Ben 10: Universe downgrade

[Reiner04]

This is pretty simple thread. Apparently our cosmology page says:

So Dimensions =/= Alternate Timelines in general

Each Dimension inside a timeline: Universe level+ (4-D)

Individual Timeline: Multiverse level+ (Infinite 4-D)

Timestream/Crosstime: Low Complex Multiverse level (5-D)

Hypertimeline: Complex Multiverse level (6-D)

White Void/Nothingness: At least Complex Multiverse level (6-D), likely Hyperverse level (25-D)

The Universe: At least Complex Multiverse level (6-D), likely Hyperverse level (25-D)

We know Universe and Timeline are samething and thus it is not true. In the entire Ben 10 series, Universe either refers to Timelines as mentioned by Paradox in "And then there was none":

ParadoxAmazing a universe without an Omnitrix. It boggles the mind.
No Watch Ben: Dud , this is not making me less confused.
Paradox: Fair enough. But before I can answer any questions, you're going to need to brush up on quantum mechanics and string theory.

Or all of existence (Ben 10 omniverse: A New Dawn)

So; "Dimensions =/= Alternate Timelines in general" should be changed to "Universe = Timeline =/= Dimensions in general"

As well as Universe and Timelines should be treated as same structure.

Now since Universe and Timeline are samething they should have same rating, Single Timeline/Universe shall be downgraded from 26d to 2-A since Naljians statement was made in general, it never refered to any structure or timeline.

Summary for cosmology page:
Timeline becomes equals to Universe. Annhilargh Universe is all of existence, not one of many universes in the space beyond. Space beyond will be inside Annhilargh Universe.

Now coming to other topic:

Chronosapien Timebomb Low 1-C rating should be changed to Low 1-C via spacetime hax, since it was clearly not an energy blast else nothing should have survived in the nowatch ben timeline but it did. It was some sort of spacetime hax that was designed to wipout only other timelines from existence. Entire scene can be seen here.

That's all.

Agree: @Maverick_Zero_X @DarkDragonMedeus

 

[MrTayman616]

Where is the wank?

 

[Reiner04]

Where is the wank?

@Just a Random Butler where wank?

 

[Lort15]

This is pretty simple thread. Apparently our cosmology page says:


We know it is not true. In the entire Ben 10 series, Universe either refers to Timelines as mentioned by Paradox in "And then there was none":


Or all of existence (Ben 10 omniverse: A New Dawn)

Thus it should be removed from the page.

Also, single Timeline/Universe shall be downgraded from 26d to 2-A since Naljians statement was made in general, it never refered to any structure or timeline.

Now coming to other topic:

Chronosapien Timebomb Low 1-C rating should be changed to Low 1-C via spacetime hax, since it was clearly not an energy blast else nothing should have survived in the nowatch ben timeline but it did. It was some sort of spacetime hax that was designed to wipout only other timelines from existence. Entire scene can be seen here.

That's all.

No comment on the downgrade but about Chronosapien time bomb why isn't it based on EE? I mean energy type blast EE counts for conventional AP stuff and it is energy blast wdym no

 

[GeneralSol16]

Also, single Timeline/Universe shall be downgraded from 26d to 2-A since Naljians statement was made in general, it never refered to any structure or timeline

I'm sure that the timelines were just 2-A and the entire cosmology was 26D.
Did I miss something?

Chronosapien Timebomb Low 1-C rating should be changed to Low 1-C via spacetime hax, since it was clearly not an energy blast else nothing should have survived in the nowatch ben timeline but it did. It was some sort of spacetime hax that was designed to wipout only other timelines from existence. Entire scene can be seen here.

The CTB was programmer that way according to Vilgax, it was literally just an energy blast with special / specific properties.
I don't see how that isn't AP.

 

[Lort15]

Ben 10 can't catch a break from downgrades again ahh year

 

[Hecky2222]

Agree with Lego level Ben 10

 

[Reiner04]

I'm sure that the timelines were just 2-A and the entire cosmology was 26D.
Did I miss something?

I am also surprised that Universes and Timelines are somehow different per cosmology page,

 

[KLOL506]

So what happens to Alien X? He still gonna retain 1-B?

 

[GeneralSol16]

I am also surprised that Universes and Timelines are somehow different per cosmology page,

I mean, the only thing that is different is the Annhilargh Universe, but Idk that was the case for the other type of universes.

Yeah, sure ig

 

[GeneralSol16]

So what happens to Alien X? He still gonna retain 1-B?

Yeah, he scales to the entire verse which is still 1-B.

 

[Lort15]

So what happens to Alien X? He still gonna retain 1-B?

He will be High 1-A with this yall can't see the secret upgrade Reiner is doin and agreeing to it we must stop this man from wanking the verse say no! #Nohigh1-AAXforReiner

 

[Reiner04]

No comment on the downgrade but about Chronosapien time bomb why isn't it based on EE? I mean energy type blast EE counts for conventional AP stuff and it is energy blast wdym no

I mean, its still will be enviromental destruction. Since its pretty clearly hax, otherwise all those engulfed in the energy wouldn't have survived. Chronisapien timebomb is weird man, idk how to treat it overall.

 

[Aolphl]

Oh no, Ben 10 downgrades started again

 

[Reiner04]

The CTB was programmer that way according to Vilgax, it was literally just an energy blast with special / specific properties.

I am not sure how we should treat such cases. While energy was involved we see it didn't destroyed the no watch ben timeline. Lemme ping some staff to see what they think.

