"Can we redeem humanity?" (Human Race vs Hazbin Hotel Staff) (1-1-0)

[AppleMaker]

So, since Hazbin Hotel had crap ton of revisions and Humanity can't beat all of them in a fair fight - they'll fight only it's staff

Here are the rules:

• Speed is equalized (even though ftl travel speed is bs)
• Charlie is not included
• Both sides are bloodlusted
• Humanity have 1 day of prep time
• Hazbin Staff have 3 days of prep time

"We don't need your redemption": 1 (@Greg_the_master_of_gods)

"I guess not everyone could be redeemed": 1 (@Mythic381)

Red Dead Redemption Arthur Morgan without tuberculosis solos:

 

[Mythic381]

(even though ftl travel speed is bs)

Cope.

Charlie is not included

Cope x2

Anyways, with a bloodlusted Alastor, he literally just spams his tentacles, minions, portals and shield, which counter basically any type of weaponry humanity has.

Humanity has basically no counters to Alastor, who can just remove teleport himself away if he gets tired and leaves his minions to do his work.

Bombs wouldn't exactly work due to their High-Mid regeneration.

Humanity's only real wincons seem to come from nuclear weaponry which is essentially suicide, and wouldn't work on characters that can practically disappear and have FTL speed.

My only question is how would the speed equalization here work? Humanity's page doesn't have a speed value for anything, so would their weaponry also be FTL? Or would the fact Hellaverse has characters dodging guns nullify that?

 

[AppleMaker]

My only question is how would the speed equalization here work? Humanity's page doesn't have a speed value for anything, so would their weaponry also be FTL? Or would the fact Hellaverse has characters dodging guns nullify that?

When speed is equalized - it gets equalized to a character with lower speed. So I assume it's gonna be on par with slowest firearm humanity have, also every other weapon would have that speed

 

[Mythic381]

When speed is equalized - it gets equalized to a character with lower speed. So I assume it's gonna be on par with slowest firearm humanity have, also every other weapon would have that speed

I see. Well, they'd still regenerate indefinitely from it, so I don't think it's that useful.

 

[AppleMaker]

Not really sure if it's a stomp or not. No idea how much Hazbin Staff got revamped and which abilities they have now

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

(even though ftl travel speed is bs)

No one has ftl travel speed (Besides emily, who only has it via flight), ftl is combat and reaction speed.
Not that matters in equal speed, just thought it'd be worth noting

 

[AppleMaker]

No one has ftl travel speed (Besides emily, who only has it via flight), ftl is combat and reaction speed.
Not that matters in equal speed, just thought it'd be worth noting

I guess other pages weren't currently edited, since there's still crap ton of characters who still have FTL speed on their profile (without separating it from travel speed)

 

[ByArrow]

Speed equalization reduces both humanity and the hotel staff to below-average human speed, while humanity’s equipment either maintains its original speed or decreases at the same rate, preserving the speed difference.

 

[Greg_the_master_of_gods]

humanity kind of wins i think, nuclear weaponry exists and the only characters who get that FTL bs because of might of lilith is adam, lucifer and charlie and she's not here, if humanity is bloodlusted, they WILL use everything, that includes every human and every weapon and every single nuclear bomb, most of the crew here is useless, the only ones i really think could do something is like alastor maybe, sir pentious its arguable, so they just nuke them and now its only alastor, when its only alastor nuke him too, he's not durable enough to tank all of humanity nuclear bombs, especially when some missiles get to mach 20 and humanity has not like one, humanity has like hundreds of bombs that can kill alastor, humanity wins this

So, since Hazbin Hotel had crap ton of revisions and Humanity can't beat all of them in a fair fight - they'll fight only it's staff

Here are the rules:

• Speed is equalized (even though ftl travel speed is bs)
• Charlie is not included
• Both sides are bloodlusted
• Humanity have 1 day of prep time
• Hazbin Staff have 3 days of prep time

"We don't need your redemption":

"I guess not everyone could be redeemed": 1 (@Mythic381)

Red Dead Redemption Arthur Morgan without tuberculosis solos:

 

[Mythic381]

and the only characters who get that FTL bs because of might of lilith is adam, lucifer and charlie

Blatantly not true. Alastor has it. Why are you even arguing this anyways? Speed is equalized.

