each other in hand to hand combat so they aren't brick walls.



Anyways from this they would be superior to Hell including the Overlords (which they have been directly implied to be able to exorcise) and Vox' pet Shok.wav.

We already accepted in previous threads that instead of getting Inv ability they would just be far above Hell in durability. 8-B.

I also want to add as an supporting argument that neither Angel nor Cherri (who both are 9-A and scale to the Overlords) were able to help Vaggie when Lute was attacking her, since they werent doing magic or anything really its likely they are not strong enough to KEEP up let alone defend her without Angelic Weapons

All I remember as an "antifeat" is Angel saving the Egg boy from an Exorcist by stopping her blow but since he was using angelic steel guns I am not sure if it matters at all or maybe Lute and Vaggie are the ones built different who knows.

Spoiler: Charlie

Ahh Charlie, my sweet bum. You are a mess aren't you.

I'll try because Unknown tier is not what she deserves, I'll list the base feats of Charlie.

• Quite literally DESTROYING Katie who was in her demon form quite easily
  • Sir Pentious who is said to be a "wussy fighter" and a wimp in terms of physicals was able to briefly overpower Angel before losing the wrestle, at the very least he is 9-A from this which would obviously put Katie on this level especially in her demon form
• She casually BROKE an angelic spear by blocking it, completely halting the exorcists charge. Pretty insane as the second time we see Angelic steel be broken like this is after it got hit by a 5-B beam lol
• Charlie also has GREAT narrative and is ranked THIRD in Hell's tier.
• She is the daughter of Lucifer, the most powerful being in Hell and a fallen angel, who possesses power which trumps that of demons.. Stated to be "Madly Powerful" and "Full of Potential" by both Alastor and Rosie

I'll let staff choose where she should scale ngl...

Poll I made for the supports ended with these results with 8 votes

Spoiler: Regeneration

Uhh getting stabbed through the heart is not High-Low, it's pretty much Low-Mid

The ability to regenerate lost limbs, limited brain damage, and even severe organ damage or destruction, including traditionally fatal wounds and disembowelment or horizontal bisection. For machines and vehicles, this would be regenerating minor parts and more extensive internal damage.

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Agree: 4 ( TheOrangeGuy09, @Comiphorous, @ShionAH, @Mythic381)
Disagree:
Neutral:​

 

[Comiphorous]

The shock.wav thing makes sense on paper. It being stronger than the exorcists is odd I suppose.

No comment on Charlie scaling. I see the vision, I think it could be enough for at least the 9-A scaling but I think it’s better for someone more knowledgeable to comment on it.

Regeneration makes sense.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Not gonna comment on Excorcists, that's something anyone else can do, so...

Ch*rlie​

The problem with 90% of that is... it's either magic using an angelic shield or transformations which we know are hot shit. With absolutely nothing else, the Disney princess is the Disney princess and never fights without an amp or a big ******* shield. Take away magic scaling from her via Hear My Hope and Charlie is genuinely featless in base.

Regen​

It's fine. Just remember that it's really, really low-end low-mid. They're not regenerating arms instantly or anything.

 

[ShionAH]

The problem with 90% of that is...

We cannot keep her unknown as she does have feats, Katie Demon Form > Sir Pentious is pretty reasonable no? So she'd be 9-A at the very least. You just tell me what you think her tier should be and I'll note it near your name

 

[Comiphorous]

Actually, can I get a list of who’d be affected by the exorcist thing and what aspect of their tier would be affected? I just wanna make sure we’re on the same page.

 

[ShionAH]

Actually, can I get a list of who’d be affected by the exorcist thing and what aspect of their tier would be affected? I just wanna make sure we’re on the same page.

Only Vaggie and Lute would be affected and be 8-B, unless someone brings up anything extra for another character to scale. Before anyone says Carmilla was using Angelic weapons to hurt Vaggie.

 

[Comiphorous]

Only Vaggie and Lute would be affected and be 8-B, unless someone brings up any proof of Alastor scaling to the exorcist in Base lol

And I assume the rest of the cast with angelic weaponry would also get it?

