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5-B Planet Tiersetter Tournament Round 1 Match 7: Hope Mikaelson vs sans (9-5-1) GRACE OVER

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You thought I was gonna go in order? Time to spice things up.​


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  • Via SBA, Central Park.
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  • Starting Distance will be based on SBA. In this case 1.5 kilometers due to both sharing the same range level (although the value is taken from sans)
Match Conditions

  • Speed is equalized by default, but may remain unequalized if one character can mitigate the speed gap (e.g., through passives, resistances, durability advantages, etc.).
  • Matches will use SBA unless specified otherwise.
  • Rules are subject to changes on a per-match basis to make them fairer or more interesting
  • Wincon is via incapacitation or death
  • Combatants are allowed to magically view the other previous matches in-universe, except for the initial tiersetter match (hence, this only becomes effective from the quarter-finals onwards)
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Match Rules

  • 3 days are given to both participating users to debate. Regardless of circumstances, I will decree the outcome of the match after the 3 days for the sake of the tourney's pacing. While they may/may not be added to the profiles, further votes can be given so that these matches are eligible to be added to the respective character's profiles
    • An exception can be made should the participating user notify everyone in this thread that they'd be inactive for a bit or some other situation. A further 1 day will be given for such exception
    • If you no longer have any reason or motivation to continue participating in this tournament, notify in the thread to have your combatant removed (and depending on the tourney time, a replacement can be issued)
  • Inconclusive matches are also subject to the above rule, but I will issue a coin flip to decide who advances (unless the votes have a 3-4 vote difference, at which it is completely subject to the first rule instead)
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Hope Mikaelson (59.44 ZT)sans (High 8-C: Downscales 2.42 Tons; Can ignore conventional durability with KARMA and SOUL magic)T-800
9 (@Testarossa002, @Kaydee1648, @DaReaperMan, @AlternativePrinciple, @DavidTPPM, @IDK3465, @shootingrock, @Poketmonsrs, @Arkansalter2 )5 (@Rex_Eckles, @Psychomaster35, @Nonynho, @XxZetsuxX, @Echidnacodefan2512)1 (@Thunderman101)
 
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Gets countered with mid-high regen. TK, at best, turns her into a puddle of blood

What's Sans answer to the AP gap? I'm trying to look for invulnerability or regeneration but maybe I'm not looking hard enough
 
Testarossa002 said:
What's Sans answer to the AP gap?
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Literally not even being touched. The only way to actually hit Sans is to have an attack that is too big to dodge (like an an explosion several meters in diameter) or have an attack that basically spawns inside him. If she can do either, she can win.
 
Arkansalter2 said:
Literally not even being touched. The only way to actually hit sans is to have an attack that is too big to dodge (like an an explosion several meters in diameter) or have an attack that basically spawns inside him. If she can do either, she can win.
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or just hit him till he gets tired
 
Yeah this is like, a terrible matchup for Hope. Unless she like, spawns an attack on him from the starting distance cause Sans' range is dogshit
 
DaReaperMan said:
Yeah this is like, a terrible matchup for Hope. Unless she like, spawns an attack on him from the starting distance cause Sans' range is dogshit
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can she do that? i loked at her profile at it dosent lok like it. Even if she can, would she do it in charactrer
 
Thunderman101 said:
still feel like sans teleportation and him just dodging it would be just fine
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I love how everyone acts like Sans spams TP to dodge, or that an attack spawning on him won't be an easy win cause his IA hasn't dealt with that...

The question is if she does it...
 
Arkansalter2 said:
Literally not even being touched. The only way to actually hit Sans is to have an attack that is too big to dodge (like an an explosion several meters in diameter) or have an attack that basically spawns inside him. If she can do either, she can win.
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Great
So, she can:
1. Incap him with Sleep Manipulation (doesn't travel and just happens to the target. Yes, it works against those with inorganic physiology as she put an astral being/golem to sleep)
2. Restrict his movements with body puppetry. Forces him to move the same way she does
3. Transmute him. Same as 1 as it doesn't travel. It just spawns on the target. Also works against inorganic things

Also, Sans has that wide of a range with teleportation. He has to first get close to Hope in order to TK. Meanwhile, hope has that range with magic. Meaning, she can do any of the above from that far. Aka, she gets her attack off faster than Sans
Hope FRA
 
Any proof she would start off with all this hax?

Anyways Sans can teleport her into attacks if she's too far, his TK and Gravity Manipulation makes it really hard to fight him, all his attacks would one shot her, anything short of a undodgeable attack wouldn't be enough and unlike her Sans ALWAYS goes as hard as he can at the start. A cheater.

