The statement notes how he's generally moving with much more sureness and facility, leaping into action without need for consciousness mind.
So while yes it's noted he's moving instinctively in a scene mostly about his travel skills it doesn't limit it to them and makes a more general claim about how he moves in action. So yes it absolutely is combat applicable. I'm not saying it's as impressive as Andrews (I really don't care), I'm just noting that Venom had this while Peter didn't which is a pretty big advantage for him and makes fighting Venom closer to fighting Andrew would be than just fighting an exact copy of himself.
The IR of Raimi Peter and Venom still has no combat applications based on what was said and certainly based on what we saw from the battle. Venom wasn't really using instincts to style on Raimi Peter. Like it pretty much just meant that Black Suit Spidey and Venom didn't need to calculate their jumps and web swinging stuff. I wasn't letting them beat the asses of other people and use the environment to their advantage like TASM Peter was (also keep in mind that TASM Peter had no idea what was going on, continuing to apologize to those passengers while styling on them, as this was back when his powers had just awoken)
But from what we've seen Andrew doesn't really have anything implying he can detect danger further into the future or from a further distance - if anything both of these might go to Tobey based on the train feat. The feats Tobey shows are a lot more combat applicable than the feats Andrew has.
What...? Did...did you not watch the films...? TASM Spidey's Spider-Sense is ABSOLUTELY can detect the future and from great distances away, what are are you talking about?
For agility I agree but again the difference isn't that big. Andrew's most impressive feats are purely traversal with little to no relevance to a 1v1 fight like this. And most of Andrews projectile dodges is just blatantly less impressive than Tobey dodging the pumpkin blades given the pumpkin blades are actually changing directions mid-flight while most of what Andrew dodges are things like bullets flying in a straight path. So I'd honestly say it's generous to even call Andrew more agile because majority of that agility is purely traversal.
The difference is actually insanely big. All of TASM Peter's agility feats dwarf Raimi Peter's. Also it's not purely traversal, are you sure you're remembering the scenes from the film correctly? If anything, the traversal agility feats present equal applicability to his combat style
Also, what do you mean most of the projectiles TASM Peter has to dodge are just basic ass straight projectiles?
Are we just gonna start ignoring these lightning dodges now? This shouldn't even be a talking point, TASM Peter slaughters Raimi Peter in agility any day of the week
And for h2h combat skills they're both kinda meh but the difference is, Tobey actually fought multiple people h2h, Andrew didn't. Electro was purely a long range spammer while Goblin was a stuck to a board. The closest to h2h combat he's performed was Lizard who, similarly to Venom against Tobey, kinda bumslapped him in their later fights and even in their first Andrew primarily abused his superior agility and smaller stature.
Tobey on the other hand fought PRIMARILY h2h combatants of similar size. Both Goblins and Venom were h2h combatants and even Otto was kinda h2h except with unconventional hands (lol). Even Flint was mostly fighting him h2h in most of their encounters. So Tobey has WAY more experience and skill feats in this type of combat over Andrew.
I don't think bringing up Sandman's admittedly
sloppy hand-to-hand
combat showings is really doing Raimi Peter any favours. Raimi Green Goblin's definitely a capable hand-to-hand fighter, but Sandman is relying
entirely on the
nature of his abilities and his
superhuman strength (which didn't help him in the long run). When it come to hand-to-hand, Sandman was getting
outskilled
Also saying that Lizard "bumslapped" TASM Peter is wrong...? Yeah, he has the advantage multiple times, I won't deny that, but he actually put up a fight against Connors, landing multiple blows, evading his attacks, keeping him down at points, etc. Compare that to Raimi Spidey getting maybe two licks in on Venom before Venom went on to shitstomp Raimi Peter
The comparisons aren't equal at all. Actually, I'd say that your opinions of TASM Peter ""abusing"" his agility and stature is just a point in his favour...? He's using his superhuman abilities excellently in combat as I showed in the scans above. And he's not simply relying sheer strength either, he's using his surroundings effectively, carefully evading and striking back when it's ideal to do so, and even utilizing stealth attacks, grapples, and attacks that leave foes incapacitated. Raimi Peter's actual showings and favouring of hand-to-hand combat doesn't necessarily make him a better fighter, it just shows he's got a preference for boxing up opponents. If anything, I'd say TASM Peter
shows off
more technique and
efficiency when it comes to taking on foes in melee combat (styling on a highly trained, heavily armed squad of police officers while keeping his face hidden and doing his best not to seriously hurt these guys given George Stacy's involvement [early into his vigilante career] is a lot more impressive than Raimi Spidey taking out some street goons who jumped cop protecting an armed truck).
Also worth noting he knows the value of the #LSMETA in close-quarters combat more so than Raimi Peter. So no, this doesn't give Raimi Spidey more skill feats, and his experience certainly isn't making him pull some crazy skill cliffing over bro either
It doesn't help him but what my point was is that it doesn't hell Andrew whatsoever. Andrew doesn't have none of Tobeys memories, nor an AP advantage, nor Spider-Sense negation. All of which are crucial in a fight.
- That AP difference between Raimi and TASM here is by 1.81 times, so it's hardly crucial to this fight
- Spider-Sense negation ain't needed since TASM Spidey's senses are easily better and he can outright just perform good enough to make Raimi Spidey's Spider-Sense a non-issue
- He doesn't need Raimi Peter's memories when he's just...fighting better than Raimi Peter and generally has more favourable abilities by comparison
he only thing it DOES do is give Tobey additional h2h combat experience and experience against LS disadvantages from characters similar to himself. Even if he couldn't beat Venom specifically it IS additional experience that he can draw from which Something Andrew doesn't even remotely have.
Experience of getting his ass beat LMAO
If anything, Raimi Peter's gonna be even more surprised at how TASM Peter's moving better than Venom
But I think you're kinda underestimating Tobeys skills and Spider-Sense
Raimi Peter's got skills and a good Spider-Sense, but it's really not as effective as you make it out to be for the reasons I've gone over. His experience tends to be overblown. Experience is at its most relevant when there's substance to said experience. Raimi Peter's much more used to taking on muggers and robbers than he is supervillains. That's not to say that he can't fight supervillains obviously, we've seen him do it enough times. But that isn't what he's dealing with on a day to day basis. When you strictly compare what we see from both Raimi Peter and TASM Peter's performances, TASM Peter's are far more favourable and the context of Raimi peter having dealt with "more villains" isn't actually very strong when we see the context
