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[Accepted] Lookism CRT: Updating the Character Profile Speeds

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Since this Lookism Speed Feat removal thread got approved, a lot of the speed feats that the profiles used are now invalid and so all the profiles need to be updated. Just for this thread, I am going to update only the Lookism character profile pages (MK, Questism, Viral Hit, etc will be done afterwards).

Only scaling characters with actual profiles and pages. All scans provided.

Low Tier: Subsonic based on this feat (50.09 m/s).

Mid Tier: Subsonic based on this feat (75.63 m/s)

High Tiers and Top Tiers: At least Subsonic+ (227.59 m/s) based on HFBD Johan being unmeasurable which would put him above Daniel (Questism) Subsonic+ Feat who has XXX stats in speed. At Least/Likely/Possible Supersonic based on Goo Cuts a Gun (731.991 m/s). Done by a Younger Goo that uses a weapon (so only enemies that have only fought a weaponless Goo do not scale). So for the Gen 1/1.5/2 characters who are only Likely/Possibly Supersonic, I’ll add At Least Subsonic+ beforehand.

Agreements: Viott, Powerscalingcat, DeltaStriker22, BlackCat, Pxnd_13, Mercury009, Godernet (Staff), Vietthai96 (staff)

Disagreements:
 
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Going to need to wait for what supporters of the verse think before asking staff to evaluate.
 
CatLover313 said:
Since this Lookism Speed Feat removal thread got approved, a lot of the speed feats that the profiles used are now invalid and so all the profiles need to be updated. Just for this thread, I am going to update only the Lookism character profile pages (MK, Questism, Viral Hit, etc will be done afterwards).

Only scaling characters with actual profiles and pages. All scans provided.

Low Tier: Subsonic based on this feat (50.09 m/s).

Mid Tier: Subsonic based on this feat (75.63 m/s)

High Tiers and Top Tiers: This one might cause some arguments but I do believe these characters scale here. This new Supersonic feat was accepted (Supersonic based on Goo Cuts a Gun (731.991 m/s)). So going to scale this feat which is done by a Younger Goo that uses a weapon (so only enemies that have only fought a weaponless Goo do not scale).
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Hm I agree with the high end (high-top tiers) scaling to Goo's feat, however imo Gen 1 characters should scale to possibly transonic as we have seen that Goo can blizts people who are above the level of regional kings without even looking at them, same with gen 2 low/mid tiers like Hudson getting speed blizts by the same dúo that Goo blizted which was calc'd At Subsonic (150m/s)

Gen 1.5, UI Perfect Daniel, Gun, Goo, Kitae, James, Tom, fist Gang and sword Pacheon are the ones that have concrete supersonic scaling imo as Goo using a sound speed whip against sword pacheon was portrayed as a step up from everything before it, with Pacheon being fast enough to perception blizts Jageyon and anyone weaker or relative to him, which to me says they are close to surpassing sound but not quite there thus likely transonic for most of the current relavant high tier Gen 1 characters, imo vast majority of the cast (except Hudson lmao) should upscale from the Busan King wacking Hudson which was calc'd at 150m/s, so all of the relevant low tiers should have subsonic , mid tiers and above should have subsonic+ likely transonic, high tiers like Jageyon should have trasonic, and top tiers should have supersonic

You can put me in agreed
 
Powerscalingcat said:
Hm I agree with the high end (high-top tiers) scaling to Goo's feat, however imo Gen 1 characters should scale to possibly transonic as we have seen that Goo can blizts people who are above the level of regional kings without even looking at them, same with gen 2 low/mid tiers like Hudson getting speed blizts by the same dúo that Goo blizted which was calc'd At Subsonic (150m/s)

Gen 1.5, UI Perfect Daniel, Gun, Goo, Kitae, James, Tom, fist Gang and sword Pacheon are the ones that have concrete supersonic scaling imo as Goo using a sound speed whip against sword pacheon was portrayed as a step up from everything before it, with Pacheon being fast enough to perception blizts Jageyon and anyone weaker or relative to him, which to me says they are close to surpassing sound but not quite there thus likely transonic for most of the current relavant high tier Gen 1 characters, imo vast majority of the cast (except Hudson lmao) should upscale from the Busan King wacking Hudson which was calc'd at 150m/s, so all of the relevant low tiers should have subsonic , mid tiers and above should have subsonic+ likely transonic, high tiers like Jageyon should have trasonic, and top tiers should have supersonic

You can put me in agreed
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I could definitely put a Mid-High tier scaling and do the Hudson gets blitz calc for that. However, I put every current Gen 2 as supersonic just because Yuseong and Mandeok were able to hit and dodge tom during 2A (though I guess that was a holding back tom too). If more supporters believe I should make a mid-high tier scaling, I’ll do it but I rather leave it as is for now
 
