Firstly, why is this manipulation of these things, it's more a descriptor of the nature of these things, this is moreso something used for AE (and the already present Unconventional Resistance)
The reason it's manipulation is because all Constructs can inherently manipulate their own M.I.N.D.'s, and in specific, is directly tied to their ability to do so at an even higher level in M.I.N.D. space
Secondly, along with the Unconventional Resistance, I don't actually think this (directly) qualifies as Info manip, considering the information is being actively expressed as the M.I.N.D, not that the MIND and the Information are one and the same, or something along those lines.
What I said above is primarily what qualifies that, as for the M.I.N.D. and info not being the same? I mean...
everything in the universe of PGR is composed of information, at it's birth it created
various information structures, Ishmael then goes on to state
that human consciousness is a form of information as well (as she's actively detailing how everything in the universe is, including the PV). Schulz also says the souls of machines are as well in the first scan, that is, about as blatant as it gets. Idrk what else I could possibly add to make this more clear, and if so, then I don't know how other verses can get things like this accepted for far less lol. If you want, I can send you the entire scene of her saying this or something?
And going along this line, wouldn't it also be in line to apply this to matter manip or bio manip, or everything else that Information can be expressed as? So some further clarification or scans that point out something like the M.I.N.D being directly information would be nice
Honestly? Possibly, but I figured that'd be redundant since the characters already resist matter and are immune to bio hax as cyborgs to begin with.
Feels iffy on my end because (it seems) like Constructs are human-made no? Unless the setting is one wherein humanity has lost technology or whatnot, or is it that the Constructs are technology beyond the tech of humanity at those points, it seems wrong to go Human tech < Punishing Virus < Constructs (Human tech)
Yes, Construct tech is later revealed to be technology created and introduced to the current world from a different civilization in the far future. That's why the most advanced tech is unable to detect it, but Constructs can.
This feels wrong to give them, at bare minimum least the Law part, they aren't resisting the Virus itself coming into existence or whatnot, just it's effects, similar, but less so for the information aspect, though that is more me wondering if the virus is actually rewriting their information, but I'd also recommend putting this after the feats that show the resistances to the virus if this is kept
I mean, it directly ties into the nature of the PV. As it was created
by laws of higher dimensional beings (that's detailed in the PV page), but also because of how information structures affect each other (darwinian principle stuff), it should qualify as a law simultaneously with info (especially being referred as a law of nature and inevitability as a result). As information
structures affect each other by default, this, in of itself is a law of the universe made by said higher beings.
Firstly questioning, and moreso questioning its placement here, considering the scan with the appearance segment actively calls out it applying to "weak-willed constructs", so unless Grey Raven was made of general constructs at this point, I think it may need to be moved up a tabber or two
Yeah Gray Raven was made of general Construct tech atp in time, sure, uhh but wdym by moving it up a tabber or two?
Secondly, questioning if this is actually real, though less so, because the part that apparently causes the hax is "her ghastly appearance", which seems to be similar to someone getting scared or ****** up by seeing something horrifying, rather than a proper hax aura (see the character's dodging her virus stuff in the first scan also)
Well, I've never had someone question whether the scan was legit in spite of what it says? It's just blatantly what's on the scan, so idk lol, it is a cognitive thing either way though which I don't think would change much? Other than maybe turning the madness into...idk fear? Or do you mean I should remove the aura? (Also the last part is a separate thing, not directly related to her M.I.N.D. deviation stuff, it is meant to show and portray that her mere "appearance" is not capable of causing M.I.N.D. deviation in Gray Raven, hence why she has to exert herself and utilize more of the PV) that's what the scan is meant to convey.
Reference is copied twice here, and also (if possible) would like a reason as to why we are considering them automatically above lesser Corrupted
I copy references twice when I have multiple scans from the same source (call it redundant) but it's something I like doing to be extra firm, especially in case the scans are ever removed from imgur or whatever in the future. As for why we're considering them automatically above lesser Corrupted, every Construct can casually mow down hordes of Corrupted even when massively exhausted and near death, its just something that requires no real hard arguments. Can also just blatantly see them doing
this on screen here like...they are the mobs of the verse.