Speed is equalized (even though ftl travel speed is bs)

humanity is bloodlusted, they WILL use everything, that includes every human and every weapon and every single nuclear bomb,

That's called stupidity. They would literally kill themselves attempting that. Alastor himself has counters for that with his large ass portals that has BFR'd Pentious' large weapons, or his shield or his teleportation. Not to mention one of the most things he spams is him turning into an incorporeal shadow.

 

[Greg_the_master_of_gods]

Blatantly not true. Alastor has it. Why are you even arguing this anyways? Speed is equalized.


That's called stupidity. They would literally kill themselves attempting that. Alastor himself has counters for that with his large ass portals that has BFR'd Pentious' large weapons, or his shield or his teleportation. Not to mention one of the most things he spams is him turning into an incorporeal shadow.

they are BLOODLUSTED dude, if its suicide it doesn't matter, the WHOLE 8 billion humans are ABSOLUTELY determined to kill the entire crew, anyways, i said the speed thing because i forgot the equalized speed, and if speed is equalized its just kind of spamming, if every weapon has the same speed and alastor has that speed too, then alastor is dealing with potentially thousands of hundreds of projectiles with his speed coming at him, and some are lethal even to him while the other will hurt, and alastor alone can't kill 8 billion humans the same speed as him, he will get outmatched by volume or surprise at some point mainly counting there are 8 billion humans against him, thousands of nuclear bombs, he can't deal with all that shit, especially counting his stamina isn't infinite and his range is smaller than humanity's range, and if he could spam the incorporeal shadow infinitely forever wouldn't he had done that in the fights he lost ?

 

[Mythic381]

they are BLOODLUSTED dude, if its suicide it doesn't matter

Bloodlusted doesn't mean they've got below-average intelligence. No one would logically do that.

WHOLE 8 billion humans are ABSOLUTELY determined to kill the entire crew,

I don't think you realize what "8 billion humans" are. Are you expecting children and babies to literally fight? Not everyone is just going to be fighting, nor does most of them even have the capabilities to do that.

Then alastor is dealing with potentially thousands of hundreds of projectiles with his speed coming at him, and some are lethal even to him while the other will hurt,

Alastor isn't stupid to just fight all these numbers at once.

and alastor alone can't kill 8 billion humans the same speed as him

I didn't say he did? That doesn't mean they'll be able to kill him at once either. It would be impossible for all of humanity to even gang up on him at once. At best he'd be dealing with thousands at one place. This may be fictional, but y'all somehow forget to use basic logic.

thousands of nuclear bombs

They're bloodlusted, not stupid or outright suicidal to gang up on him and bomb themselves.

and if he could spam the incorporeal shadow infinitely forever wouldn't he had done that in the fights he lost ?

Buddy has never heard of non-physical interaction.

 

[Greg_the_master_of_gods]

i didn't said alastor is going to die in 3 minutes or something like that, but there is about 70% of humanity who are adults or young adults, so i think its still a large number, and alastor has to kill about all of them to win, not only that, but they CAN use nukes if they get him in any isolated position, i don't know where he would theoretically spawn, so if it is a isolated position he gets immediately bombed, anyways, i think the staff loses but it might last a long time

Bloodlusted doesn't mean they've got below-average intelligence. No one would logically do that.

I don't think you realize what "8 billion humans" are. Are you expecting children and babies to literally fight? Not everyone is just going to be fighting, nor does most of them even have the capabilities to do that.

Alastor isn't stupid to just fight all these numbers at once.

I didn't say he did? That doesn't mean they'll be able to kill him at once either. It would be impossible for all of humanity to even gang up on him at once. At best he'd be dealing with thousands at one place. This may be fictional, but y'all somehow forget to use basic logic.

They're bloodlusted, not stupid or outright suicidal to gang up on him and bomb themselves.

Buddy has never heard of non-physical interaction.

 

[Mythic381]

but there is about 70% of humanity who are adults or young adults,

Doesn't mean they'd want to fight a literal demon. Not everyone is just some fearless sigma male chad, and even if they would want to fight him, there's just the simple chance people will suffocate each other from the amounts of people.