 

[DaReaperMan]

We cannot keep her unknown as she does have feats, Katie Demon Form > Sir Pentious is pretty reasonable no? So she'd be 9-A at the very least. You just tell me what you think her tier should be and I'll note it near your name

Damn, a featless character scaling above another featless character? You should get some of the shit they do calced!

 

[ShionAH]

Damn, a featless character scaling above another featless character?

• Sir Pentious who is said to be a "wussy fighter" and a wimp in terms of physicals

Being featless is actually better here than to have ANTI statements against your stats...

And I assume the rest of the cast with angelic weaponry would also get it?

I didn't want to fill this thread and make it controversial, AWs should lowkey just be 5-B

 

[Comiphorous]

I didn't want to fill this thread and make it controversial, AWs should lowkey just be 5-B

Based on your OP I assumed the AW for Charlie and co. Would scale to the 8-B too. Makes the most sense and is a good baseline based off feats from the finale of season 1.

 

[DaReaperMan]

• Sir Pentious who is said to be a "wussy fighter" and a wimp in terms of physicals

Being featless is actually better here than to have ANTI statements against your stats...

A wussy fighter from WoG in an era that's already directly said to only be Canon in spirit. Damn, so reliable! I'm sure that there's no problems using that!

Do you scale Blitzo>Sir Pentious?

 

[ShionAH]

Based on your OP I assumed the AW for Charlie and co. Would scale to the 8-B too. Makes the most sense and is a good baseline based off feats from the finale of season 1.

I mean yeah but like when the two Tier 5s in the verse faced Angelic Weapons both of them got pierced and almost died lol...

A wussy fighter from WoG in an era that's already directly said to only be Canon in spirit. Damn, so reliable! I'm sure that there's no problems using that!

He claims he cannot fight without his egg boys IN THE SHOW but ofc you only care about making things harder instead of using logic, JUST SAY THE DAMN TIER YOU THINK HOLY SHIT I DONT CARE.

Do you scale Blitzo>Sir Pentious?

Irrelevant, different species and a whole different narrative

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Love how the entire basis for 8-B Charlie is something Angel did but you brushed aside cause he was using an angelic weapon to do so (And Charlie used a SHIELD to do it) and her only other feat is going toe-to-toe with someone magnitudes of times weaker than an Exorcist.

Also both of these.

Charlie also has GREAT narrative and is ranked THIRD in Hell's tier.

She is the daughter of Lucifer, the most powerful being in Hell and a fallen angel, who possesses power which trumps that of demons.. Stated to be "Madly Powerful" and "Full of Potential" by both Alastor and Rosie

No reason to say this is about Base Charlie, when her full power is one of the only 3 5-Bs.

 

[ShionAH]

Angel did but you brushed aside cause he was using an angelic weapon to do so (And Charlie used a SHIELD to do it)

Can you tell me which one broke Angelic Steel and which one didn't?

Again. I AM NOT CLAIMING SHE IS ANY TIER GUYS. YOU. YOU!!! Have to vote and then staff has to vote to CHOOSE. I personally think anything from 9-A to 8-B is reasonable (also she was scaling above the Sinners before S2 in Base so I don't even know if any CRT was passed to downgrade her to Unknown lmfao)

 

[Mythic381]

TheOrangeGuy09

...Huh?

Anyways, I agree with everything.

 

[DaReaperMan]

He claims he cannot fight without his egg boys IN THE SHOW but ofc you only care about making things harder instead of using logic, JUST SAY THE DAMN TIER YOU THINK HOLY SHIT I DONT CARE.

Well, if we're gonna decide on not calling anything, 10-B until further notice.

Irrelevant, different species and a whole different narrative

Oh, so you don't ACTUALLY believe all other sinners>Sir Pentious

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Simple hopefully, WE DON'T NEED 3 VOTES FOR THIS I HOPE

Considering the above discussion, yeah we do, doesn't seem particularly simple

Edit: Hell, in what world could supporters have a character in 3 separate tiers and this be considered simple. Not even you guys agree entirely where she should scale.

Poll I made for the supports ended with these results with 8 votes

 

[DaReaperMan]

Considering the above discussion, yeah we do, doesn't seem particularly simple

More suffering!