CatLover313 said:
I could definitely put a Mid-High tier scaling and do the Hudson gets blitz calc for that. However, I put every current Gen 2 as supersonic just because Yuseong and Mandeok were able to hit and dodge tom during 2A (though I guess that was a holding back tom too). If more supporters believe I should make a mid-high tier scaling, I’ll do it but I rather leave it as is for now
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Ic well I don't really count the Tom stuff since narratively the top tiers are moving goal posts and we saw in the recent arc that if Tom wanted to he could have blizted and one shot both of them, he was just being casual in 2A but fair enough on waiting for more supporters to comment
 
DeltaStriker22 said:
The subsonic speeds can probably be increased to subsonic+ for high and top tiers since all of them should scale above Daniel (Questism).
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Though I have my issues with both series connective scaling, considering the site does believe it is HFBD Johan that showed up in the series, I'll put At Least Subsonic+ for HFBD Key Johan along with any person that scales to him. I'll do it later today (tomorrow or Monday) in case anyone has any comments.
 
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Looks good, I agree. One nitpick I have:
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James Lee (Called Goo Kim weak right in front of his face implying superiority): Likely Supersonic
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I'd make it more like this:

James Lee (Called Goo Kim weak right in front of his face, implying superiority): At least Supersonic, likely much higher using Path
Or somehting alone those lines, considering he outright demolished Jaegyeon Na in their encounter

EDIT: Same for this
CatLover313 said:
Post-Gun Training Key True Body Daniel Park (Was winning against a tired Yuseong): At least Subsonic (Above all the mid tiers who scale to this feat), Possibly Supersonic
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Unless there is a path key exclusively for Daniel (True Body)
 
Mercury009 said:
Looks good, I agree. One nitpick I have:

I'd make it more like this:

James Lee (Called Goo Kim weak right in front of his face, implying superiority): At least Supersonic, likely much higher using Path
Or somehting alone those lines, considering he outright demolished Jaegyeon Na in their encounter

EDIT: Same for this

Unless there is a path key exclusively for Daniel (True Body)
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Updated James to At Least Supersonic, Likely Much Higher. For Daniel, tbh, he should get a new key for Incheon and Above.
 
Before I update the High Tier/Top Tier versions, I want to ask everyone here first if they're fine with Delta's comment on boosting everyone to "At Least Subsonic+" due to this reasoning: At least Subsonic+ based on HFBD Johan being unmeasurable which would put him above Daniel (Questism) Subsonic+ Feat who has XXX stats in speed

This would update Hunt for Big Deal Key Johan to: At Least Subsonic+, Likely Supersonic
Which we would chainscale everyone in High Tier/Top Tier to it (I can likely find a reason to chainscale everyone to HFBD Key Johan if I try hard enough but I rather finish this discussion so I don't waste hours getting scans): At Least Subsonic+, Likely/Possibly Supersonic

Before I do this, I would like to see everyone's opinion's on this change. As while I have my opinion on the timeline between Questism and Lookism, I also know it might be a controversial discussion.
 
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CatLover313 said:
Before I update the High Tier/Top Tier versions, I want to ask everyone here first if they're fine with Delta's comment on boosting everyone to "At Least Subsonic+" due to this reasoning: At least Subsonic+ based on HFBD Johan being unmeasurable which would put him above Daniel (Questism) Subsonic+ Feat who has XXX stats in speed

This would update Hunt for Big Deal Key Johan to: At Least Subsonic+, Likely Supersonic
Which we would chainscale everyone in High Tier/Top Tier to it (I can likely find a reason to chainscale everyone to HFBD Key Johan if I try hard enough but I rather finish this discussion so I don't waste hours getting scans): At Least Subsonic+, Likely/Possibly Supersonic

Before I do this, I would like to see everyone's opinion's on this change. As while I have my opinion on the timeline between Questism and Lookism, I also know it might be a controversial discussion.
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I agree as most high tiers should also massively upscale from the Busan crew member that wacked Hudson (150m/s)

As 2T Jageyon straight up one shot a king on par if not stronger than that guy, we know base Jinrang is stronger and faster than that guy, Jichang should scale to base Jinrang, 2T SP Taesoo and OSOK 3T Gong should scale above the Busan crewhead as well, 2T full power Jagyeon should scale above all of them, heat mode Incheon Daniel should scale to him or slightly below him, 2T Yujae should scale above 2T Jageyon, 3T Jageyon, Jake and Samuel should all scale above 2T Yujae and the 10,000 commanders who should scale massively above the likes of the Busan crew member, 3T Yujae and base Pacheon should scale around or above then etc

Honestly there is enough power creep that the Busan crew calc should be enough to upscale them to subsonic+ if you don't want to rely on crossverse scaling to Questism, you could also include both as reasoning.
(Tbh I'd even go as far as say that high tiers should be bare minimum transonic likely Supersonic instead but we unfortunately lack enough concrete calcs to prove it)