I noticed it starts at kilometers, her range is only hundred meters. Meaning Sans will be the one who starts the fight with teleportation.
 
ShionAH said:
Any proof she would start off with all this hax?

Anyways Sans can teleport her into attacks if she's too far,
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No proof he does this to people at a range.
ShionAH said:
I noticed it starts at kilometers, her range is only hundred meters. Meaning Sans will be the one who starts the fight with teleportation.
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Shion, I want you to go to Hope's profile, copy/paste her Range section here, and then read that last key.

Because If you did read her profile and the section in question, you'd know this is last key. Which has Kilometers with Magic... That, or you're lying to make Sans' chances seem better.
 
ShionAH said:
He uses teleportation to stop Frisk from running. Why wouldn't he do the same if Frisk was already out his attack range
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He uses Teleportation to set up attacks when he's already in range. BUT if you're arguing like this, why wouldn't Hope just spawn an attack on her opponent cause of their distance from eachother?
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Yes I am Evilll I am evill I wanted to lie and manipulate you all yessss thats exactly what I wanted to doooo
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Then actually read the profile instead of skipping a section. You'd know she has three keys and you only read the second one in that case.
 
DaReaperMan said:
He uses Teleportation to set up attacks when he's already in range
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That's not even what I am referring to lol, at the end when you try to escape his fight he forcefully teleports you back. Sans isn't just gonna let someone outrange him why tf would he??
DaReaperMan said:
BUT if you're arguing like this, why wouldn't Hope just spawn an attack on her opponent cause of their distance from eachother?
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Her profile is ass I don't know her so you have to like... show me what she does in fights.
DaReaperMan said:
Then actually read the profile instead of skipping a section. You'd know she has three keys and you only read the second one in that case.
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I didn't skip shit, I didn't notice Kilometers because its right at the end because I read it fast.
 
Me seeing yet another jobber that talks, aura farms and tries h2h with low level hax being put up against Sans



Sans FRA + Sans having thought based attacks counters her control hax
 
Testarossa002 said:
Great
So, she can:
1. Incap him with Sleep Manipulation (doesn't travel and just happens to the target. Yes, it works against those with inorganic physiology as she put an astral being/golem to sleep)
2. Restrict his movements with body puppetry. Forces him to move the same way she does
3. Transmute him. Same as 1 as it doesn't travel. It just spawns on the target. Also works against inorganic things

Also, Sans has that wide of a range with teleportation. He has to first get close to Hope in order to TK. Meanwhile, hope has that range with magic. Meaning, she can do any of the above from that far. Aka, she gets her attack off faster than Sans
Hope FRA
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Can't sans still dodge while asleep?
 
Also if she prefers to fight then what's To say that you won't use a laundry a long-range attack like a fireball spell instead of in cap or smth idk
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
It does seem like she usually goes for CQC
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This was a simulation made by the dudes getting beaten up. Not the real hope
She uses hax as an opening move here, here, here and other instances across 4 seasons
Also, she's been a witch far longer than a vampire or werewolf. She's more inclined to start with ranged attacks as with all witches
I mean. even Simu hope (the quoted video) started with a magic spell
Thunderman101 said:
Also if she prefers to fight then what's To say that you won't use a laundry a long-range attack like a fireball spell instead of in cap or smth idk
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he's made of bones. She's intelligent enough to know that standard attacks wouldn't kill phase him too much
 
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Testarossa002 said:
This was a simulation made by the dudes getting beaten up. Not the real hope
She uses hax as an opening move here, here, here and other instances across 4 seasons
Also, she's been a witch far longer than a vampire or werewolf. She's more inclined to start with ranged attacks as with all witches
I mean. even Simu hope (the quoted video) started with a magic spell

he's made of bones. She's intelligent enough to know that standard attacks wouldn't kill phase him too much
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fairs, this isint really my thing so ill just wait for shion to come back
 
In this case, there's nothing to "dodge"
She either TKs him with far greater AP
Or, transmutes him
Or some other shit
Outside of her physicals, the only magical attacks that travels are the elemental ones (fire/ice/lightning etc)
Everything else just spawns on the target
Worse case scenario, she captures him with body puppetry and just compels him
 
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Testarossa002 said:
In this case, there's nothing to "dodge"
She either TKs him with far greater AP
Or, transmutes him
Or some other shit
Outside of her physicals, the only magical attacks that travels are the elemental ones (fire/ice/lightning etc)
Everything else just spawns on the target
Worse case scenario, she captures him with body puppetry and just compels him
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osent sans have tk with far greater lifting strength. Is the transmutation instant?
 
Yeah I'm heavily leaning towards Hope. It looks like they can hax gg each other basically instantly but sans is out ranged
 
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