So, since Hazbin Hotel had crap ton of revisions and Humanity can't beat all of them in a fair fight - they'll fight only it's staff

Actually Apple, can you specify where will the fight start, like in which country/city?

alastor has to kill about all of them to win

No he doesn't? That's not how a fight works. Alastor can BFR/banish them away.

 

[Greg_the_master_of_gods]

Doesn't mean they'd want to fight a literal demon. Not everyone is just some fearless sigma male chad, and even if they would want to fight him, there's just the simple chance people will suffocate each other from the amounts of people.

Actually Apple, can you specify where will the fight start, like in which country/city?

No he doesn't? That's not how a fight works. Alastor can BFR/banish them away.

they are BLOODLUSTED, let me give you the DEFINITION OF BLOODLUSTED on this place
"Bloodlust refers to a state where a character is fighting without any inhibitions, and cares about nothing other than defeating the enemy."
so YES, they WOULD become the "fearless sigma male chad" you think they wouldn't, not ONLY THAT, but this means the kids ARE going to fight if they PHYSICALLY CAN even if they fear alastor for their dear life, for last, that means they ALSO would nuke his ass because they don't CARE for anything, even if it is suicide after and after the battle humanity crumbles to the greatest crisis that ever happened, they WILL use because they stopped caring for anything just to kill alastor and the staff (the rest of the staff doesn't matter at this point but it is good to mention they exist)

Bloodlust

Bloodlust refers to a state where a character is fighting without any inhibitions, and cares about nothing other than defeating the enemy. Bloodlusted characters fear nothing, and won't hesitate taking injures if it leads to a higher probability of winning a battle. A bloodlusted character will...

vsbattles.fandom.com

here is the link of the definition before you ask or try to use the argument that humanity turns completely stupid because of it

 

[AppleMaker]

Actually Apple, can you specify where will the fight start, like in which country/city?

I assume SBA (New York, Central Park), so that staff would have a better chance and humanity needs to came up with some form of strategy to lure them out of it

 

[Greg_the_master_of_gods]

I assume SBA (New York, Central Park), so that staff would have a better chance and humanity needs to came up with some form of strategy to lure them out of it

Doesn't matter anymore tho, the bloodlust thing makes so humans WILL absolutely nuke them until there is no trace of the staff on the crater, humanity wins this because of bloodlust

 

[Mythic381]

so YES, they WOULD become the "fearless sigma male chad" you think they wouldn't, not ONLY THAT, but this means the kids ARE going to fight if they PHYSICALLY CAN even if they fear alastor for their dear life, for last

That's just going under the assumption children and babies would somehow be able to reach him? (Ignoring the illogicality of how that would even work.) They wouldn't be able to physically attack him when the guy can spam his minions.

that means they ALSO would nuke his ass because they don't CARE for anything, even if it is suicide after and after the battle humanity crumbles to the greatest crisis that ever happened, they WILL use because they stopped caring for anything just to kill alastor and the staff (the rest of the staff doesn't matter at this point but it is good to mention they exist)

We're forgetting a very important note:

Hazbin Staff have 3 days of prep time

Alastor isn't dumb. Yes he'd be bloodlusted during the fight, but obviously he's not stupid, he was smart enough to create a shield and equip his tentacles with AWs to kill Exorcists. Alastor can use his shield against most missiles as they usually range from 9-B to 9-A, while Alastor upscales a lot, and he can still use his incorporeality to negate the nuclear weapons and go quickly to different points on Earth.

 

[Mythic381]

I do think to some extent that this matchup doesn't work

The idea of prep time and then saying they're bloodlusted makes no sense, cause even the bloodlusted page mentions:

Bloodlusted characters fear nothing, and won't hesitate taking injures if it leads to a higher probability of winning a battle.

Basically with them being bloodlusted, they could throw some of their strategies out of the window just because they want to kill people faster, which sucks when none of them except Alastor can virtually survive these attacks and do the most damage, they quite literally don't have much destructive capacity to do damage.

I also think:

Charlie is not included

Isn't really necessary, as she doesn't have a value for her base form, and she doesn't even use her full-demon form much, like not even when Pentagram City was being blown up, and it's not like she has resistance to survive nuclear weaponry or DC enough to do as much damage as Alastor.

