The Red Ranger Becomes an Adventurer in Another World(AKA Red Ranger Isekai) Discussion Thread

[MysticBrawler]

Isekai fans and Sentai/Kamen Rider fans UNITE!!!

 

[MysticBrawler]

BUMP!!!

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

KIZUNA BEAST!

 

[TsukasayaEmmaDCD]

Bondkiller has Arrived!!!

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

3-A UES Btw

 

[MysticBrawler]

According to Red's in-universe stats his punching and kicking power is 20 tons and 50 tons respectively. So that means that Red and anyone who scales to him will be in the 8-B tier, right?

 

[TsukasayaEmmaDCD]

If we can't find any actual in series feats. With Kizuna red. Than yea

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Spoiler: Manga

got to say the mage staff demon is pretty broken with her bullshit space-time bfr hax

interested to see the elf girl fight with the demon, considering she just went super form, wonder if she will go ultimate form with her device.

 

[MysticBrawler]

I finished the Red Ranger Isekai verse page. Speed and Attack Potency already have usable values thanks to Red's stats, so all we need now is something for Lifting Strength.

 

[TsukasayaEmmaDCD]

Honestly, id rather we have calcs instead of using the stats page

 

[MysticBrawler]

Honestly, id rather we have calcs instead of using the stats page

I don't see any reason to dismiss them considering they 1)Came from an in-universe measuring tool, 2) They don't use a vague numbering system like what's common for most RPG verses, 3) It's supported by the story, since as Red said himself the high-level monsters of the fantasy world is only equivalent to the fodder members of his world's evil organization

 

[TsukasayaEmmaDCD]

Its a reference to tv asahi stats that are notariously inconsistant, and we should only use them if we dont have any calcs.

 

[Deidalius]

Yidhra best girl.

 

[MysticBrawler]

Spoiler: Yihdra's new outfit

Would Yihdra's Kizuna Magus form physically scale to Red?

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

According to Red's in-universe stats his punching and kicking power is 20 tons and 50 tons respectively. So that means that Red and anyone who scales to him will be in the 8-B tier, right?

The destruction of the enemy base in the first chapter could perfectly be 8-A to 7-B

Kizuna Kaiser has statements of destroying cities with ease

And Lowji weapon was used to defeat the demon queen which should have feats, I am anime only so no idea

 

[MysticBrawler]

The destruction of the enemy base in the first chapter could perfectly be 8-A to 7-B

Kizuna Kaiser has statements of destroying cities with ease

And Lowji weapon was used to defeat the demon queen which should have feats, I am anime only so no idea

Hmm so I guess it's safe to say that the characters are around tier 8 while Kizuna Kaiser would be around Tier 7 then? Cause I'd say the Kizuna Kaiser slicing the giant Loulugart would at the very least be a 7-C feat

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Spoiler: Yihdra's new outfit

Would Yihdra's Kizuna Magus form physically scale to Red?

Spoiler: Spoiler

Probably not.

 

[MysticBrawler]

Thanks to the Reference for Common Feats page I was able to figure out Kizuna Kaiser's Lifting Strength (Class K) and Maximum Flight Speed (High Hypersonic) now all I need is it's AP then I can finally finish making Red's profile.

 

[MysticBrawler]

I finished Red's profile.

 

[MysticBrawler]

I finished Lowji's profile

 

[MysticBrawler]

Red Ranger becomes an Adventurer in Another World Verse Calc Help

I added this verse awhile ago but unfortunately I stopped making progress due to lacking some much needed calcs. So I would like to ask some help with calculating the following feats: Attack Potency- Kizuna Kaiser cuts a giant monster head Raniya's pyramid kick Kizuna Red: Burning Blood's...

vsbattles.com

I was gonna wait for season 2 to come out before I resumed working on this verse, but it doesn't seem like that will be happening anytime soon.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Don't use the official stats given for the characters for the AP, what they state don't line up with the feats they're able to do within the series canon proper. Who knows, you might get higher AP from calcing an actual feat. That's how we handle our kamen rider and super sentai stats (for the low tier ones at least). Travel speed and some lifting strength statements are fine, but AP/Dura stuff is best taken from calcs.

 

[MysticBrawler]

Don't use the official stats given for the characters for the AP, what they state don't line up with the feats they're able to do within the series canon proper. Who knows, you might get higher AP from calcing an actual feat. That's how we handle our kamen rider and super sentai stats (for the low tier ones at least). Travel speed and some lifting strength statements are fine, but AP/Dura stuff is best taken from calcs.

Well unfortunately I'm not a calc guy, and none of the human characters have had any calcs for themselves for awhile now so these stats were all I had to work with. With that said, I don't see what's the problem with using these stats when nothing in the story really contradicts them.

