I am aware of this, which is the reason his output would be lower than full power Sukuna's. This doesn't change the statement that Ryu's output is the highest among the Culling Game players.*The truth is: Full Power Sukuna's Output > 16F Sukuna's Output > Ryu's Ouput.
Some Staff votes Hella disagreed with it scaling to anyone though
I’m fine with it only scaling to like Dabura and Yuji and stuff, still means the verse gets upgraded to island level
Dawg we are not doing this again we already told you why that's not the case
. 15F Sukuna clears the verse in output other than Gojo, Shinjuku Maho, Blackhole and Perfect Sphere. (And Dabura ofc but I wasn't counting Modulo)
It should still scale to Sukuna and Gojo, the arguments against it aren't convincing at all and rely on people ignoring how CE reinforcement works and how MAHORAGA himself works.I’m fine with it only scaling to like Dabura and Yuji and stuff, still means the verse gets upgraded to island level
And don't forget Naoya!Dawg we are not doing this again we already told you why that's not the case
Naoya top 5
Naoya (Even Curse) not even top 15 inv btw, bum.
You forgot a "0" after the 5
"Projection Sorcery makes blitzing significantly easier than raw speed. At Mach 3 (1029 m/s), using 24 frames per second means Naoya’s position effectively "updates" once every ~43 meters from someone's perspective. Reacting to that is fundamentally different from reacting to conventional movement speed, it is borderline impossible without precognition."
Naoya (Even Curse) not even top 15 inv btw, bum.
I don’t think it should scale to them really. Sukuna was just the baseline assumption Jujutsu society used as a baseline for Dabura’s strength without really knowing anything else about him. What Dabura shows beyond that isn’t an upscale for Sukuna but more Dabura going beyond what Jujutsu society first assumed his strength was.
Your fight is with Gege, 16F Sukuna is a Culling Game player and Ryu has the highest output among all Culling Game players. Supported by 16F Sukuna being unable to lethally injure Ryu without Cleave.
And? Say one issue with it rn?
Off the top of my head and not thinking much about it
First off, saying the Jujutsu Society didn't know anything else yet gave him Dabura's threat level is just assuming they are stupid for no reason? Why would they do that? You know chapter 2 already clarifies that the aliens have been on USA for some time before going to Japan right? You think ZERO Jujutsu Society member saw Dabura even once and were unable to measure his strength in some way? You actually think the Jujutsu Society would give someone the sukuna level threat sign out of aura????? And second off, regardless if you think they are unreliable for 0 reason, Yuji and Tengen/Narrator confirm their statements as true in the promo guides that are narrating what happened? This is in the OP of said thread, alongside the entire narrative that also supports that conclusion. Why would Yuji and Tengen say that if they (Jujutsu Society) were wrong? And The fact you think Mr.Yuji "Latent potential equal to Sukuna" Itadori gapped Sukuna so much that they arent even comparable (regardless if you think he's stronger or not) is pure vibe-scaling, 0 justification. Yuji says he could handle Dabura even after the light-speed kick by the way and the entire fight of Dabura VS Mahoraga got recorded by Ui Ui's crows just like Sukuna VS Gojo did and there's 0 showing of anything changing in his threat level with the Mahoraga that fought Sukuna and Gojo being straight up compared as the same that fought Dabura. The fact you think no one would point out how Dabura and Mahorga were thousands of times stronger than the previous fight is utterly insane to me. Or Yuji just being in confident in the same way... please let's just use common sense and think about what Gege meant.