But you can put me in agree regardless
 
I agree all
The reason this upgrade is complicated is because this universe is very large. Relying solely on calculations from Lookism to adjust the scaling makes it difficult, since calculations from other series within the same universe may have higher values in some cases. Therefore, I suggest incorporating those calculations as well, such as the recommendation from DeltaStriker22
 
CatLover313 said:
Before I update the High Tier/Top Tier versions, I want to ask everyone here first if they're fine with Delta's comment on boosting everyone to "At Least Subsonic+" due to this reasoning: At least Subsonic+ based on HFBD Johan being unmeasurable which would put him above Daniel (Questism) Subsonic+ Feat who has XXX stats in speed

This would update Hunt for Big Deal Key Johan to: At Least Subsonic+, Likely Supersonic
Which we would chainscale everyone in High Tier/Top Tier to it (I can likely find a reason to chainscale everyone to HFBD Key Johan if I try hard enough but I rather finish this discussion so I don't waste hours getting scans): At Least Subsonic+, Likely/Possibly Supersonic

Before I do this, I would like to see everyone's opinion's on this change. As while I have my opinion on the timeline between Questism and Lookism, I also know it might be a controversial discussion.
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I agree with this
 
Since most supporters are fine with changing HFBD key Johan and those who scale to him to At Least Subsonic+, I’ll update the scaling and get the scans.
 
Updated the scale, felt like any argument for them being Likely/Possibly Supersonic basically gave them validation to scale to At least Subsonic+ anyway. Going to start requesting this thread to be looked at now, feel like a bunch of verse supporters have already overlooked it all.
 
Seongji Yok is missing, who with 2M was able to defeat the Kojima brothers with little effort and be considered a formidable fighter according to the other kings, in addition to being able to keep up with James before and after his awakening with 3M, and the latter also reveals that a young Jaegyeon could still catch up to him so Seongji, Jaegyeon and Yujae (who scales directly from Jaegyeon) should have at least Supersonic.
 
Pyro9278 said:
Seongji Yok is missing, who with 2M was able to defeat the Kojima brothers with little effort and be considered a formidable fighter according to the other kings, in addition to being able to keep up with James before and after his awakening with 3M, and the latter also reveals that a young Jaegyeon could still catch up to him so Seongji, Jaegyeon and Yujae (who scales directly from Jaegyeon) should have at least Supersonic.
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Dang, guess I forgot about Seongji, I'm just going to put Likely Supersonic because he doesn't actually have any direct scaling with current characters besides beating a younger James Lee. I'll just add a scan saying he "outsped a Young James for a moment".
 
Wooh, I'll apply this in the next 2 days as it might take a while
 
CatLover313 said:
Is there any example of another verse scaling blog? If it makes future scaling easier, I might make one.
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You can try checking the verse pages for Reality Quest or Kimetsu no Yaiba if you’re in a hurry. However, since this universe is very large, scaling it might be quite difficult.

To be honest, aside from you, me, Pxnd 013, and Viott—who regularly show up during upgrades or downgrades—other people rarely come to help (even though a few do occasionally, it’s not often). So making a scaling revision blog might be quite difficult and time-consuming (since you’ll likely be doing it alone).

I truly hope you can stay strong and keep pushing through it.🥰
 
BlackCat said:
You can try checking the verse pages for Reality Quest or Kimetsu no Yaiba if you’re in a hurry. However, since this universe is very large, scaling it might be quite difficult.

To be honest, aside from you, me, Pxnd 013, and Viott—who regularly show up during upgrades or downgrades—other people rarely come to help (even though a few do occasionally, it’s not often). So making a scaling revision blog might be quite difficult and time-consuming (since you’ll likely be doing it alone).

I truly hope you can stay strong and keep pushing through it.🥰
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I'd be willing to help unfortunately I have no idea HOW I can help lol

I am currently in the process of rereading the series and making notes on scaling, abbilties etc tho I am barely 1.5/5 of the way though
 
Powerscalingcat said:
I'd be willing to help unfortunately I have no idea HOW I can help lol

I am currently in the process of rereading the series and making notes on scaling, abbilties etc tho I am barely 1.5/5 of the way though
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Keep it up! I’m cheering for you.🥰
 
BlackCat said:
Keep it up! I’m cheering for you.🥰
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Oh Thank you! Though it's very bare bones because I don't have a lot of free time so it's mostly just
(x character (n MJ value) < y character (n MJ value)

And also major character ability lists for eg
Zack:
-jab
-straight
-superhuman endurance (threshold)
Etc

So I don't know if it would be any help at all lol, if I had to write in detail like vswiki does (having to elaborate, provide statements etc) I would probably go insane lol
 
I believe that every "Lookism" character profile has its speed rating updated now, so this thread can be closed!
 
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