@LordGriffin1000 @Firestorm808 Considering you 2 has taken part in alot of Ben 10 CRTs, do you have any opinion on Chronosapien timebomb AP?

 

[Lort15]

I mean, its still will be enviromental destruction. Since its pretty clearly hax, otherwise all those engulfed in the energy wouldn't have survived. Chronisapien timebomb is weird man, idk how to treat it overall.

I think this is selective for energy manipulation likee sure yeah it was programmed to wipe all other existence and everyone from it but it doesn't really make it any different from an energy attack if it was environmental destruction shouldn't everyone from other timeline would be deleted after their timelines are wiped out? Which is a chain reaction and Vilgax clearly stated that any ben tennyson not from this timeline will be erased

 

[Lort15]

Oh no, Ben 10 downgrades started again

Wondering which one will be worse 26-D downgrade or nuking tier 4

 

[Aolphl]

Wondering which one will be worse 26-D downgrade or nuking tier 4

Tier 4 is bum, let's axe it first, my mama @Reiner04 can handle with 26-D

 

[MrTayman616]

Tier 4 is bum, let's axe it first, my mama @Reiner04 can handle with 26-D

That is trueman.

 

[Just a Random Butler]

@Just a Random Butler where wank?

A missping? Maybe you meant to ping Kuma?

 

[Reiner04]

So what happens to Alien X? He still gonna retain 1-B?

I don't think so. But i have created another thread to deal with which tier he will be at after this.

A missping? Maybe you meant to ping Kuma?

Useless wanker

 

[Okstrike]

We know it is not true.

I'm pretty sure dimensions are treated as separate from timelines based on multiple instance that imply that a "dimension" is an interdimensional realm (eg, Dagons realm or the Null Void) that branches of with the timestream

For example, the Dimension of Bezel is where the Charms of Bezel were created, the Charms of Bezel in turn are shown to exist in both the OG future Timeline and the Prime Timeline, which wouldn't be possible if there weren't an independent Dimension of Bezel in every timeline since there's only 1 set of the Charms of Bezel

Also, single Timeline/Universe shall be downgraded from 26d to 2-A since Naljians statement was made in general, it never refered to any structure or timeline.

The space beyond the universe is shown to be completely devoid of all space and time, meaning the highest number of these dimensions must exist within the universe as spatial dimensions are bound and limited to the framework of space-time

Chronosapien Timebomb Low 1-C rating should be changed to Low 1-C via spacetime hax, since it was clearly not an energy blast else nothing should have survived in the nowatch ben timeline but it did. It was some sort of spacetime hax that was designed to wipout only other timelines from existence. Entire scene can be seen here.

Neutral on this

 

[MrTayman616]

I don't think so. But i have created another thread to deal with which tier he will be at after this.

(Though i'm curious where it leads to :d)

 

[Aolphl]

I don't think so. But i have created another thread to deal with which tier he will be at after this.

I will bomb your home

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I suppose this looks alright.

 

[Hecky2222]

(Though i'm curious where it leads to :d)

Rein trying to be his grandpa hard as always.

 

[Lort15]

Tier 4 is bum, let's axe it first, my mama @Reiner04 can handle with 26-D

Wow mommy @Reiner04 @DemonicDude

 

[DemonicDude]

Wow mommy @Reiner04 @DemonicDude

Did someone just said mommy?.
Omg a downgrade

before the eventual upgrade of course so what's the big deal.

 

[ShionAH]

I don't think so. But i have created another thread to deal with which tier he will be at after this.

****

 

[Lort15]

****

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

OP looks fine.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

****

You clicked, didn't you?

Either way, the CRT is self-evident, but I am curious to see how this will impact the rest of the scaling. If you want, I can also include myself in some "CRTs" for the verse, if you know what I mean.

 

[Reiner04]

You clicked, didn't you?

Either way, the CRT is self-evident, but I am curious to see how this will impact the rest of the scaling. If you want, I can also include myself in some "CRTs" for the verse, if you know what I mean.

"So Dimensions =/= Alternate Timelines in general" will be changed to "Timelines = Universes =/= Dimensions".

Universe will be downgraded from 26d to 2-A.

Omnitrix and Annhilargh like profiles will be affected.

 

[Reiner04]

Also this section will need a heavy rework

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ben_10_Cosmology#The_%22Universe%22/Annihilarrgh_Universe

 

[Cipher72]

I will bomb your home

I will back you up

 

[Ghengiroo115]

So I’m a little confused on what this changes. Right now for the verse:

• Timeline: 2-A
• Timestream/Cross-Time: Low 1-C
• Hypertimeline: 1-C
• Annihilarrgh Universe: 1-C, likely 1-B
• Space Beyond: 1-B

What gets affected by this?

 

[Lort15]

"So Dimensions =/= Alternate Timelines in general" will be changed to "Timelines = Universes =/= Dimensions".

Universe will be downgraded from 26d to 2-A.

Omnitrix and Annhilargh like profiles will be affected.

so CTB> Annihilarrgh what.

 

[Saqphire]

So no more 26D Ben 10???

Obvious agree

 

[Lort15]

So no more 26D Ben 10???

Obvious agree

 

[Reiner04]

So I’m a little confused on what this changes. Right now for the verse:

• Timeline: 2-A
• Timestream/Cross-Time: Low 1-C
• Hypertimeline: 1-C
• Annihilarrgh Universe: 1-C, likely 1-B
• Space Beyond: 1-B

What gets affected by this?

Timeline becomes equals to Universe. Annhilargh Universe is all of existence, not one of many universes in the space beyond. Space beyond will be inside Annhilargh Universe.