I didn't compare Mahoraga to anything, I said people don't get how Mahoraga works because they think Dabura doing more damage with something Mahoraga has not adapted to means he got boosted, that's why I also mentioned CE reinforcement. It's the same type of people that if Chapter 223 was released today would try to say Sukuna scales to Hollow Purple cause he was able to stop it via reinforcing his arms despite Holow Purple being AT LEAST over 2.5x stronger than Gojo and Sukuna himself lol (via being stronger than Black Flash) or the fact that Mahoraga who was blocking black flashes from Gojo got vaporized (even the sword that hurt and blocked gojo's BF) by the same hollow purple that didn't vaporize Sukuna and he survived. (SPOILER: Because he hadn't adapted to it and Mahoraga's durability isnt that linear)
Everyone already talked to you about this man, seriously, it's literally not supported at all and just straight up contradicted by 10% Output Sukuna still putting BTA on Awakened Maki and 1, Not being lethally injured by Dismantles doesn't support you having higher output than Sukuna, both Unawakened Yuji and Shinjuku Yuta were durable enough to not be lethally injured yet a EVEN WEAKER Sukuna than the one they took dismantles from was still superior to them in output.
No issue, besides you listing in top 15 some characters that would def struggle immensely with Curseya, if your description of PS is correct
Because they can still feel the aura and presence of a character and assign a threat level based on that. Like how Jogo could immediately recognize the danger when he was in Sukuna’s presence.
Yes because it was literally established in chapter 2 that they didn’t know anything about the aliens or even spoke to them before since they were shocked by the fact that they could speak Japanese and even questioned if they spoke English in the US. Why would they question that if they were already there with them?
Yes. You can literally feel the danger and threat level someone imposes based on aura. This is an established fact of JJK.
Promotional videos don’t really work as strong evidence and some of the statements don’t even aid in the claim. Like one of them is just Yuji saying “Jujutsu high classified Dabura as a Sukuna-level threat” which goes back to what I previously said about Jujutsu higher ups using Sukuna as their baseline assumption for Dabura’s strength.
Because they’re hiding Dabura’s true capabilities from the audience but still want to build hype towards his character.
Yuji can be however much stronger than Sukuna as he likes, it’s not contradictory. It’s been decades since the main series, Yuji saying he can handle Dabura is justification in of itself and his casual dismantle dwarfed literally anything Sukuna was shown to do so again it doesn’t contradict anything.
Ui Ui’s crows don’t prove they’re on the same level since we don’t see what Ui Ui actually managed to record and there was no comparison between the Mahoraga Gojo fought and the one Dabura fought. A civilian spectator was just commenting on the fact that they previously thought Mahoraga was dead but has no suddenly shown up again.
Dabura’s done more damage even to an equivalently adapted Mahoraga than Sukuna as well. A casual attack from Mahoraga completely vaporized the whole top half of a Mahoraga that had already gone through 2 spins of adaptation, and 2 spins of adaptation was enough for Mahoraga to withstand 15f Sukuna’s Malevolent Shrine.
Depending on which Yuji we're talking about, i think this is incorrect
Damage slander is always appreciated tho
Naw damage my goat fr
Good thing that shit is in small letter
explains alot /j
All that is needed is to prove that Dabura's stats/output ~ Sukuna's, which we have enough statements for, we do not need to decide who would win 1v1
"feels the aura"
That was the Japanese government. Not the Jujutsu Society/Higher Ups. This is just a lie
And you think Yuji wouldn't correct them? The Yuji that has been able to tell people's strength since Shibuya?
Ah yes, TENGEN, decided to LIE to the audience, for no reason. Gege decided to build hype towards the character by saying hes equal to sukuna instead of just saying hes stronger which would build more hype yes yes. Man, what.
Except it is absurd to claim that since his latent potential just grew through thousands of times just because... he got old.
Re-read the point, "there's 0 showing of anything changing in his threat level" and they would indeed realise if Mahoraga was thousands of times stronger than before in Shinjuku in the same way that normal humans realised Gojo's output level via recordings aswell. And why would Ui Ui stop recording at any point...? We see that the intent is that he recorded everything and was even smiling at it with Usami even saying he just records whatever he wants at this point.
That is indeed not how it works, see, this is what I mean by no one actually read how Mahoraga works.