 

[Shadowslash125]

With that said, I don't see what's the problem with using these stats when nothing in the story really contradicts them.

I mean, they are known to be wildly inaccurate to how they are applied. We have cases where an unrelated rider is far stronger than the main rider's final form just becase the official stats have an extra 0 in it. Friendly advice, but if you're going down that road, then so be it.
EDIT: This is fine if there's no feat that insinuates their AP but I think this verse would have that at the bare minimum tho ngl

 

[MysticBrawler]

I mean, they are known to be wildly inaccurate to how they are applied. We have cases where an unrelated rider is far stronger than the main rider's final form just becase the official stats have an extra 0 in it. Friendly advice, but if you're going down that road, then so be it.
EDIT: This is fine if there's no feat that insinuates their AP but I think this verse would have that at the bare minimum tho ngl

Just so you know one of the best feats the humans/humanoid characters has displayed in this verse is this:

Unfortunately I've been told that there is no way to get the KE for this feat, however even without a calc it would still at bare minimum be around 8-C due to punching through and blowing away several trees(including 1 tree that seems to be significantly larger than the rest).

 

[Shadowslash125]

I guess if there's no other way for calcs, then a downscaling from an actual feat isn't bad either. All I'm saying is that the official stats should be a last resort.

 

[NIK_FARIS]

Right, I forgot we actually have general discussion thread for this verse.

Anyway, yeah, the current rating of 8-B can’t actually be used since those 20 ton actually mean force rather than ton tnt. So, I will try find some good feats and get it calculate.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

anyone calaced the demon queen messing with the planet, decent feats there, probably tier 6 that red would scale to from harming her.

 

[NIK_FARIS]

anyone calaced the demon queen messing with the planet, decent feats there, probably tier 6 that red would scale to from harming her.

About that...

Well, they survive and tank the attack so I guess At most they scale to half of that.

 

[MysticBrawler]

Right, I forgot we actually have general discussion thread for this verse.

Anyway, yeah, the current rating of 8-B can’t actually be used since those 20 ton actually mean force rather than ton tnt. So, I will try find some good feats and get it calculate.

Well that's unfortunate. Though one could argue that it does refer to TNT since those that he defeat usually end up exploding.

 

[MysticBrawler]

About that...

Well, they survive and tank the attack so I guess At most they scale to half of that.

So this would only scale to their durability then?

 

[NIK_FARIS]

So this would only scale to their durability then?

yes but at the same time it still lead to Ap scaling.

Ultima Lowji tank Idea’s attack - Domad can harm Ultima Lowji - Ultima can harm Domad - Elemental Kizuna can fight Domad on some level as well as fighting Demon Queen Idea Perfect Form

 

[MysticBrawler]

yes but at the same time it still lead to Ap scaling.

Ultima Lowji tank Idea’s attack - Domad can harm Ultima Lowji - Ultima can harm Domad - Elemental Kizuna can fight Domad on some level as well as fighting Demon Queen Idea Perfect Form

Gutsnova allows Lowji to copy his opponents stats so it's possible that Ultima Lowji just copied Idea's stats in order to withstand her attack. With that said, Domad being able to harm Ultima Lowji could simply be explained by Lowji at the time copying Domad's stats which in turn allowed them to harm each other. So I don't think this can be chainscaled back to Domad or used as an AP justification. for Kizuna Kaiser.

 

[NIK_FARIS]

Gutsnova allows Lowji to copy his opponents stats so it's possible that Ultima Lowji just copied Idea's stats in order to withstand her attack. With that said, Domad being able to harm Ultima Lowji could simply be explained by Lowji at the time copying Domad's stats which in turn allowed them to harm each other. So I don't think this can be chainscaled back to Domad or used as an AP justification. for Kizuna Kaiser.

Which still would make him scale though. At the very least the original Titan where lowji get power from outright fight her perfect form and seal her. Domad is stated to be an arch rival to him and actually have kill a lot of other Titans/Giants. That and Domad actually able to harm and even beat Elemental Kizuna Master during their first meet and during the whole demon Queen arc where Elemental Kizuna master tried to go and kill the demon queen, Domad able to stop and push them away and he would have if not for Ultimail Form of Lowji.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Me, an anime only:

Yes

 

[MysticBrawler]

Which still would make him scale though. At the very least the original Titan where lowji get power from outright fight her perfect form and seal her. Domad is stated to be an arch rival to him and actually have kill a lot of other Titans/Giants.

I don't think the Demon Queen's Aether Earth spell would physically scale to her so you wouldn't really need 5-A AP in order to damage her. And it's made clear that Domad is significantly stronger than he was 1000 years ago due to absorbing a thousand years worth of negative mana so none of the giants in the past would scale to him in any way besides Lanars, and it's made clear that the reason Lanars can rival him is due to the stat copying ability of his Ultimail.