The first is fine, the second doesn't seem generally applicable given the explicit callout of "newest Support-type model", which is followed up by that meaning she has the highest grade defenses against it, which really doesn't seem generally applicable.
Well the second would moreso prove she has a higher resistance to the PV's corruption, which is why I didn't add it. It has nothing to do with hacking, data and memory manip, it'd be corruption, as Lee blatantly states this is absolutely standard for Constructs. I can add that in to the justification ah crap...okay the game's in maintenance so I can't get the scan straight from the game
but here.
This is fine, want the thing for it being Atomic/Macro Quantic though
It's in the PV page, really I can't go and constantly add scans that alr exist on other explanation pages as that's incredibly redundant, though understandable why you'd be unaware of this.
The scan is here, Red Tide can manipulate the matter of
Rosetta's blasts also which are macro-quantum stuff (and just generally scales above any macro-quantum weapons) which, for note, positronic acceleration cannons and ion shocks are considered "aged" after the PV outbreak.
Don't think Greater applies here given there isn't a previous instance of Illusion Creation/Dream Manip resist on the page, also think this should be Limited since its breaking out of it rather than outright blocking the attempt in the first place, but eh
Well, this is once again something that's more shown on the PV page lol.
Ascendants can create illusions and manipulate the M.I.N.D. using the PV, Yuka is above them since she uses the Red Tide (which is superior to the PV used by Ascendants).
Uhh, it states she's in a void? I guess you're focusing on the very last sentence there?
Would be limited since it only messes with zero-point stuff/the virus
ZPE exists across the entire universe, is an energy system that can be
absorbed, manipulated and
used to strengthen oneself and even regenerate by lesser characters. I don't think it's limited
How this scales to them exactly?
Vonnegut is an Omega Frame, instead of an "omega core" though, he
has forcefields which function similarly to the omega core of Omega Frames. Not to mention, Lucia blatantly resists Cradle's concentration and
she's CC in physical form.
Not only do they have this as a resistance from the first key (though the construct got a bit crispy as a result, but that's pretty decent), why they scale to something, that 1)The feat holder's don't even resist because they got disintegrated by it before transforming back into Punishing 2)Only got through as a result of their unique physiology (being pure Punishing)
Because the Red Tide that is unaffected by the Light Wall scales far below them.
Also, I'd recommend adding in the scan about the light wall being a trillion degrees to the first key's resistance to it
Yeah sure, I must've missed that...huh...thanks for pointing that out
Would also be type 2 to a degree
Yeah, I didn't add it because I mention in the text under that they have all construct abilities and resistances minus the stuff listed, their type 2 just scales from Constructs as similarly to Construct M.I.N.D.'s, mechanoid cores are required to be functioning for the type 2.
This isn't acausality, just resistance to precog and fate. Acausality requires existing outside of a given system, not just simply being outside of a precog's future sight or what have you, unless there's further context regarding the Singularity part of the second statement
Well the singularity part refers to space-time (it's why the Hetero Tower is mentioned) and precog is time based here. Still, both Nanami and SKK are mentioned in tandem during these scenes, and
he connects space-time, ig I can add this scan as well
This seems contradictory to the very scan itself? While mechanoids (apparently) can't dream, it also just directly states the opposite; it states that the processes of awakening, and the awareness of the self that comes with it, grant one a heart/consciousness and thus the ability to dream.
They can't dream as a result of having minds, it is generally shown backwards, but yeah. The second scan just states "dream" because, if you read the first it says that mechanoids don't dream it's just their logical circuits running on minimum power as in, that is what THEY consider to be dreaming for their species. It is a context dependent thing, if you need more proof though. I can get some extra scans
Personally I'd just put these on their respective profiles rather than have it on the physiology page, but that's just personal preference
Meh, makes it easier honestly. Putting the same ability on the profiles over and over is kind of annoying.