This is irrelevant for the thread by the way since the thread is simply saying Gojo and Sukuna scale to Dabura in durability. They don't scale to the light-speed kick itself in any way from what we know. No one is denying that you can say the light speed kick > Gojokuna. It's just that Dabura's durability is relative to them since his CT does not increase his durability, so the knowledge of techniques is pointless. Also... tengen/narrator knew about his techniques even before he accelerated... still said hes a Sukuna level threat. I want you to please justify why would the narrator just lie? The whole "to build hype" doesn't work cause saying he's stronger would just.. build more hype? lol
You mean the guy who thinks Yuta can kill 15F sukuna?And you think Yuji wouldn't correct them? The Yuji that has been able to tell people's strength since Shibuya?
Except what are they comparing and measuring Sukuna’s level of strength to? What show of power has Dabura given Jujutsu high to provide them an accurate read on his capabilities? They can only aura scale because that’s all they have to go off of.
No that was Jujutsu Society. Usami is literally a sorcerer and jujutsu society and the government are linked now in the time of the Modulo. What lie lmao.
Yes because Yuji has literally been staying away from Jujutsu society and even specifically didn’t give them advice he knew would happen lol.
You’re talking about promotional material to build hype towards the audience. Yes that’s exactly what that’s for. Gege also tried to build hype towards Yuta by saying he could handle 15f Sukuna. I guess YUJI decided to LIE to the audience for NO REASON too huh?
An appeal to incredulity isn’t an argument, it’s a fallacy. Yuji training for decades is reasonable enough explanation for how he got so strong regardless of if you agree with it or not.
Uh huh now show me Sukuna killing any grade curses whatsoever from several many kilometers away. Let alone however god knows how many cursed spirits Yuji must’ve annihilated to make a “dust cloud” that big.
Dabura’s light speed kick is a showing in of itself that directly changes his threat level. Reread what I’m saying. Also literally the person watching that recording was shocked by the claim of why Gojo could do. An it’s not about Ui-Ui stopping to record but rather him may be being unable to record parts of the fight like Dabura’s relativistic speeds for example as that could be far to fast for him to catch. You have no idea because we don’t see Ui UI’s video so we can’t say there’s an accurate showing of the fight.
Literally nothing you said here has anything to do with what I said in the section you quoted of me. Reread what I said, you’re arguing with ghosts right now.
But Mahoraga’s value to one shot is dependent on which Mahoraga we’re talking about as well. For example, if an attack with 70 outputs is enough to one shot Megumi’s Mahoraga, that does not mean it’s enough to one shot Sukuna’s Mahoraga in return.
Dabura’s durability and overall stats DO change. We directly witness this in fact with Dabura breaking Mahoraga’s sword that was just cutting him with the palm of his hand.
Yeah and I’m saying they don’t scale to him there either. Dabura applying his CT to himself has a direct impact on his stats as well as his own warrior mentality pushing him into an awakened state.
No they wouldn’t actually because again the light speed kick is Dabura specifically applying himself in order to reach the realm of the warriors which is something he hadn’t done before. It wouldn’t be considered until Dabura actually developed that warrior mentality. Also that’s promotional material not direct manga evidence.
I assume OP was referring to the fact that Yuka Maho was likely boosted by Death Binding Vow, thus making it much stronger than usual.
I wonder, whether Yuji here is victim of retcon. If you based analysis on Gojo performance against Special grades (he is much stronger, but he is clearly not several tiers and blitz above them), you would def think that Yuta has a chance against 15F
These are my thoughts
In Yuji's body CG Yuta might be able to pull it off, but i'd give the victory to Sukuna 70%
It’s about scaling their durability to Dabura’s which then chain scale to their AP since they can trade blows with each other.
There is no conceivable way for Yuta to be able to beat Sukuna, Yuji’s body or not.
don't forget sukuna just blitzes like he did to ryu, who should be physically better than yuta
I think they’re saying if Sukuna didn’t get a random buff.
*Sukuna actually started trying a little more
Ryu has the highest output of all cg players. He’s the only sorcerer that output stays the same whether he’s using his CT or not. His reinforcement output should be higher than Sukuna’s. Sukuna somehow managed to blitz him.