That and Domad actually able to harm and even beat Elemental Kizuna Master during their first meet and during the whole demon Queen arc where Elemental Kizuna master tried to go and kill the demon queen, Domad able to stop and push them away and he would have if not for Ultimail Form of Lowji.

That's actually the reason why I don't think Kizuna Kaiser/Elemental Kizuna Master should scale here as Domad managed to destroy it with 1 attack, and it's made clear that nothing with less mana than him would be able to damage him which in this case would also include the Kizuna Kaiser/Elemental Kizuna Master. And Red was also able to push back Domad with his Kizuna Black form and yet he still couldn't damage the latter so having comparable LS can't be used as a justification for having comparable AP

 

[NIK_FARIS]

I don't think the Demon Queen's Aether Earth spell would physically scale to her so you wouldn't really need 5-A AP in order to damage her. And it's made clear that Domad is significantly stronger than he was 1000 years ago due to absorbing a thousand years worth of negative mana so none of the giants in the past would scale to him in any way besides Lanars, and it's made clear that the reason Lanars can rival him is due to the stat copying ability of his Ultimail.

Yeah. I will conceit to that point. Though, to be more precise, the reason for that is because mana isn’t UES so she would just be 5-A via Aether Earth. I intent to make Kizuna Energy as UES later when I have time. Though, even if not for that, he still would have Up to 5-A via Ultimail Gutsnova though.. looking at it again that would be weird because…. His whole gimmick is copying stats and not technique and Demon Queen physical capabilities is lower than Domad and infact the only thing arguable high would be mana which as I said before don’t actually directly scale to strength just technique. And yes, if Lowji Ultimail form able to tank the Aether Earth attack after copying that stats from new form of Queen which is weaker than her previous possession, it in the end would lead to the chain scaling to others.

That's actually the reason why I don't think Kizuna Kaiser/Elemental Kizuna Master should scale here as Domad managed to destroy it with 1 attack, and it's made clear that nothing with less mana than him would be able to damage him which in this case would also include the Kizuna Kaiser/Elemental Kizuna Master. And Red was also able to push back Domad with his Kizuna Black form and yet he still couldn't damage the latter so having comparable LS can't be used as a justification for having comparable AP

His Invulnerability only make it so no attack able to harm in and not that he able to bypass defense of his opponent. The fact that it could completely destroy the Elemental Kizuna Master with Full Passengers (Full Power) with one attack already make him scale. Remember that power of Maximum Kizuna Kaizer or Elemental Kizuna Master is depend on the amount of passenger/seat where the full seat would be 5 which has been reiterate several times since ch 1.

And in ch 49, the there only 3 pilots in the Elemental Kizuna Master, that is Red, Yihdra and Teltina which would mean that its strength is only about 60% by that point.

well, as I said before, would only matter if we have UES which I will make for the verse.

 

[MysticBrawler]

Yeah. I will conceit to that point. Though, to be more precise, the reason for that is because mana isn’t UES so she would just be 5-A via Aether Earth. I intent to make Kizuna Energy as UES later when I have time. Though, even if not for that, he still would have Up to 5-A via Ultimail Gutsnova though.. looking at it again that would be weird because…. His whole gimmick is copying stats and not technique and Demon Queen physical capabilities is lower than Domad and infact the only thing arguable high would be mana which as I said before don’t actually directly scale to strength just technique. And yes, if Lowji Ultimail form able to tank the Aether Earth attack after copying that stats from new form of Queen which is weaker than her previous possession, it in the end would lead to the chain scaling to others.

Well even if Bond Energy did become a UES it wouldn't really affect the Demon Queen as she doesn't use Bond Energy, so she still wouldn't physically scale to her Aether Earth spell. It could simply be that rather than copying the stats of the Demon Queen's host body he instead copied the stats of the giant finger itself.

His Invulnerability only make it so no attack able to harm in and not that he able to bypass defense of his opponent. The fact that it could completely destroy the Elemental Kizuna Master with Full Passengers (Full Power) with one attack already make him scale. Remember that power of Maximum Kizuna Kaizer or Elemental Kizuna Master is depend on the amount of passenger/seat where the full seat would be 5 which has been reiterate several times since ch 1.

It seems that you may have misunderstood my point. I'm not saying that Domad's AP wouldn't scale, I'm saying that even if Domad did scale The Kizuna Kaiser/Elemental Kizuna Master's AP still wouldn't as the Demon Queen doesn't physically scale to her Aether Earth spell even in her giant body so them being able to harm her doesn't result in them having 5-A AP. With that said, I think the Demon Queen's Durability should be the one to scale to the Kizuna Kaiser's 6-C AP while her own AP would scale to 5-A via being able to destroy Kizuna Kaiser(that is of course assuming that it's low power output at the time didn't affect it's durability) Also Red was able to harm the Demon Queen using his Burning Blood form while she was in her giant body's base form so I think it's safe to say that only her Ultimail form would have these stats.