 

[Greg_the_master_of_gods]

That's just going under the assumption children and babies would somehow be able to reach him? (Ignoring the illogicality of how that would even work.) They wouldn't be able to physically attack him when the guy can spam his minions.

We're forgetting a very important note:

Alastor isn't dumb. Yes he'd be bloodlusted during the fight, but obviously he's not stupid, he was smart enough to create a shield and equip his tentacles with AWs to kill Exorcists. Alastor can use his shield against most missiles as they usually range from 9-B to 9-A, while Alastor upscales a lot, and he can still use his incorporeality to negate the nuclear weapons and go quickly to different points on Earth.

i said the kids would FIGHT and not that the kids would somehow hit alastor, not only that, but i never used normal missiles in the conversation, i used nukes, which are at bare minimum 7-C while alastor is low 7-C, so even one is enough to kill him, and H-bombs range in low 7-B or 7-B, and even if he could, he can't use the incorporeality to negate nuclear weapons infinitely, he will get tired, his stamina is just superhuman, not infinite, and there are about 12700 nuclear bombs that can be used, you can argue he uses it to survive the first thousand, but it's 12700, his stamina is not infinite, not only that but he died in the 1930s, he doesn't know how dangerous nuclear bombs are, he just knows what MAYBE other people told him about it, and that's his limit, and considering how cocky he is, he fought with adam and adam is a one-shot to him and everyone told him that adam is stupid strong and he still got to taunting, so its a similar situation on the matter "he underestimates something that one shots him because he doesn't know that it one shots him" so probably alastor would not recognize how dangerous a nuclear bomb actually is and get disemboweled by one, so you are forgetting the fact that alastor WOULD be dumb against nukes because he has not even a idea of how dangerous they are.

 

[Greg_the_master_of_gods]

and i agree with the part that this match is not very functional, most of the staff is not necessary it could be a alastor vs humanity and it would be the same result. and the rules are kind of vague.

I do think to some extent that this matchup doesn't work

The idea of prep time and then saying they're bloodlusted makes no sense, cause even the bloodlusted page mentions:

Basically with them being bloodlusted, they could throw some of their strategies out of the window just because they want to kill people faster, which sucks when none of them except Alastor can virtually survive these attacks and do the most damage, they quite literally don't have much destructive capacity to do damage.

I also think:

Isn't really necessary, as she doesn't have a value for her base form, and she doesn't even use her full-demon form much, like not even when Pentagram City was being blown up, and it's not like she has resistance to survive nuclear weaponry or DC enough to do as much damage as Alastor.

 

[ByArrow]

i said the kids would FIGHT and not that the kids would somehow hit alastor, not only that, but i never used normal missiles in the conversation, i used nukes, which are at bare minimum 7-C while alastor is low 7-C, so even one is enough to kill him, and H-bombs range in low 7-B or 7-B, and even if he could, he can't use the incorporeality to negate nuclear weapons infinitely, he will get tired, his stamina is just superhuman, not infinite, and there are about 12700 nuclear bombs that can be used, you can argue he uses it to survive the first thousand, but it's 12700, his stamina is not infinite, not only that but he died in the 1930s, he doesn't know how dangerous nuclear bombs are, he just knows what MAYBE other people told him about it, and that's his limit, and considering how cocky he is, he fought with adam and adam is a one-shot to him and everyone told him that adam is stupid strong and he still got to taunting, so its a similar situation on the matter "he underestimates something that one shots him because he doesn't know that it one shots him" so probably alastor would not recognize how dangerous a nuclear bomb actually is and get disemboweled by one, so you are forgetting the fact that alastor WOULD be dumb against nukes because he has not even a idea of how dangerous they are.

Additionally, due to speed equalization, humanity has a speed advantage of several times over with jets and such.

 

[Greg_the_master_of_gods]

Additionally, due to speed equalization, humanity has a speed advantage of several times over with jets and such.

yeah but one-shotting alastor while he's oblivious to nuclear bombs is already enough, i don't want a administrator appearing here and saying "this is a stomp" and suddenly this whole thing is useless and humanity doesn't get the W, so lets say it is equalized to jets too so it doesn't pass that fine line.