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Punishing Gray Raven Discussion Thread (New)

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I mentioned it on the original discussion thread, plus that one has been relatively dead for awhile and has existed for years so. Per the discussion thread rules, making a new one is recommended
 
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Construct Physiology Rework

Alright, another rework and the last one on the list. Today's CRT will revolve around Construct Physiology's long awaited overhaul, I will also be separating the various physiology segments in the Punishing Virus page and making them their own physiology page, I won't be changing anything not...
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What's the argumentation holding Ishmael back from 1-B and being labeled "1-C, Possibly 1-B"?

Also what do you think of this guy's vids, calling Ishmael outer, and lee at low outer at his peak?

 
Xdsagecat said:
What's the argumentation holding Ishmael back from 1-B and being labeled "1-C, Possibly 1-B"?
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? You mean what stops her from being 1B and not possibly 1B? There's an entire old thread that extensively details this
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Also what do you think of this guy's vids, calling Ishmael outer, and lee at low outer at his peak?

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The outer stuff is just his opinion, the videos themselves are not that good
 
? You mean what stops her from being 1B and not possibly 1B? There's an entire old thread that extensively details this
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Going through the thread was a fun read. Gonna go back and read more on the scaling, as I'm somewhat new to pgr lore.

The outer stuff is just his opinion, the videos themselves are not that good
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Lmao. What were the main points of contention within the scaling, if you don't mind me asking?
 
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Going through the thread was a fun read. Gonna go back and read more on the scaling, as I'm somewhat new to pgr lore.
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Nice
Xdsagecat said:
Lmao. What were the main points of contention within the scaling, if you don't mind me asking?
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Characters blatantly not being as powerful as he put them on the list, while the entire list is not bad. Some placements are terrible, the biggest of which is Nirvatia. As he uses the popular assumption the community has that, due to her design being very "Observer" like, she is probably an Observer, this is basically proven to be completely wrong if you see the new patch PV's, as it blatantly shows Nirvatia as a young girl growing up (Observer's don't grow up). While it's not impossible for her to manipulate her avatar to do that if she was actually an Observer, it's a big stretch, as avatar creation even amongst other Observer's is a very rare thing. And Ishmael being the most talented at doing this, hasn't even ever shown the ability to manipulate her Projections age, though we'll find out in a few hours when the story drops anyways ig. Other than that...well, other placements are also wrong (such as Lucia, Vonnegut and Cradle), but...I digress, not gonna go super deep into why that's the case, especially when you're new to PGR lore that's just big spoilers. Ultimately it is the opinion of the person he received the info from, though...I disagree with it
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
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Characters blatantly not being as powerful as he put them on the list, while the entire list is not bad. Some placements are terrible, the biggest of which is Nirvatia. As he uses the popular assumption the community has that, due to her design being very "Observer" like, she is probably an Observer, this is basically proven to be completely wrong if you see the new patch PV's, as it blatantly shows Nirvatia as a young girl growing up (Observer's don't grow up). While it's not impossible for her to manipulate her avatar to do that, it's a big stretch, we'll find out in a few hours when the story drops anyways. Other than that...well, other placements are also wrong (such as Lucia, Vonnegut and Cradle), but...I digress, not gonna go super deep into why that's the case, especially when you're new to PGR lore that's just big spoilers. Ultimately it is his opinion (and the person he received the info from), though...I disagree with it
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Ah, when I said up new to pgr lore, I meant referring to time spent on researching lore for scaling...

I'm on chapter 37 lol. Been playing since June.

Observer's don't grow up
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Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't chapter 33 show Ishmael growing up on her home planet?
 
Xdsagecat said:
Ah, when I said up new to pgr lore, I meant referring to time spent on researching lore for scaling...

I'm on chapter 37 lol. Been playing since June.
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Oh, thought you meant new to the game in general
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Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't chapter 33 show Ishmael growing up on her home planet?
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Yeah, but that was before she became an Observer and back when she was still a human. Not to mention, she doesn't even grow in chapter 33, because her civilization had technology that completely halted aging. So, she actually stays exactly the same throughout the entire process
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
Oh, thought you meant new to the game in general

Yeah, but that was before she became an Observer and back when she was still a human. Not to mention, she doesn't even grow in chapter 33, because her civilization had technology that completely halted aging. So, she actually stays exactly the same throughout the entire process
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Can you even "become" an observer? Like ik you have to pass the gate to "become" one, but I get the vibe that an observer has always been an observer, even before they pass the gate.
 
Well, "They" or the Rule makers are very likely existences that have always been "Observers" however, Gatekeepers like Ishmael or Chaos are able to ascend once they pass the test that the Rule makers administer. Of course, with the whole weird infinite staircase realm that Observers have, it's hard to say. Without a doubt, some of the future Observers will probably be true ancients in that sense, while others could just be more people like Ishmael or Chaos
 
Having finished ch 40, can confirm, Nirvatia is just a human turned Construct. Not an Observer
 
How exactly does the pgr cosmology work? There's a distinction between timelines and separate universes, so Iv always thought about it as a collection of low 1 c constructs.

So skk being from a low 1c construct, Ishmael being from another(pre gate), and dominik/nemo from a third...
 
Xdsagecat said:
How exactly does the pgr cosmology work? There's a distinction between timelines and separate universes, so Iv always thought about it as a collection of low 1 c constructs.

So skk being from a low 1c construct, Ishmael being from another(pre gate), and dominik/nemo from a third...
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Other civilizations are 2A, not all of them can be L1C though because we know that not all other civilizations have a Hetero Tower. Ishmael's only had the Punisher without a mention of ever having a "higher" spatial structure (of course I'm not including however or whatever she used to become an Observer) but really they're all just 2A spacetimes for now. The larger cosmology as a whole right now, is 1C (or like 7-8D) yeah, but the civilizations themselves are just 2A rn
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
Other civilizations are 2A, not all of them can be L1C though because we know that not all other civilizations have a Hetero Tower. Ishmael's only had the Punisher without a mention of ever having a "higher" spatial structure (of course I'm not including however or whatever she used to become an Observer) but really they're all just 2A spacetimes for now. The larger cosmology as a whole right now, is 1C (or like 7-8D) yeah, but the civilizations themselves are just 2A rn
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Is the hetero tower even necessary to argue L1C? I thought just the application of the Many-Worlds Interpretation would be enough, or maybe I missed something?
 
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Really? Thought MWI indicated uncountable timelines, signifying L1C? I wonder what else is needed
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Not sure honestly, I don't really know the hard standards on MWI. Afaik not including higher dimensional stuff, only hypertimelines can grant L1C to structures/spatiotemporal constructs
 
Stuff for new version, we have a new alt universe roguelite, some minor details for Kamui's story and a dossier for the phylotree
 
There has to be more context regarding them treating time as a spatial dimension, that's why I said by itself it was not. It's good supporting evidence however
 
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Hetero Tower Upgrade Part 1/2

Introduction Hello everyone, welcome, today's thread is one that has been long overdue and something I've been putting off for almost a year due to CRT backlogs amongst other things, though in the end I'm glad it took this long. I want to start by saying special thanks to @Deonment and...
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AlipheeseXIV said:
I am, but I don't use the official PGR discord server, I'm just there for news/emotes

Neat, we def need that, what are you planning exactly?
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I'm not really sure myself. Just trying to get peoples thoughts on it first before trying anything concrete. Would need a decent amount of people with how extensive the lore is etc etc
 
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