And in ch 49, the there only 3 pilots in the Elemental Kizuna Master, that is Red, Yihdra and Teltina which would mean that its strength is only about 60% by that point.

Well the Demon Queen only managed to destroy Kizuna Kaiser when it only had 2 people piloting(which would be 20%) it 's doubtful if she would even physically scale to the 60% Kizuna Kaiser except in her Ultimal form.

well, as I said before, would only matter if we have UES which I will make for the verse.

Nice, thanks again helping out with this verse.

 

[NIK_FARIS]

Well even if Bond Energy did become a UES it wouldn't really affect the Demon Queen as she doesn't use Bond Energy, so she still wouldn't physically scale to her Aether Earth spell. It could simply be that rather than copying the stats of the Demon Queen's host body he instead copied the stats of the giant finger itself.

I mean, Ultima Lowji copy the all stats of that current Demon Queen except technique so if Lowji could withstand that attack, this would inadvertently let her to scale as well. Unless we assume that Lowji don’t copy anyone during that moment or copy Elemental Kizuna Master which in either case won’t matter much since it still lead to some sort of scaling.

It seems that you may have misunderstood my point. I'm not saying that Domad's AP wouldn't scale, I'm saying that even if Domad did scale The Kizuna Kaiser/Elemental Kizuna Master's AP still wouldn't as the Demon Queen doesn't physically scale to her Aether Earth spell even in her giant body so them being able to harm her doesn't result in them having 5-A AP. With that said, I think the Demon Queen's Durability should be the one to scale to the Kizuna Kaiser's 6-C AP while her own AP would scale to 5-A via being able to destroy Kizuna Kaiser(that is of course assuming that it's low power output at the time didn't affect it's durability) Also Red was able to harm the Demon Queen using his Burning Blood form while she was in her giant body's base form so I think it's safe to say that only her Ultimail form would have these stats.

I won’t argue for that but…

Well the Demon Queen only managed to destroy Kizuna Kaiser when it only had 2 people piloting(which would be 20%) it 's doubtful if she would even physically scale to the 60% Kizuna Kaiser except in her Ultimal form.

That would still lead to 5-A albeit to several degree lower. Also, when did she fight Elemental Kizuna Master with 2 pilots? Didn’t she always fight them with full pilots? Or did you really mean just Kizuna Kaiser rather than Elemental Kizuna Master? I may have to check that again.

Edit: Yeah, she did destroy the Elemental Kizuna master when only Red and Yihdra piloting it which technically make her scale at least 40%. Though, her Ultimail Saturn form still fight comparably with Ulemental Kizuna Master at Full power + Worldly Bond from everyone even if she lose so… I would say her Ultimail Form scale…. But yeah, her based form on the other hand is a bit complicated considering that this Giant body is much stronger than the current body she possess (Orphanage Caretaker) which Ultima Lowji may or may not copy to withstand the Aether Earth attack.

Nice, thanks again helping out with this verse.

Sure, I always like the series even before the anime airs just that I only getting involve in it more only after the anime start airing.

 

[MysticBrawler]

I mean, Ultima Lowji copy the all stats of that current Demon Queen except technique so if Lowji could withstand that attack, this would inadvertently let her to scale as well. Unless we assume that Lowji don’t copy anyone during that moment or copy Elemental Kizuna Master which in either case won’t matter much since it still lead to some sort of scaling.

So it works either way then, that's good to know.

I won’t argue for that but…

That would still lead to 5-A albeit to several degree lower. Also, when did she fight Elemental Kizuna Master with 2 pilots? Didn’t she always fight them with full pilots? Or did you really mean just Kizuna Kaiser rather than Elemental Kizuna Master? I may have to check that again.

Edit: Yeah, she did destroy the Elemental Kizuna master when only Red and Yihdra piloting it which technically make her scale at least 40%. Though, her Ultimail Saturn form still fight comparably with Ulemental Kizuna Master at Full power + Worldly Bond from everyone even if she lose so… I would say her Ultimail Form scale…. But yeah, her based form on the other hand is a bit complicated considering that this Giant body is much stronger than the current body she possess (Orphanage Caretaker) which Ultima Lowji may or may not copy to withstand the Aether Earth attack.

Her giant body's base would scale to Kizuna Red: Burning Blood since Red managed to damage her in that form. As for her human host body n the other hand, I think we'll have to wait for more chapters to see how it goes.