 

[ShionAH]

Considering the above discussion, yeah we do, doesn't seem particularly simple

I keep adding it so one day I will be able to get it right

 

[DaReaperMan]

Also, you need to put Hellaverse into the tags. That is the official name of the verse page.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

I personally think anything from 9-A to 8-B is reasonable

The 9-A is also entirely based on Sir Pentious being 9-A, he's not even that currently.

And him being 9-A is based on what? Pulling Angel’s arm away for like a split second? You could scale everyone in the cast to Vaggi if that's all it took lol
To add salt to the wound, Angel himself isn't even fully 9-A either, buddy's an "At most 9-A"

 

[ShionAH]

Shit scaling coming

Cherri is 9-A and Sir Pentious durability scales to her attacks, Angel can hurt Sir Pentious even with his punches scaling her to his durability and Pentious can overpower and is clearly not a whole tier below him which makes them all a 9-A team

 

[DarkLock92]

Shit scaling coming

Cherri is 9-A and Sir Pentious durability scales to her attacks, Angel can hurt Sir Pentious even with his punches scaling her to his durability and Pentious can overpower and is clearly not a whole tier below him which makes them all a 9-A team

Angel straight up floors Cherri with a kick, there's no need to use Pentious to scale him to her

 

[DaReaperMan]

The 9-A is also entirely based on Sir Pentious being 9-A, he's not even that currently.

Technically on the Vees page you edited then didn't link a calc for 9-A or 8-B, he is.

Yes, this is a hint. Be better.

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

I agree with the scale of the Exorcists and the regeneration. Regarding Charlie, I think she should at least scale to the same level as other sinners at the hotel base like Angel, Cherri, and Pentious, whether they're 9-A or B.

 

[ShionAH]

Edit: Hell, in what world could supporters have a character in 3 separate tiers and this be considered simple. Not even you guys agree entirely where she should scale.

Do you have any opinions on this?

 

[Alexander]

WHAT KIND OF ARGUMENT IS "the shield is probably angelic" when nobody even mentions that?also since when can you use angelic steel for defense?the only used that thing has shown is all for offensive or restrain, not for defense

 

[DaReaperMan]

WHAT KIND OF ARGUMENT IS "the shield is probably angelic" when nobody even mentions that?also since when can you use angelic steel for defense?the only used that thing has shown is all for offensive or restrain, not for defense

It's glowing, wielded by someone we know can make angelic weapons, and can block angelic weapons as we see for people like Angel Dust's angelic guns.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Agree to Excocrist upscale, agree 9-A Charlie with 8-B shield (even if you wanna upgrade AW to TIer 5 in in the future, for now, with this upgrade, they'd be 8-B), Agree with low mid regen that extends to internal healing (no combat applicable arm healing for them Besides the likely high-mid)

 

[Alexander]

It's glowing, wielded by someone we know can make angelic weapons, and can block angelic weapons as we see for people like Angel Dust's angelic guns.

IT'S GOLD DAMMIT, not even glowing, IT IS GOLD

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

bro sees a Charlie upgrade and starts contesting it (Even Charlie's best defender think she's a bum)

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Do you have any opinions on this?

Frankly, currently I don't have an opinion. Seeing how things develop.

 

[Alexander]

bro sees a Charlie upgrade and starts contesting it (Even Charlie's best defender think she's a bum)

I am her best defender.

 

[Mythic381]

I am her best defender.

 

[Alexander]

I SAID BEST defender, not only defender.

 

[Mythic381]

I SAID BEST defender, not only defender.

Yeah? I can literally read. I meant what I said.

 

[ShionAH]

Should I make two options for Charlie (9-A and 8-B) or just straight up go for 9-A

 

[Eseseso]

I don't think that Pentious overpowered Angel at any point in that fight. Just scale Katie above Pentious' own natural scaling (or maybe scale her transformation above Angel just because) and have Charlie scale to that.

 

[DarkLock92]

I don't think that Pentious overpowered Angel at any point in that fight. Just scale Katie above Pentious' own natural scaling (or maybe scale her transformation above Angel just because) and have Charlie scale to that.

Pentious is currently unknown physically

 

[Eseseso]

Pentious is currently unknown physically

Scaling Katie to Angel is probably fine then since we don't know what Pentious is.